Grown Man Ball
Actually I've kind of changed my mind on how Mike should be used on our club this season.
I used to think his best use would be as the top man on the 2nd unit but now I've come to believe (yes I know after only 2 games so my mind can easily change again) that he should either be with the starters or not in the regular rotation.
I don't think Mike can get his own shot anymore, if he ever really could I don't know but let's assume he could.
Mike right now is a facilitator of offense and thus he needs others around him who can score to be totally usefull. Either by being a passer or moving without the ball to draw defenders away from the shooters.
From what I've seen with him in the second unit is that the opposition focuses more on him making it so he never has an easy shot and limits his movement. Either way when no one else is scoring (other than the p.g.) Mike is not drawing people away from anyone as at best they are staying home on their man or sagging off of our shooters begging them to take a jump shot.
Mike has been very good this year about dedicating himself to helping out on the boards and while defensivly he is always going to be the weak link in the chain (now that Murphy is gone) he has been pretty decent about helping our bigs with a quick double team.
I think he works best with the starters for right now. When Rush comes back we'll have to see where he fits in then.
He had one good season. That one season isn't what we should expect from him. He's simply fallen back to earth. This is Dunleavy. Sure, he'll have a game here and there (hopefully) where he'll remind you of the Dunleavy from a couple years ago, but we shouldn't look at those and think, "He's back!" Similarly, we shouldn't look at his struggles now and hope that he will someday get it together, that someday his shots will fall at a higher rate or that someday he'll be a better defender.
The key with Dunleavy, I think, is to lower your expectations. He is as average as average gets. Even on nights when his shot is falling and he's scoring 15-20 points, he gives up a good percentage of that on the other end. The sooner O'Brien realizes this the better.
I just have no more faith in Brandon than I do in Dunleavy. To me they are the exact same player just on opposite ends of the floor. Mike can't defend and Brandon can't score. Mike can defend on occasion & Brandon can score on occasion but far more often than not neither do what they should be doing.
I would say, after two games, that our biggest needs right now is a quality starting 2 guard and a good decent backup center who can give you some offense when needed and mostly some size and rebounding.
This great passer has averaged .5 more assists than Danny, a scorer, not exactly known for his passing ability. The last 2 seasons are more in line with his career averages than his one good season.
Every indication points to his one good season being an aberration, not a sign of things to come.
The myth of Doneleavy on this board is staggering. He's just not that good of a NBA player, never has been, never will be.
Unless everyone actually believes a guy going into his 9th season is suddenly going to a different player than the previous 8 seasons, I think not.
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So, now we can institute Rushleavy for our hybrid shooting guard position?
I mean, what kind of "scoring" are you really looking for out of your 4th or 5th option? The problem in the past is that we NEEDED him to score because we didn't have as many options. With Hibbert coming into his own and the addition of Collison, Rush should thrive in his proper role. His scoring oppurtunities will come from playing off the superior offensive players surrounding him.
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I don't think anyone is saying he is that good. I think I've said multiple times that I think his best role on this team would be with the second unit. He is what he is, but everyone has to go to one extreme or the other on this board. I think he should play 18-22 mpg, and if he gets hot, maybe ride him a little longer. I'm defending him against people who say he shouldn't be in the NBA anymore and whine incessantly when he misses a shot. He's not that good, but he's not that bad either. He's somewhere inbetween the extremes, like most everything else we discuss on this board.
Great passing doesn't always lead to an assist, especially when you are not the point guard. Great passing is a pass that a player doesn't have to reach for, it is a pass that doesn't automatically put a player off balance. Watch Dunleavy when he passes, you will see what I mean.
The best example is Dunleavys pass to Granger for the buzzer beater 3 pt shot against Phoenix (was that a year or two years ago, I can't remember). NO WAY does Granger make that shot, if it were not for an absolutely perfect pass from Dun.
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I'm getting tired of this "team defense" argument. If you look at the Pacers' team defensive statistics, they are horrible, so even if Dunleavy's team defense is as strong as you say it isn't helping much.
I argee with you about Dunleavy being a good offensive facilitator for the second unit, though. I don't "hate" Dunleavy. He has some important skills. I just don't care for his defense. We need better defense much more than more scoring from the starters, which is why I see Rush being a much better choice to start. As long as Rush isn't required to create offensively he will be fine hitting from outside or when open while defending the opponent's best scoring wing. I'd actually be fine with Dunleavy continuing to play for Indiana in the future for a cheap contract (assuming he gets better over time; I'm giving the benefit of the doubt regarding his injury history), but I don't want to see him as a starting wing guarding LeBron or Kobe.
Last edited by IndyPacer; 10-30-2010 at 06:27 PM.
Dunleavy is a well-rounded offensive player. If he keeps shooting like this, he's not worth his salt, but slumps happen. I'd use Dunleavy a lot more as a shooter coming off screens, he's a bit underutilized. To me it's not as much about the minutes as it is about usage.
A good example of Dunleavy's poor defense for those who watched last game was that ballside back-cut by Henderson that leaves Dunleavy in his dust and receives a pass from the low block to a lay-up or that button-hook by Gerald Wallace in the 4th quarter (right after Dunleavy hits a mid-range jumper in the kind of play I'm saying he should be used more). Or when he didn't put a body on Gerald Wallace and that lead to a dunk.
A good example of Dunleavy's superior team defense is, in that same play that eventually lead to G. Wallace's dunk, how he doubles Diaw in the left midpost - the Pacers were being killed with shots from the outside for sending doubles there but Dunleavy (1) didn't telegraph his double; (2) attacked with the correct angle taking away the passing lane to the strongside shooter - forcing Diaw to throw a difficult pass that almost become a turnover.
Poor defender, but some stuff he does saves him from being terrible. I thought there were worse defenders on the floor for the Pacers yesterday night.
Last edited by cordobes; 10-30-2010 at 08:43 PM.