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    Default Official Rectification Thread

    This thread concerns posts that you have seen, that you know for a fact that are wrong but you see it time and time again from at least a couple of posters. This thread is not to call out anyone but to merely shine better light certain topics.

    I have seen this several times this year. (not verbatim) "IT benched Croshere for the majority of the three years that Zeke was here." Facts prove otherwise, plain and simple.

    His first year under Zeke, he played in 81 games total and started 23 games while getting 23.1 minutes per game. The one game he missed was due to a sprained left ankle against Washington. Zeke played him 81 out of a possible 81 games. 100%

    His second year under IT, he played in 76 games total and started 1 game while logging 16.9 minutes per. His drew 6 DNP_CD's (3 in a row during one stretch) during that year. Thats 76/82, which is 93%

    In the third and final year, he played in 49 games and never started a game. His missed 18 games to injury or personal reasons, and collected 15 DNP_CD's (4 in a row at one point). 49/64 possible games or %77


    As you can see Cro played in a total of 206 games out a possible 227 games or %91 . Granted Cro's minutes decreased every seaon but the Chicago/Indiana trade was a major factor of that (Foster being bumped to reserve big man). This year under Carlisle, he is playing even less MPG (.5) than his last year under Zeke. But I can see his minutes going up at anytime.

    I am not a big IT fan, never was and probally never will be. I am just stating the facts and hopefully this thread will blossom. We can only help clear up fallacies that some us have. I'm not going to go ballistic because I know that I have about 8 blunders lurking in my posts.



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    Well off the Croshere subject (but a mea culpa nonetheless); I was sure Pollard would play better. Not replace Brad's scoring but do the dirty work we needed done just as well, if not better. So far, I'm wrong. I do believe that Pollard will be useful in the playoffs but Foster has really stepped up in the regular season this year.

    I was convinced that Foster would be a monster. In fact (this should be a confession thread thing) I wrote a certain poster when they were writing for Hoopsworld at the time that I thought so (this was before I "discovered" the IS forum). Truth be told, I was about to give up on Foster as anything other than an energy guy off the bench. Guess that's why Donnie is in charge and I'm not.

    Still wish Brezec could get a few more minutes. I know the rotation is overloaded as it is with Foster, Cro, Pollard but I believe the guy will be at the very least a servicable player.

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    The word of the day is RECTIFICATION!!!

    Yeah, rectification is often painful, but trust us, it's harmless. And you'll feel a lot better once some of that bile has been removed.
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    N.Stoned, on the Croshere issue. I hope I don't take this thread off on a tangent.

    The problem I had with Isiah is how he treated Croshere and the other pacers from 7th man through 10th man is the total lack of consistancy in how they were used.

    If Croshere made a mistake he was often yanked from the lineup as were the other reserve players except AL.

    So it was not the amt of minutes it was the way Isiah jerked the bench players around that bothered me.

    I said over and over again for 3 years pick a rotation and stick to it.

    There was no reasoning behind Isiah use of the bench, none

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    And it was not just Cro Mercer was a lot better than he was used. I know Mercer is a streakey shooter but he is a very good defender and can hit the midrange with regularity.

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    I've kind of covered this before but I guess I'll do it again.

    I was wrong about Jermaine O'Neal. I'll be honest I couldn't stand him when he first came here. The first season I wrote that off as my personnal prejudice because he was traded for Dale. But by season two I just could not stand him.

    His "look at me" attitude & false toughness were just to much for me. His constant wanting of respect also drove me up a wall.

    By the time he had that embarassing incident with Detroit I had written him off for good. It had nothing to do with talent, my problem was totally with him as a person. I was certain he was all about Jermaine.

    But thanks to maturing & Isiah Thomas (yes I said Isiah Thomas) Jermaine transformed last season into a player I could tolerate & now this season I am proclaiming him on the same level as Duncan & Garnett.

    I was wrong about O'Neal.

    I was also wrong about Jeff Foster. When he came into the league I was certain that this was a player that I would just love. He rebounded & appeared to have a "take no prisoner" attitude.

