No. There were parts of plays with eight players on the strong side of the court. There was still some off the ball movement, but no passing lanes.
They just didn't look like they understood spacing at all.
Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you
As for College being important for draft status, I disagree. For guys like Blake Griffin, it hardly matters. Most guys enter college with a shot at getting their, if they develop. Those guys need two things:
1) A team with other top flight talent to practice against
2) A system that works the position.
Duke very rarely turns its 5 Star post talent into NBA material because it is a guard centric system that uses its bigs for little more than screens and boards. Teams that play inside out have better success at sending their guys up.
Boozer has been a nice surprise, but he was drafted pretty low. I don't think Randolph or Williams helps your case. Randolph was the top prospect coming out of High School and missed the draft (same thing almost happened to Josh). Williams is at best a wash, keeping his draft status but transitioning poorly.
Plenty of Duke bigs have made the league and done well for themselves. The test is whether their college experience tended to improve their draft stock and NBA performance or whether they underachieved.
Your comment was that Duke very rarely turns their front court talent into NBA material. Which just isn't true. And thanks for bringing up Josh, there's another Duke front court player in the NBA.
You are correct. I worded that poorly. I should have said that attending Duke tends to negatively impact the trajectory of 5star post talent. Josh and Randolph are the poster children of that phenomenon.
I didn't think this would be controversial. If my kid was a top post talent with a future in the league I would be wary of him attending Duke. If he was a pure shooter I might recommend the school.
As for Elton Brand, he is like Griffin. He was a man among boys, and could have gone anywhere and been drafted 1st overall. He also left early. We are talking about kids that need development to take the next step, like the Zellers.
Last edited by judicata; 11-14-2010 at 07:30 PM.
Fair enough, Coach K is certainly more adept at turning mediocre guard talent into stars at the college level.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!)
trey lyles had 30 pts 20rebs in his first high school game.
Devin Davis is getting heathly and starting to play really well.(warren has always sucked at b ball devin is starting to change that)
trey vs carmel
Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-18-2010 at 01:41 PM.
not that it matters, but that was like it 3rd game
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