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    Pacer fans were spoiled

    Jim O'Brien is fealing the pressure. After tinkering with the lineups in the second half of the first three games with horrible results he's had to shore up the rotations so the novice fans will stop bickering. After three meaningless preseason games he's had to stop experimenting with the lineups and stop trying to develop the end of the bench.

    Indiana has not had a coach for more than four years since Slick Leonard's twelve year stint ended in 1980. We were a poorly run francise untill Donnie Walsh came in the mid 80's. In the early 90's we had a playoff team but couldn't convince a good coach to come here till Lary Brown in the mid 90's. That's when things took off.

    We had a nice run that ended in going to the Finals in 2000. Then we made some trades that brought us Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest and Brad Miller and we made another playoff run. Making the playoffs for 16 out of 17 years has spoiled the fans. The novice fans need to appreciate how hard it is to build a playoff team.

    Jim O'Brien has been criticized too harshly by some short sighted fans. We need to realize that we are still in transition and are rebuilding on the fly. We should be happy that Larry Bird talked Jim O'Brien in coming here and that we don't have a rookie coach to go along with our young roster.

    It's been a shock to our system that we've gone from a half court team to a running team but we don't have Rik Smits and Jermaine O'neal in the post commanding double teams. Roy Hibbert is trying to be our man in the post but is still young, awkward and still learning but has a work ethic that gives us confidence that he'll succeed. Don't forget that it took Rik Smits and Jermaine O'neal some time to get it going.

    Larry Bird has took some unfair criticism also. The biggest blemish on his record is drafting Shawne Williams 17th in 2006 but look at his contemporaries. Twelve through twenty look like this: Hilton Armstrong, Thabo Sefolosha, Ronnie Brewer, Cedric Simmons, Rodney Carney, Shawne Williams, Oleksiy Pecherov, Quincy Douby, Renaldo Balkman. To be fair Donnie Walsh was in charge until april 2008.

    The Pacers have turned Jermaine O'neal, Troy Murphy and Shawne Williams into Roy Hibbert, T.J. Ford, Darren Collison and Magnum Rolle. They have drafted Danny Granger, Tyler Hansbrough and Paul George in the first round at 17, 13, 10. Also have turned Jarryd Bayless into Josh McRoberts and Brandon Rush. Then we have had two second round steals in A.J. Price and Lance Stephenson. The last time we've had a second round steal was Antonio Davis in 1990.

    Larry Bird's three year plan is looking good. After this year when we will have some cap space to hopefully bring in a nice veteran in a slim class of free agents and have another chance to draft between 17 and 10. We will finally have the roster that we can be proud of for many years.

    These last few years have been frustrating and in alot of ways mirror the late 80's. We should be thankful that we've bottomed out at only 32 wins. Do you remember the four strait 20 win seasons we had in the early to mid 80's. That monumental failure set up the success in the 90's.

    The Pacers have spoiled us. Who else could build a team without any top 9 picks. It's been 20 years since we've had a season so bad. How many teams can say that?

    We were 27th in the league in attendence last year. The Colts are bringing in 50,000+ fans every game but do you think once Manning retires the fans will be patient while they get another quarterback?

    In 1985 the year of the first lottery many fans jumped on the bandwagon when we got the second pick and were rewarded in the 90's. By the mid 90's it was hard to get a good seat. People need to reserve there seats now because conventual wisdom will tell you that starting next year good seats will be getting harder to come by.

    Let's not be novice short sighted spoiled fans. Let's enjoy the run the Pacers are about to make and appreciate the hard work this organization has done.

    Me and my fellow area 55ers will see you at the game. Go Pacers!
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    way to start the show with a bang , lol
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    This is also a fanpost at indycornrows.com but I thought the diehard's here on PD would like it.

    Go Pacers!
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    I know I was spoiled in my teens when I got heavily interested in the Larry Bird-coached teams. Isiah started off when I was in full sunshiner mode, so that 41-41 year wasn't that bad for me, though a letdown compared to 2000, of course. Then the next year things start off rocky, but then that Chicago trade happened and re-energized the team, leading to an awesome series with New Jersey followed by what was initially a very promising/exciting 2003 season.

