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    This is the place to discuss Pacers4Life and his texting style, so as now to disrupt all the other threads on other matters.

    You know, this "discussion" with our new favorite 17 year old may be a precursor to a serious philosophical and practical battles in our culture ten or twenty years from now.

    It all depends on if texting continues to be very dominant (sorry Peck) in the years to come. (For instance, voice recognition could take some steam out of it.) But if it does, then we may see a battle between what is correct grammar. I mean, we don't use Shakespearian English any more, and those guys told Chaucer to take a hike.

    So who knows?
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    “People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown

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    It is the internet, who cares

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    I'm 61 years old, and I have no clue what the kid is saying -- but then there are other things that throw me, too. I have to stop and think hard about which player goes with which initials. And, I swear that everytime I hear the name Paul George, my first thought is where are John and Ringo?

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    That's what Chaucer said.
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    “People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown

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    I'm 61 years old, and I have no clue what the kid is saying -- but then there are other things that throw me, too. I have to stop and think hard about which player goes with which initials. And, I swear that everytime I hear the name Paul George, my first thought is where are John and Ringo?
    Good one.

    Also, "PG" can also mean point guard.
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    wow u made a thead about this lol wat a joke nothing better 2 do???

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    wow u made a thead about this lol wat a joke nothing better 2 do???
    Actually, didn't want to waste time in bball threads discussing it. This is the better place.

    "Nothing better to do?"—actually, many of the guys on this board have better things to do than try to decipher your texting. They are giving up their valuable time to try to work through it with you. As am I.
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    “People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown

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    how do i ignore a thead lol

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    Actually, didn't want to waste time in bball threads discussing it. This is the better place.

    "Nothing better to do?"—actually, many of the guys on this board have better things to do than try to decipher your texting. They are giving up their valuable time to try to work through it with you. As am I.
    WOW....giving up their valuable time reading his posts? Get outta here, it must not be that valuable to begin with if they are choosing to spend it on a message board.

    How about you just let them choose whether they want to spend the time reading his posts or not.

    Absolutely no need to call out a poster and ridicule their grammar by starting a thread about it.

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    WOW....giving up their valuable time reading his posts? Get outta here, it must not be that valuable to begin with if they are choosing to spend it on a message board.

    How about you just let them choose whether they want to spend the time reading his posts or not.

    Absolutely no need to call out a poster and ridicule their grammar by starting a thread about it.
    You need to reread the OP. That's anything but ridicule.
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    WOW....giving up their valuable time reading his posts? Get outta here, it must not be that valuable to begin with if they are choosing to spend it on a message board.

    How about you just let them choose whether they want to spend the time reading his posts or not.

    Absolutely no need to call out a poster and ridicule their grammar by starting a thread about it.
    ya lol i should pay them for their time they spend reading my post lol because their time is so valuable and i have mind controll and make them read my posts LOL HA lol

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    I don't think it's meant to ridicule, but to inform.

    While it's pacer4ever's "right" to speak/write anyway he wishes, sometimes exercising that "right" isn't the best way to go about it.

    We all make concessions to live together in society. I don't think slowing down and actually spelling out words is all that big of a deal.

    Does it really pain someone to add the 'h' in the word "what?" Seriously, you save how much time by saying "wat" instead? Putting the word "2" in place of "to" saves how much time?

    If I wanted too, I could go around and call people names all day long. It's well within my right. But would someone argue in my defense when/if I got banned? I'm not saying he should be banned, I'm saying sometimes exercising your right, just isn't right......

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    ya lol i should pay them for their time they spend reading my post lol because their time is so valuable and i have mind controll and make them read my posts LOL HA lol
    I've read this argument from you multiple times, and each time it confuses me just as much as the last time.

    Obviously you want people to read your posts, or you wouldn't post. You think you can add value to this forum, or you wouldn't take up your time.

    Do you talk to walls? Probably not, because it would be pointless. The wall can't interact with you. But yet you sit back and try to say whether or not people read your posts doesn't matter to you. Well, I call bull****.

    And I fear every time the subject is brought up, it only hardens your stance to do it the way you want. You don't want to "give in."

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    yo man i dun under stand y thur b so much haterate going on 4 the way we talk these days it ain't so bad txting is ez nd fun nd sumtimes u jus need to be all abt da speed so watever mang.


