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    This is a detailed list of all transactions that Larry Bird has been a part of since joining the front office, broken down into the Walsh/Bird era and the Bird/Morway era. Maybe this will help some people who seem to place blame on Bird for decisions that weren't even his.

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    Trades Under Donnie Walsh/Larry Bird Regime

    1. Traded Brad Miller (to Sacramento) and Ron Mercer (to San Antonio) for Scott Pollard and Danny Ferry
    2. Traded Al Harrington to Atlanta for Stephen Jackson
    3. Traded James Jones to Phoenix for the #55 pick in the 2008 Draft (later traded to Portland)
    4. Traded the rights to Alexander Johnson, the #42 pick in the 2007 Draft (Derrick Byars), and the #55 pick in the 2008 Draft (Mike Taylor) to Portland for the rights to James White.
    5. Traded Austin Croshere to Dallas for Marquis Daniels
    6. Traded Peja Stojakovic and cash to New Orleans for Andrew Betts
    7. Traded Anthony Johnson to Dallas for Darrell Armstrong, Rawle Marshall, and Josh Powell
    8. Traded #11 pick in the 2007 Draft (Acie Law) to Atlanta for Al Harrington and John Edwards.
    9. Traded Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius, and Josh Powell to Golden State for Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Jr., Ike Diogu, and Keith McLeod
    10. Traded #43 pick in the 2009 Draft (Marcus Thornton) to Miami for rights to Stanko Barac

    Trades Under Bird/David Morway Regime

    1. Traded Ike Diogu and the rights to Jerryd Bayless to Portland for the rights to Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack, and Josh McRoberts
    2. Traded Jermaine O’Neal to Toronto and the rights to Nathan Jawal to Portland for T. J Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, Maceo Baston, and the rights to Roy Hibbert
    3. Traded Shawne Williams to Dallas for Eddie Jones, the #52 pick in the 2009 Draft (A.J. Price) and the #57 pick in the 2010 Draft (Ryan Reid)
    4. Traded the rights to Ryan Reid to Oklahoma City and cash for the rights to Magnum Rolle
    5. Traded Troy Murphy to New Jersey as part of a four-team deal for Darren Collison and James Posey

    Draft Picks Under Walsh/Bird

    1. 2004 (#29) David Harrison
    2. 2004 (#59) Rashad Wright
    3. 2005 (#17) Danny Granger
    4. 2005 (#46) Erazem Lorbek
    5. 2006 (#17) Shawne Williams
    6. 2006 (#31) James White (acquired through Trade)
    7. 2006 (#47) Alexander Johnson (Traded to Portland)
    8. 2007 (#39) Stanko Barac (acquired through Trade)

    Draft Picks Under Bird/Morway

    1. 2008 (#11) Jerryd Bayless (Traded to Portland)
    2. 2008 (#13) Brandon Rush (acquired through Trade)
    3. 2008 (#17) Roy Hibbert (acquired through Trade)
    4. 2008 (#41) Nathan Jawal (Traded to Toronto)
    5. 2009 (#13) Tyler Hansbrough
    6. 2009 (#52) A.J. Price (acquired through Trade)
    7. 2010 (#10) Paul George
    8. 2010 (#40) Lance Stephenson
    9. 2010 (#51) Magnum Rolle (acquired through Trade)
    10. 2010 (#57) Ryan Reid (Traded to Oklahoma City

    Free Agent Signings Under Walsh/Bird

    (only those who saw regular season action)

    1. 2003 – Anthony Johnson
    2. 2003 – Kenny Anderson
    3. 2004 – Eddie Gill
    4. 2004 – John Edwards
    5. 2004 – Britton Johnsen
    6. 2004 – Tremaine Fowlkes
    7. 2004 – Marcus Haislip
    8. 2004 – Michael Curry
    9. 2005 – Dale Davis
    10. 2005 – Sarunas Jasikevicius
    11. 2005 – Samaki Walker
    12. 2006 – Maceo Baston
    13. 2007 – Stephen Graham
    14. 2007 – Andre Owens
    15. 2007 – Kareem Rush
    16. 2007 – Travis Diener
    17. 2007 – Courtney Sims
    18. 2008 – Ronald “Flip” Murray

    Free Agent Signings Under Bird/Morway

    1. 2009 – Dahntay Jones
    2. 2009 – Earl Watson
    3. 2009 – Solomon Jones
    4. 2009 – Luther Head

    Coaching Moves Under Walsh/Bird

    1. 2003 – Fired Isiah Thomas
    2. 2003 – Hired Rick Carlisle
    3. 2006 – re-signed Rick Carlisle to multi-year extension
    4. 2007 – Fired Rick Carlisle
    5. 2007 – Hired Jim O’Brien
    6. 2009 – Exercised option for 2010-2011 season for Jim O’Brien

    Buy-Outs

    1. 2008 – Eddie Jones
    2. 2009 – Jamaal Tinsley
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    Default Re: Larry Bird's Transactions Since Joining the Front Office

    You might want to put an asterisk next to these three:

    5. 2004 – Britton Johnsen
    6. 2004 – Tremaine Fowlkes
    7. 2004 – Marcus Haislip

    And change this:

    Coaching Moves under Bird/Morway
    6. 2009 – Exercised option for 2010-2011 season for Jim O’Brien

    Great rundown. Don't you have a job, though?
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    The Marcus Thornton/Stanko transaction, I have never seen before. Not sure how I missed that one.

