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    Well, with the loss of a premiere frontcourt player in Troy Murphy, lots of people were expecting the Pacers to have a gaping hole at the 4. That's not been how it's looked so far. As far as the bigs, we're actually pretty well stocked (even without playing a small lineup of Granger at the 4). On paper, here's the lineup:

    Hibbert - Foster - Solo
    McRoberts - Tyler - Magnum

    Hibbert's the only automatic lock as a starter. Solo and Magnum are projects, but the other three guys could all make a case for themselves as the starter. Josh and Tyler both had fantastic games tonight. So who should start? I figured this thread would be a good place for that discussion.

    I've liked Tyler more than I expected to, and I'm glad that Larry picked him. I still think, though, that his ideal position right now is first big off the bench. McRoberts and Hibbert complement each other well and seem to have good chemistry. Josh seems to be a good glue guy between Granger and Hibbert... he's got enough of an offensive game that other teams can't ignore him (sorry Foster) but he also doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective (sorry Tyler).

    When Tyler has the ball in his hands, though, he can be very effective (especially against a team whose backup is starting and whose benchwarmer is playing backup). His scoring punch and energy seems ideal to come off the bench.

    Foster's still got some in the tank, but at this point in his career I'd prefer to see him used situationally. Maybe 12-15 minutes a game, with the other 84 minutes going to Roy, Josh, and Tyler. Magnum and Solo can stay on the inactive list unless we have an injury.

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    I think Josh should be an automatic Starter.

    My rotation would be

    McRoberts/Tyler/Magnum
    Hibbert/McRoberts/Foster

    It's kind of funny to say this. And I thought Josh had potential but looked a little lost last season. But I want Josh in the game as much as possible. And I think he's our second best Center.

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    Given the information we have at this time, the rotation looks spot on. I wouldn't touch it for at least the first 20 games unless something wonky starts happening.

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    Yeah, I like the idea of McRoberts as starting 4 and as backup center.
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    Tyler/McRoberts/Magnum
    Hibbert/Foster/Magnum

    IMHO, Tyler is looking more and more like the player we expected when Indiana drafted him. Let's not forget his ability to get to the line.

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    I hope McRoberts is ready to play about 40 a night because Foster can't play. Solo is a much better option at this point. But Josh has to start at 4 and backup 5.
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    Mcroberts/Tyler
    Hibbert/Mcroberts

    Jeff looks done, I have to concur with that sentiment. I hope we can find some spot minutes for Magnum Rolle so we don't run Josh into the ground. I prefer that over Solomon getting minutes.

    The good news is, Hansbrough looks ready to be a big contributer as well. Lets pray nobody gets injured.
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    These are how I'd rate our big men:

    1. Hibbert
    2. Hansbrough
    3. McRoberts
    4. Magnum Rolle
    5. Jeff Foster
    6. Solomon Jones
    7. Lance Allred (I'll throw him a bone and put him in here for now)

    And I'd make this our rotation:

    Center: Hibbert/Hansbrough/Foster/Solo
    Power Forward: Hansbrough/McRoberts/Rolle/Allred

    We all know that Allred won't make the roster and Solo is on his way out most likely, but I'll leave him in the following discussion:

    Hibbert is obviously our starting C, no doubts there. Personally I'd like to have Hansbrough start and have Josh and his crazy "hyper" energy come off the bench, but really he and Hansbrough could switch starting and coming off the bench whenever depending on matchups. I'm not sure if Rolle could handle centers, so for now I'd play him at PF. Foster and Solo get any few minutes left over if there are any...Foster is getting old as we all know, but he can still do a few of the little things, such as keeping the ball alive, that can help us out when he's on the court.

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    These are how I'd rate our big men:

    1. Hibbert
    2. Hansbrough
    3. McRoberts
    4. Magnum Rolle
    5. Jeff Foster
    6. Solomon Jones
    7. Lance Allred (I'll throw him a bone and put him in here for now)

    And I'd make this our rotation:

    Center: Hibbert/Hansbrough/Foster/Solo
    Power Forward: Hansbrough/McRoberts/Rolle/Allred
    You really think Hansbrough should backup the center spot? You must really want to see him fail.
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    Can't see Tyler as a 5.
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    I hear people saying that Tyler should start because they like him more than Josh as a player, but what I'm not hearing is how he fits with the starting unit.

