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    Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis, best backcourt in the league?

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    Nets beat the Cavs tonight, so the Pacers win will put them in 1st place by % points. Perhaps in a tie with the Bulls depending on their outcome with the Warriors tomorrow

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    Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis, best backcourt in the league?
    warriors were my pick for sleepers this yr. them to dorrel wrigh and david lee is a hell of a team.

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    Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis, best backcourt in the league?
    No. Too small on the defensive end to work in the long term. The Pistons exploited that the other night. But Monta has really come into this season with a much better attitude and upped his game this year.

    He'd be ideal as a 30 mpg 6th man and his salary is commensurate with his production.

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    Holy crap. When I think of Dirk, I think of his jump shooting. 3's in particular. He's never been a player I like watching (Or Dallas at all) so I somehow had missed how detached from the 3 point line he's become. He's only even attempted 4 three's this year.

    All of last season he only made 51 shots from 3. I have just absolutely missed that. My guess in the little I've watched him is that he's resorting to mid range jumpers and turn around shots in the post.
    That trend started when Avery Johnson became the coach. Yeah, lots of his offense comes off the post (26% of his shots last season were off post-ups). His fadeaways are basically impossible to challenge. Especially because he's so good at pump-faking... needs to be defended conservatively. The best way of defending his post-ups is to deny him the ball or force him to catch out of the low block. IF he gets good position, he'll generally turn over his right and then fadeaway. He's so big and the release point so hight that there's nothing the defender can do at that point.

    They also run lots of isolations on the elbow for him, they just spread the floor and let him face-up from there. He's great in triple threat position and it's hard to throw a double-team there. Actually, it's even tougher to stop him on the high post. It's a classic go-to move for him, catching the ball at the top of the key and then fire a fadeway jumper or drive by his man if he has a quickness advantage.

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    OK, so you can do everything on the court well, except shoot jumpers, and you're not a difference maker because of it.

    We'll certainly have to agree to disagree on that one. That's ..... uh .... yeah. Just agree to disagree.
    And 44% is too low for a guy who takes mostly lay up type shots, so he apparently doesn't do that very well either, turns the ball over alot.... I mean look you can sit there and say that he is gonna be a great player one day. But Wall is just like Rose, Rondo, and the Dru Holliday's of the league. Athletic freaks who can't shoot. If you put Rondo on any other team than the Celtics he would look terrible. Its not hard to look great when you are passing to 3 All-star calibur players.

    How many more wins will the Wizards have this year over last? I'm going to predict not many.

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    And 44% is too low for a guy who takes mostly lay up type shots, so he apparently doesn't do that very well either, turns the ball over alot.... I mean look you can sit there and say that he is gonna be a great player one day. But Wall is just like Rose, Rondo, and the Dru Holliday's of the league. Athletic freaks who can't shoot. If you put Rondo on any other team than the Celtics he would look terrible. Its not hard to look great when you are passing to 3 All-star calibur players.

    How many more wins will the Wizards have this year over last? I'm going to predict not many.
    Yet Gordon Hayward and his anemic shooting %'s last year in college were an aberration, right? What was he, 29% from 3 point range?

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    And 44% is too low for a guy who takes mostly lay up type shots, so he apparently doesn't do that very well either, turns the ball over alot.... I mean look you can sit there and say that he is gonna be a great player one day. But Wall is just like Rose, Rondo, and the Dru Holliday's of the league. Athletic freaks who can't shoot. If you put Rondo on any other team than the Celtics he would look terrible. Its not hard to look great when you are passing to 3 All-star calibur players.

    How many more wins will the Wizards have this year over last? I'm going to predict not many.
    Just to clue you in, the guy is a guard. Among point guards in the NBA he ranks #14 in FG%. Certainly not the blatant horrible shooting you keep talking about. Also I'd love for you to prove he takes "mostly layups", because I looked for the stat and couldn't find it.

    Also, they probably won't win many more games, but winning anymore games than last year will tell you how good John Wall is. Don't forget they played half of last year with Caron Butler and Antwan Jamison. They also had Mike Miller and Brandon Haywood last year as well. That's almost their entire starting lineup between the All Star break last year to now, gone. I bet they STILL win more games than last year, and it's because of John Wall.

    Open your eyes, because you're clearly not seeing the same game the rest of the world is seeing.

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    ya Rondo needed to go under the screen
    Yeps, very bad decision making. However, as I was thinking about Dirk's go-to moves... a sine-qua-non reason for this play to happen is precisely Dirk being so hard to stop from the high-post elbow. Actually the two previous Dallas scores come from isolating Dirk at the elbow and at the extended elbow. First he drove right, then he drove left, two lay-ups. So, when he sets that pick:






    Garnett is willing to do anything to deny Dirk the ball, keeps hugging him tight and ignores Kidd. Had it been any other player and this play wouldn't happen because Garnett would have hedged on Kidd.