    Doesn't look pretty when you lay it out like that.

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    The Marcus Thornton/Stanko transaction, I have never seen before. Not sure how I missed that one.

    Doesn't look pretty when you lay it out like that.
    No way to tell who was going to be there at #43 a year later, but Marcus Thornton is turning out to be a steal for NO.
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    You might want to put an asterisk next to these three:

    5. 2004 – Britton Johnsen
    6. 2004 – Tremaine Fowlkes
    7. 2004 – Marcus Haislip

    And change this:

    Coaching Moves under Bird/Morway
    6. 2009 – Exercised option for 2010-2011 season for Jim O’Brien

    Great rundown. Don't you have a job, though?
    I'm at work right now
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    Uh huh.
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    Remember that discussion we had earlier today? You're fitting the part quite nicely...
    I'm seriously laughing out loud right now.
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    No way to tell who was going to be there at #43 a year later, but Marcus Thornton is turning out to be a steal for NO.
    Agreed. Not their faults for making that deal not knowing who would be there.

    But knowing what we know now, that is quite disappointing seeing how Thornton is turning out.

    Oh well, hindsight is always 20/20.
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    Trades Under Bird/David Morway Regime

    1. Traded Ike Diogu and the rights to Jerryd Bayless to Portland for the rights to Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack, and Josh McRoberts
    2. Traded Jermaine O’Neal to Toronto and the rights to Nathan Jawal to Portland for T. J Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, Maceo Baston, and the rights to Roy Hibbert
    3. Traded Shawne Williams to Dallas for Eddie Jones, the #52 pick in the 2009 Draft (A.J. Price) and the #57 pick in the 2010 Draft (Ryan Reid)
    4. Traded the rights to Ryan Reid to Oklahoma City and cash for the rights to Magnum Rolle
    5. Traded Troy Murphy to New Jersey as part of a four-team deal for Darren Collison and James Posey


    Draft Picks Under Bird/Morway

    1. 2008 (#11) Jerryd Bayless (Traded to Portland)
    2. 2008 (#13) Brandon Rush (acquired through Trade)
    3. 2008 (#17) Roy Hibbert (acquired through Trade)
    4. 2008 (#41) Nathan Jawal (Traded to Toronto)
    5. 2009 (#13) Tyler Hansbrough
    6. 2009 (#52) A.J. Price (acquired through Trade)
    7. 2010 (#10) Paul George
    8. 2010 (#40) Lance Stephenson
    9. 2010 (#51) Magnum Rolle (acquired through Trade)
    10. 2010 (#57) Ryan Reid (Traded to Oklahoma City
    Apart from the O'Brien-extension, I really like what the Bird/Morway regime has done so far and I think they've done a (very) good job in turning this franchise around.

    Considering the difficult circumstances TPTB had to deal with (cap space, long contracts, bad image), it probably couldn't have gone any better in the past two/three years.
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    I'm not too broken up about Marcus Thornton, considering we got AJ and Rolle for Shawne Williams and cash. Plus all the Stanko humor, of course.
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    Reading that list makes me realize how many draft picks we have wasted. Wow.

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    Reading that list makes me realize how many draft picks we have wasted. Wow.
    I think if someone bothered to do this for all teams, you'd see more waste than what can be attributed to the Pacers. It's largely the nature of the beast.

    To me the only two that can really be labeled as wastes are from 2007 - Williams and White. Everything else is either a player that will be on the roster this year (with Rolle being a possible exception), a foreigner for which they still have rights (Lorbek, Stanko) or a fairly acceptable risk given their position in the draft (Harrison).

    I suppose things could have been better, but I'm just not seeing the 'Wow, what a bunch of wasted opportunities'.

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    I think if someone bothered to do this for all teams, you'd see more waste than what can be attributed to the Pacers. It's largely the nature of the beast.

    To me the only two that can really be labeled as wastes are from 2007 - Williams and White. Everything else is either a player that will be on the roster this year (with Rolle being a possible exception), a foreigner for which they still have rights (Lorbek, Stanko) or a fairly acceptable risk given their position in the draft (Harrison).

    I suppose things could have been better, but I'm just not seeing the 'Wow, what a bunch of wasted opportunities'.
    Most people just look at players that are better that we "could" have picked. Ignoring the concept that if you did that for every team, they'd have an All Star roster as well.

    It's rather silly.

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    With the expection of Granger, Bird and Morway are doing a way better job at drafting.

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    With the expection of Granger, Bird and Morway are doing a way better job at drafting.
    If you consider where the Pacers are drafting now from then, then also consider that none of the players drafted by Bird/Morway have even played 3 seasons, it really isn't a fair comparison. If on average you are drafting 6-7 positions higher it is easier to find talent. Then you got the optimism around young players Bird/Morway have a clear advantage. It really isn't a fair comparison.

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    If you consider where the Pacers are drafting now from then, then also consider that none of the players drafted by Bird/Morway have even played 3 seasons, it really isn't a fair comparison. If on average you are drafting 6-7 positions higher it is easier to find talent. Then you got the optimism around young players Bird/Morway have a clear advantage. It really isn't a fair comparison.
    You are correct, but at least it looks like the second rounders are going to stick around for a while. All of the Bird/Walsh second rounds were garbage.

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    Somewhere in there the Artest/Peja trade should be mentioned.

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