    To me, having Tyler off the bench is an absolutely perfect use of his skills.
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    ANYTHING BUT POSEY

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    I hear people saying that Tyler should start because they like him more than Josh as a player, but what I'm not hearing is how he fits with the starting unit.

    To me, having Tyler off the bench is an absolutely perfect use of his skills.
    yes i agree 1000% Josh is great with the starters. He is a great outlet passer and runs the court well.

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    I really wish we would have traded Foster 2 years ago.....

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    I hear people saying that Tyler should start because they like him more than Josh as a player, but what I'm not hearing is how he fits with the starting unit.

    To me, having Tyler off the bench is an absolutely perfect use of his skills.
    Agreed. I like Hansbrough more, but McRoberts fits with the starters and Hansbrough would be an awesome spark off the bench. Hansbrough can match any player in NBA history when it comes to passion - I doubt he'll see many bench players who care 1/10 as much as he does - that's an advantage in itself.

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    Tyler off the bench for a scoring punch. Definitely a good fit because he can dominate their bench and they may be forced to keep their starter in to contend with him. Let the dude wear'em out.

    McBob does complement our starting unit much better and should be the starter going forward...or until we get a dominant 4.

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    I hear people saying that Tyler should start because they like him more than Josh as a player, but what I'm not hearing is how he fits with the starting unit.

    To me, having Tyler off the bench is an absolutely perfect use of his skills.
    Exactly. He can score against other teams' scrubs. Let him. It's the same as the Rush argument. Granger, Collison, and Hibbert are going to take most of the shots anyway. All Hansbrough can really do is score. Let's put him where that is needed. Off the bench.
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    Tyler/McRoberts/Magnum
    Hibbert/Foster/Magnum

    IMHO, Tyler is looking more and more like the player we expected when Indiana drafted him. Let's not forget his ability to get to the line.
    I think there was a big belief that Tyler got bailed out by refs a lot in college and people doubted that would translate to the NBA. That's starting to look like bunk. NBA refs have no reason to give him anything and he's still getting to the line.
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    I think there was a big belief that Tyler got bailed out by refs a lot in college and people doubted that would translate to the NBA. That's starting to look like bunk. NBA refs have no reason to give him anything and he's still getting to the line.
    His shot selection looks to have already improved quite a bit since last season, which was my major knock on him. He actually appears to have an effective back to the basket game.

    His shot still looks like it gets off low to me, however... I think he is ideally suited as an off the bench player where he will have a better chance of dominating against other team's second unit bigs.
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    I hope McRoberts is ready to play about 40 a night because Foster can't play. Solo is a much better option at this point. But Josh has to start at 4 and backup 5.
    This is my worry. The reason I was mad about Josh's PT the last 2 years was because I was thinking of NOW. You needed to be bringing up his conditioning and overall game back then so he'd be more ready for the every night heavy load it looks like they will need from him.

    I'm no Tyler believer of course, but given the depth chart I'm forced to be counting on him to come through and prove me wrong as a solid 20 mpg backup.

    And this doesn't even get into Roy's foul issues.



    BTW, this isn't the intention of the original question, but one thing I like about Josh next to Roy is how aggressive Josh is with his OUTLET PASSING. This is why I wanted Love as a Pacer so much. A good outlet is as much a fastbreak creator as a steal.

    At one point tonight Josh threw a one handed zip to Collison around midcourt before he'd even hit the floor off a rebound jump.

    Of all the areas that Troy hurt the team, outlet passing from all his defensive boards had to be the biggest. I have a lot more confidence in the passing of both Roy and Josh. As bigs go, those 2 probably rank as some of the (potentially) best in the game. This is why I like to see the ball touch their hands in as many possessions as possible.



    While Josh can swing to the 5 it's not a strong point for him. Ditto Tyler. I think if the team is forced to use either as a 5 for more than a couple of minutes they are going to have trouble. A big part of what broke down Foster was all the time moved over the 5. You could see Josh getting bent back last year when facing solid, strong 5s.

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    I think people get too caught up in draft position.

    "Tyler was a lottery pick so he should start."

    "McRoberts was a 2nd round pick, he's only good as an energy big off the bench."

    The fact is McRoberts is a better player starting for this team. He makes the other 4 guys on the court better. He does everything.