    For whatever reason he changed from his rookie year on how he rebounded & even played. Instead of blossoming into the physical player I was hoping for he has become a hustle player who is athletic.

    I am not saying there is anything wrong with that btw, but I was sure he was goig to be a Jeff Ruland type player or maybe even a Bill Lambier. But it didn't work that way.


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    OK...I'll fess up too. I wsa certain that blond Pacemate on the left was after me...I tried but she hasn't caught up to me yet. Perhaps I was wrong about her lusting after me.


    OTOH re: the Pacers...I started off loving JT...rapidly moved to hating the sight of him. This year he has tried to prove me wrong...I repeat tried. Because I ain't convinced yet he's going to be THE PG we need ona championship team. Kidd, Marbury, Ford, Francis, Payton, ad infinitum eat his lunch IMPO and we are going to need better...but I'm willing to be convinced.
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    I have a confession/complaint to make. I am tired of the constant articles being written about Austin Croshere (ie: Today's Star) stating how coaches are not playing Austin in spite of his great performances.

    Mark Montieth's article today.

    "He's capable of major contributions, such as when he scored nine fourth-quarter points in Saturday's win over Boston, then scored 12 points and grabbed nine rebounds in 19 minutes in Monday's win over the Los Angeles Lakers when O'Neal was sitting out with a sprained neck."

    He and most others always fail to mention his "other" games like Tuesday;
    17 minutes-----0 points (0-5 shooting)-----3 rebounds----0 assists----0 TO's----0 fouls and average defense.

    I am not bashing Austin, I am just wondering when people are going to accept the fact that Austin is not an All-Star and probably never will be.

    He is a bench player that can, on occasion, produce but not on a consistent basis.

    Please learn to live with it. There was a lot of people that stated IT did not like Austin and therefore kept him on the bench. Guess what, Rick must not like him either.

    Sorry for the "rant" but I felt the need to express myself.

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    Something that a lot of people seem to be overlooking when saying that Rick treats him the same as Isiah is that Cro has already played in 47 games so far this year. Last year for THE ENTIRE year he only played in 49. See the difference. At this rate Cro will play in 75 games this year way way more total playing time that Isiah gave him last year.

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    I was pissed off that we let JVG go to Houston when he was available without at least firing Isiah and trying to get him.

    I was terrified when Bird was hired that he'd eventually bring in Carlisle. Although I thought the team needed more disclipline, I thought that a "jerk" like Carlisle would be the wrong guy for the job.


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    N.Stoned, on the Croshere issue. I hope I don't take this thread off on a tangent.

    The problem I had with Isiah is how he treated Croshere and the other pacers from 7th man through 10th man is the total lack of consistancy in how they were used.

    If Croshere made a mistake he was often yanked from the lineup as were the other reserve players except AL.

    So it was not the amt of minutes it was the way Isiah jerked the bench players around that bothered me.

    I said over and over again for 3 years pick a rotation and stick to it.

    There was no reasoning behind Isiah use of the bench, none
    I wasn't really focusing on the amount of minutes but rather the amount of games he played. I just have trouble believing a player that played %91 in three years is a player that was "constantly benched".
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    Something that a lot of people seem to be overlooking when saying that Rick treats him the same as Isiah is that Cro has already played in 47 games so far this year. Last year for THE ENTIRE year he only played in 49. See the difference. At this rate Cro will play in 75 games this year way way more total playing time that Isiah gave him last year.
    Don't forget that Cro missed 18 games due to injury that year under IT. Plus he's receiving less minutes per game this year that Zeke's third year.
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    The difference to me is this:

    With Isiah, Cro would seemingly randomly play Croshere, yank him if he made a mistake, and then other times would seemingly randomly not play him. There was no obvoius method to the madness. Zeke was hot and cold with Cro. It wasn't like he got a steady dose of those minutes he averaged. He either averaged a handful of minutes or he played most of the game. I don't think he really played consistantly those minutes.

    With Rick, at least we know what's going on. Cro has Al before him, and Al has JO before him. And when it comes to the Center position, if they play a big team, Carlisle wants to use Pollard for defense. That's why he doesn't play much.

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