    The game winning shot (1:49 in the video) is vintage Nowitzki once again, he's deadly from the low block extended. Chandler sets a good pindown screen on Garnett, forcing the switch. Davis doesn't have the lenght to bother Dirk's shot, so the Celtics should have sent the double team quicker. Having Tyson Chandler/Haywood playing the weakside block instead of a massive offensive liability like Dampier is an important upgrade for Dallas - it's easier to double when there's a player like Dampier on the floor. Still, the Spurs did a great job frustrating this play in last season playoffs by sending a hard double on the catch, then having Duncan (in this case it'd be Garnett) closing on Kidd, the naked wing defender picking up the low block (Pierce on Chandler/Manu on Haywood), Kidd's defender (Parker/Ray Allen) would cross the lane to the weakside and the other guy (Rondo/whoever) would avoid the ball reversal . Once the ball was passed back to Dirk, you can start it all over again: double with the big, close out on Kidd with a small and rotate to the original positions.

    The lack of offensive dynamism, of quality go-to scoring, from the Mavs allows this kind of switching. Most of their players simply can't take advantage of mismatches. That's why Beaubois is so important to them and Carlisle was dumb for underutilizing him last season.

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    House = low quality backup / slightly above average 3rd stringer
    Arroyo = very poor backup / slightly below average 3rd stringer

    Arroyo + House = worst point-guard rotation in the league by a very large margin.

    Where's Chalmers?

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    House = low quality backup / slightly above average 3rd stringer
    Arroyo = very poor backup / slightly below average 3rd stringer

    Arroyo + House = worst point-guard rotation in the league by a very large margin.

    Where's Chalmers?
    He can't shoot the three

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    House = low quality backup / slightly above average 3rd stringer
    Arroyo = very poor backup / slightly below average 3rd stringer

    Arroyo + House = worst point-guard rotation in the league by a very large margin.

    Where's Chalmers?
    Who wants TJ? :P

    Even though TJ'd be a terrible fit..but shhh lets not tell them that. Funny enough Price would be a good fit..money wise and skill wise. But uh..no.

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    House = low quality backup / slightly above average 3rd stringer
    Arroyo = very poor backup / slightly below average 3rd stringer

    Arroyo + House = worst point-guard rotation in the league by a very large margin.

    Where's Chalmers?
    Chalmers is in right now

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    Ray Allen <3..thank you for making one of these two teams likeable.

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    Miami is getting abuse tonight, by the way the American Airline Arena is not even all the way full

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    LeBron barrels into Erden's chest (defensive foul on the stationary player) and takes an extremely exaggerated dive, unable to figure out which part of his face "hurts" before deciding on the jaw.

    I hate this man.

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    I really feel bad for Erick Spoestra he seems like a good guy but no way those guys are paying attention to him.

    They showed him talking to those guys in half time and he was talking about not been selfish and leave their egos and things like that.
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    I really feel bad for Erick Spoestra he seems like a good guy but no way those guys are paying attention to him.
    hell of a coach they way over achived last year due to his defense of intestity and Dwade

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    I genuinely think Spoelstra is a good-great coach (see: last year's Miami roster) but you're right... he's too inexperienced to deal with this type of team. He's doomed.

    Hmm..... if he somehow became available this summ... naaaaah.

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    Boston is a superior team to Miami.

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    Boston is a superior team to Miami.
    any team with bigs is superior to Miami cant wait till they play LA LOL

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    I genuinely think Spoelstra is a good-great coach (see: last year's Miami roster) but you're right... he's too inexperienced to deal with this type of team. He's doomed.

    Hmm..... if he somehow became available this summ... naaaaah.
    I would love him as our coach defense baby

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    Boston is a superior team to Miami.
    Agreed, and they're even playing without Perkins and JO.

    Reggie with a rare moment of insight (I love the guy and he's the greatest Pacer ever, but he was NOT born to do color work) when mentioning that Nate Robinson got T'ed up for something that LeBron just got away with.

    I fully support the idea that you can't let the players constantly show up the refs every time a foul is called, but the very least they can do is call it consistently instead of getting all moody about it.

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    Miami is getting abuse tonight, by the way the American Airline Arena is not even all the way full
    I am thoroughly confused by that as well. How are they not filling that place up every night?

    There must just be way too much to do in Miami.

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    I know it's probably pretty temporary and likely to end very soon, but for right now I am enjoying the epic trainwreck that is the Miami Heat.

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