    Tyler doesn't do that. He's going to muscle his way into the paint and force up shots. Several of them are going to go in and he'll get his points, but he's not going to make anybody else better. That attitude makes him an ideal scoring punch off the bench, not as a high volume, low percentage shooter with the starters. He won't be able to rebound at the same rate as McRoberts nor he is nearly as good of a defender.

    Leave the Duke/UNC biases in the ACC, this is the NBA.

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    This is my worry. The reason I was mad about Josh's PT the last 2 years was because I was thinking of NOW. You needed to be bringing up his conditioning and overall game back then so he'd be more ready for the every night heavy load it looks like they will need from him.

    I'm no Tyler believer of course, but given the depth chart I'm forced to be counting on him to come through and prove me wrong as a solid 20 mpg backup.

    And this doesn't even get into Roy's foul issues.



    BTW, this isn't the intention of the original question, but one thing I like about Josh next to Roy is how aggressive Josh is with his OUTLET PASSING. This is why I wanted Love as a Pacer so much. A good outlet is as much a fastbreak creator as a steal.At one point tonight Josh threw a one handed zip to Collison around midcourt before he'd even hit the floor off a rebound jump.

    Of all the areas that Troy hurt the team, outlet passing from all his defensive boards had to be the biggest. I have a lot more confidence in the passing of both Roy and Josh. As bigs go, those 2 probably rank as some of the (potentially) best in the game. This is why I like to see the ball touch their hands in as many possessions as possible.



    While Josh can swing to the 5 it's not a strong point for him. Ditto Tyler. I think if the team is forced to use either as a 5 for more than a couple of minutes they are going to have trouble. A big part of what broke down Foster was all the time moved over the 5. You could see Josh getting bent back last year when facing solid, strong 5s.
    That is why i love Jmac he is a beast at throwing a good outlet pass. That is why he should start and play almost all the time when DC is on the floor.

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    I think people get too caught up in draft position.

    "Tyler was a lottery pick so he should start."

    "McRoberts was a 2nd round pick, he's only good as an energy big off the bench."

    The fact is McRoberts is a better player starting for this team. He makes the other 4 guys on the court better. He does everything.

    Tyler doesn't do that. He's going to muscle his way into the paint and force up shots. Several of them are going to go in and he'll get his points, but he's not going to make anybody else better. That attitude makes him an ideal scoring punch off the bench, not as a high volume, low percentage shooter with the starters. He won't be able to rebound at the same rate as McRoberts nor he is nearly as good of a defender.

    Leave the Duke/UNC biases in the ACC, this is the NBA.
    I don't know if I've EVER read those "quotes" before, much less in this thread.

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    Tyler/McRoberts/Magnum
    Hibbert/Foster/Magnum

    IMHO, Tyler is looking more and more like the player we expected when Indiana drafted him. Let's not forget his ability to get to the line.
    He can't rebound which is what we need most out of the 4 spot. That and he doesn't have the ability to make his teammates around him better, both things Josh can do. Wait until he goes up against an actual starter in this league and you'll understand.

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    These are how I'd rate our big men:

    1. Hibbert
    2. Hansbrough
    3. McRoberts
    4. Magnum Rolle
    5. Jeff Foster
    6. Solomon Jones
    7. Lance Allred (I'll throw him a bone and put him in here for now)

    And I'd make this our rotation:

    Center: Hibbert/Hansbrough/Foster/Solo
    Power Forward: Hansbrough/McRoberts/Rolle/Allred

    We all know that Allred won't make the roster and Solo is on his way out most likely, but I'll leave him in the following discussion:

    Hibbert is obviously our starting C, no doubts there. Personally I'd like to have Hansbrough start and have Josh and his crazy "hyper" energy come off the bench, but really he and Hansbrough could switch starting and coming off the bench whenever depending on matchups. I'm not sure if Rolle could handle centers, so for now I'd play him at PF. Foster and Solo get any few minutes left over if there are any...Foster is getting old as we all know, but he can still do a few of the little things, such as keeping the ball alive, that can help us out when he's on the court.
    Did I read this correctly? You would have Hansbrough as our backup center? He can hardly play PF, where do you see in his game he would be capable going up against ANY other starting center in this league? And Rolle we have hardly seen/heard anything. What's the deal with this guy getting so much love? We have hardly seen him play.

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