    Then Larry comes back, and even though Brad was traded we got Rick Carlisle in for Isiah and made good in 2004 the way I thought we were going to in 2003.

    Then we get to the fall of 2004....... the mustard's never really been put back on the hotdog since 11/19/04. Reggie's last hurrah was great, but definitely bittersweet.

    Since then...

    Things look like they just might be getting ready to turn the corner now. I want to be optimistic about that, but I've become jaded to the point where I'm still waiting to see it happen. But I sure as hell feel better now than I did at any point prior to 8/11/10!

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    By the way...

    My God. It's been SIX. YEARS. since the year of the Brawl. Six years since Reggie Miller wore a Pacer uniform. Six years since this franchise had a largely glowing reputation. Wow.

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    good read... and for those of us not old to remember those days its a nice reminder. I've only seen a lot of the good with reggie and this rebuilding process... but im sooo ready for this to take us somewhere. Pacers for life!
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    The 2005 season had to be the most heartbreaking Pacer season ever. The brawl coupled with our only HOFer Reggie ending his career. We are now just recovering from that.

    Area 55 is alive. Go Pacers!

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    The Pacers have spoiled us. Who else could build a team without any top 9 picks. It's been 20 years since we've had a season so bad. How many teams can say that?
    Just addressing this point... there is a reason of late why we have not had a top 9 pic, and this is my thing, building a team has to do a lot with making the most of the opportunities in front of you. The Pacers could have easily had a top 9 draft pick if they would have played smart near the ends of multiple seasons.

    I will say that I am spoiled as of late, but not due to the Pacers past but due to the Colts present, so used to being in a city of a team that is always competing for a championship and then we have the Pacers who never really seemed to get their stuff straight.

    I am grateful of some of the opportunities that the Pacers have taken advantage of such as getting Danny when he slipped down draft boards and taking a chance on a slow Center who many didn't see potential in. But during that same time there were a bunch of situations that I feel Pacer management and PLAYERS could have taken better advantage of and did not.

    Lol I like being spoiled by the way... especially by the teams that I am a fan of, don't know many fans that wouldn't want to be.

    And on that note thanks PG for the discounted tickets I really appreciate it

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    We could have had a top 9 pick the last two seasons if we didn't go on late season runs. That's a testiment to the coach and players not giving up.

    The future looks bright. Go Pacers!

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    A55 is alive...let's bring it. It helps the team....period.

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    Me and my fellow Area 55ers are changing the atmosphere in the Fieldhouse.

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    Makes me feel old when not many remember all the lean years before the salad. Man I'm only 46 but I guess I got 30 years of solid coverage. Time Flies.
    I never feel spoiled, I just hate it when the team loses, I do know in the past the mgt. moved a lot quicker to make changes. I'm not talking about during the playoff run stretch but before.

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    It's nice to see a hoop fanatic that remembers when the 3 point line was instituted that brought us to the modern age. Their needs to be more people like you that have seen how we almost lost the team in the early 80's. If it wasn't for a telathon we would have. We even tried out a girl. We are the only team to try it. The 80's had the Pacers on TV like once a month on channel 4.

    Lots of things have changed for the better in the last 30 years. Go Pacers!

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    Nice post.


    I'd just like to comment on this part:

    Making the playoffs for 16 out of 17 years has spoiled the fans. The novice fans need to appreciate how hard it is to build a playoff team.

    Is it really the novice fans who need to alter their appreciation? As I read this forum over the past couple of years, it is more often the mature fans in their 40s who have a sour, intransigent attitude and a clouded judgment.

    The younger folks here have some odd notions about punctuation, but their attitude toward the team seems more open-minded and hopeful than that of the older guys.



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    I like what we have going for us.

    Between the history, the fact that we play in the state of basketball, the fact that we were able to stay in the state of basketball, and the future of this franchise.

    I was thrilled when we got Darren. He was the best PG, IMO for us to acquire.

