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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

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  • Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/10/14/l...ishing-career/
    By Tim Povtak

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- The news earlier this week that former NBA superstar Allen Iverson could be ending his career playing in Turkey made Larry Brown wince Thursday. It clearly bothered him.


    Larry Brown and Allen Iverson, 2002
    Brown, now coaching the Charlotte Bobcats, was the one most responsible for molding Iverson into the player he became -- one of the league's all-time greats.

    They were together -- often in a love/hate relationship -- for six seasons in Philadelphia, reaching the NBA Finals in 2001. During their run together, Iverson became the NBA's Most Valuable Player, led the league in scoring three times, and twice was named All-NBA first team.

    "Nobody who has done as much as Allen has done for this league should have to be in Turkey playing, to end his career,'' Brown said before the Bobcats-Magic game Thursday. "We have one of the most special players ever in our sport, who still has something left. I feel terrible about this. That is not how he should be ending his career.''

    Iverson, 35, is considering a $2 million, one-year offer from Besiktas Cola Turka, according to his business partner Gary Moore. Iverson wanted to play this season in the NBA, but he found no one was interested, including the Bobcats.


    He struggled last season with a variety of issues, starting the year and playing three games with Memphis, clashing with the coaching staff over his role before asking for his release. He later played 25 games with Philadelphia, averaged 13.9 points, but he left because of family issues.

    Throughout his career, Iverson (6-0, 165 pounds) has been regarded as one of the toughest, pound-for-pound players in league history, both dynamic on the court but divisive in the locker room.

    Brown said the Bobcats seriously considered signing Iverson last season, but he and majority partner Michael Jordan opted against it because of how it might affect the younger guards they were trying to develop.


    "I remember an NBA coaches' meeting this summer, someone from the NBA staff, talking to me about 'hey this is not the way Allen should be ending his career,' " Brown said. "The commissioner (David Stern) doesn't want to see it happen like this. I feel terrible about it. He did so much for me, and my career.''
    Although most everyone agrees that Iverson still could contribute to an NBA team, they also wonder how he would accept a reduced role after being a starter and star for so many years. It was an issue he never was comfortable with last season.

    "I wish I was in a position to help him, where it wouldn't affect the other guys I'm coaching,'' Brown said. "He needs to be on a great team that has a chance to win (a championship) and could utilize what he does. He doesn't need to be in Turkey.''
    Kudos to Larry Brown, what a classy guy for sticking up for AI. No matter what you think of Allen personally, I love him. He gave his heart and soul on the court and took more beating s thatn any little guy I have ever seen. I really wish someone like San Antonio would pick him up


    sad times, I iss allen, makes me feel old that he is now old
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

    I agree with Larry Brown 100%.

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      Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

      Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
      I agree with Larry Brown 100%.
      Me 2 but he would have a spot in the NBA if he wanted a bench role.

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        Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

        he can be on any team in the league...as long as it is not the Pacers...

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          Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

          I love watching the guy play so much heart . Like I said I think he could help San Antonio, OKC, Utah, Orlando
          Sittin on top of the world!

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            Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

            If some team wanted Iverson, then he would already be on that team.

            Obviously, no one wants him.

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              Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

              Maybe the Heat will sign him. What could it possibly hurt???

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                Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
                Maybe the Heat will sign him. What could it possibly hurt???
                everything lol

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                  Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                  Larry Brown should finish his career here, I think.

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                    Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                    The Bobcats need a Guard that has experience running the point.....maybe Larry Brown should help Iverson out and simply sign him to the Bobcats.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                      AI could play for any team in the league if he was willing to fit them instead of making them fit him.

                      It isn't like he has been unfairly blacklisted.
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        The Bobcats need a Guard that has experience running the point.....maybe Larry Brown should help Iverson out and simply sign him to the Bobcats.
                        LB sais he discussed it with MJ but decided it would take playing time form the young guards

                        Translation: "I dont want him coming here and b%$ing about playing time ao anything else and creating a negative feeling around the team"
                        Sittin on top of the world!

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                          Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                          he shouldnt have to take a bench role either. i bet he is still top 10 pg in league. and i think the cancer thing is overrated.

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                            Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                            Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                            makes me feel old that he is now old
                            Me too .. I am the same age (35) as Iverson..

                            It's crazy , how the vigorous training and harsh 82 game schedule with the constant on-the-go traveling can prematurely age an athlete so quickly..

                            I hear people make the comment all the time , how this or that nba player is old or at the twilight of their career ... yet the same player(s) being talked about may only be 32 to 34 yrs old .. It really makes me feel old.. even though I know I'm not really....

                            I don't think age matters as much as how the individual has taken care of themselves during their career..

                            Look at Kidd and Nash .. both are my age ... Nash (35) ... Kidd (36) ..

                            They BOTH are STILL considered 2 of the best p.g.'s in the whole league ..

                            Nash is, and has been EASILY.. a top 5 p.g. .. IMO a top 3 ..

                            Then you have Kidd , whom is DEFINITELY in the top 8 RIGHT NOW at 36yrs old..

                            I still wish Iverson could find an NBA team to play a few good years and retire with..
                            As far as on the court , AI can still ball like it's no one's business..



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                            "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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                              Re: Larry Brown: Allen Iverson Deserves Better Than Finishing Career in Turkey

                              You guys talking about the same douche that isn't signing with Turkey because he needs a guaranteed "cap" on the fines he can incur? If that's not a sign you shouldn't be signing someone, I don't know what is.

                              He'd have a spot on a team if he wasn't a selfish, stubborn, washed up chucker who think's he's on par with Michael Jordan.

                              Give the guy a better attitude and he'd be on any one of several teams in the NBA right now. This is his own doing.

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