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    I became a fan in the 80's, so I'm not spoiled. I'll never forget being a 13 year old, maybe 14 year old and thinking that Wayman was going to lead us to big things. Of course to me and at the time big things were maybe a playoff berth and a .500 record. Making the playoffs seemed like an impossibility. And making out of the first round of the playoffs seemed like only something for the other NBA teams.

    Imagine being a Pacers fan since around the age of 9 and not getting out of the first round of the playoffs until the age of 25. That is the way it was for those in my age group - too young to remember the ABA but became fans in the late 70's. Because of my age I was bitter towards the ABA Pacers for a number of years, just because for about the first 10 years of me being a fan of the pacers all I ever heard about were the good old days of the ABA

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    Sometimes we all need to look back at the history to get a greater perspective. The brawl have changed this franchise dramatically. Every team goes through its up and downs. We've been down lately but not as far down as most teams get. Things are looking up and we all should be glad.

    Everyone together now. Go Pacers!

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    I thinks someone has Colts fans and Pacers fans confused.

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    I thinks someone has Colts fans and Pacers fans confused.
    I'm just trying to gather if there is really anything we haven't heard before in the OP.

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    A55 is alive...let's bring it. It helps the team....period.
    Objctive number one for Area 55 might need to be finding a new abbreviation...

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    I think overall Pacers fans are no longer spoiled - they might have been a little bit back in 2000.

    I do think Colts fans are spoiled right now

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    Since our best season ('03-'04, 61-21), the Pacers have averaged 37 wins over the last six years.

    We were spoiled in the 90's with 5 appearances in the ECF Finals, but sports are cyclical. As bad as the Pacers and Colts were in the 80's, drafting at the beginning is supposed to lead to recovery. One might argue that it should have happened more quickly, but bad drafts and trades and injuries happen.

    JOB isn't Carlisle, Bird or Brown, but at least he's not Isaiah. I'm not sure after the Artest debacle that one can say Pacer fans are spoiled. We were on the cusp of a championship and it didn't happen. If anything, we're recovering cynics and have much bitterness. The 90's, Jordan and the Bulls dominated and the Eastern Conference was extremely tough (Knicks, Pistons).

    As for the 2006 draft, there was Rondo, Farmar and Milsap available. With Shawne, it was a roll of the dice. Same with Harrison.

    I like our team and am looking forward to the season. We're young and coming out of rebuilding.

    I really think that Roy is past his awkward stage, though. His fouls decreased last year dramatically and he's really worked hard the last 2 years to develop his game and body.

    Collison, Granger, and Roy are three really good pieces. This season we'll see who else can step up.

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    I thinks someone has Colts fans and Pacers fans confused.
    There was a time where Pacers fans were spoiled and Colts fans were not.

    Hopefully it can all balance out.

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    Nice post.

    Is it really the novice fans who need to alter their appreciation? As I read this forum over the past couple of years, it is more often the mature fans in their 40s who have a sour, intransigent attitude and a clouded judgment.

    The younger folks here have some odd notions about punctuation, but their attitude toward the team seems more open-minded and hopeful than that of the older guys.

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    Of course it has been many of those mature fans who have shelling out money for a product that was not only inferior, but an embarassment as well. There has been nothing wrong in my opinion with these folks expecting more in value than they have been receiving.

    I went through the bad team 80s and I had season tickets. As Buck stated we hoped and longed just to make the playoffs. There was apathy no doubt, but there was not actual hate like just a few years ago. Don't worry this team has finally got over the general hate, still some apathy, but I do get a sense at least the Pacers are now getting back into the morning office conversations.

    Even when the Pacers were at their worst and not making the playoffs....there was a 5 season span between when they had played and then finally made it back. If we do not make it to the playoffs this year, it will equal the longest no playoff streak we have had in Pacers (including ABA) history.
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    I'm split on this.

    ...as a Lions fan, I agree that the Pacers fans are, indeed very, very spoiled. I'd give my right arm for just one .500 season.

    ...as a Pistons fan? This is like the least memorable season I can remember, repeated over and over again for 30 years.

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