    I mean a make a conscious effort not to type like I text, but sometimes its just so easy. I mean when you text and you're in a high pressure situation (in class, with a girl, etc), you gotta go for the speed.

    And sometimes that speed just translates into real life. Its easy and most youngins can read it.

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    You need to reread the OP. That's anything but ridicule.
    The way I'm seeing it, you started this thread as a means for everyone to jump in and pile on this kid's poor grammar. As a way to tell him that he needs to conform to the group think, typical PD group think strikes again. If his posts are so offensive to comprehend then don't read them, either he will edit his grammar better or get tired of it all and stop posting.

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    ya man if like there was a real problem u had wit the way he writes then y do dis in such a public forum if it aint meant 2 b sum kind of haterate or nothin. jus sayin.

    if dis was such a big problem as u say it is then mayb sumone come in and jus stop it but no need to go out and disrespect so much.

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    I've read this argument from you multiple times, and each time it confuses me just as much as the last time.

    Obviously you want people to read your posts, or you wouldn't post. You think you can add value to this forum, or you wouldn't take up your time.

    Do you talk to walls? Probably not, because it would be pointless. The wall can't interact with you. But yet you sit back and try to say whether or not people read your posts doesn't matter to you. Well, I call bull****.

    And I fear every time the subject is brought up, it only hardens your stance to do it the way you want. You don't want to "give in."
    I think your BS meter is way off, most young people don't give a damn what people think about them. I'm 29, and a decade ago I didn't give a crap as to what people thought of me or what I said and how I said it. A 19 year old only cares about sports, girls, money, and doing things the way they want to do them. Its part of growing up. Trying to control a 19-20 year old is about as futile as talking to wall...

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    I've read this argument from you multiple times, and each time it confuses me just as much as the last time.

    Obviously you want people to read your posts, or you wouldn't post. You think you can add value to this forum, or you wouldn't take up your time.

    Do you talk to walls? Probably not, because it would be pointless. The wall can't interact with you. But yet you sit back and try to say whether or not people read your posts doesn't matter to you. Well, I call bull****.

    And I fear every time the subject is brought up, it only hardens your stance to do it the way you want. You don't want to "give in."
    wow lol u are out of touch with the bs meter lol it isnt about "givin in" i come here to get news and rumors on the pacers thats it
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    since86 its just a way we talk don't try to read any more into it than there is.

    i think we shuld be able 2 type in watever fashion we think is right man, whether i be on a hardcore srs pacer forum where dis kind of type aint so liked but still dun mean we can't type dis way.

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    This is a long-running debate already playing itself out with several different existing dialects. There's always a dominant dialect--in our case Standard Written English, the dialect of the powerful + influential (and white). Ragging on p4e for textspeak is the same as those who rag on blacks for not conjugating their to be verbs ("he be running") when speaking Black Vernacular English. Us Indiana hillbilly folks face a similar situation with words like warsh and y'all, or the way we truncate our -ing endings. etc. When one speaks in variant dialect among users of the dominant dialect, it's done either to make a statement, or out of naivete. Variant dialect speaking to variant dialect is a show of warmth, brotherhood.

    Variant dialects (including textspk) have their own grammar, and it takes just as much intelligence to deploy it eloquently as it does SWE. It's a mostly irritating rhetorical choice, sure, but no more so than kemo's stream-of-consciousness, punctuation-less style. The extra ire p4e draws is probably because of our built-in revulsion for anything other than what we see as The Only Correct English Grammar. . . . which really isn't totally fair, or really very nice at all. And if it bugs you that much, there's always the ignore feature.
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    This is a long-running debate already playing itself out with several different existing dialects. There's always a dominant dialect--in our case Standard Written English, the dialect of the powerful + influential (and white). Ragging on p4e for textspeak is the same as those who rag on blacks for not conjugating their to be verbs ("he be running") when speaking Black Vernacular English. Us Indiana hillbilly folks face a similar situation with words like warsh and y'all, or the way we truncate our -ing endings. etc. When one speaks in variant dialect among users of the dominant dialect, it's done either to make a statement, or out of naivete. Variant dialect speaking to variant dialect is a show of warmth, brotherhood.

    Variant dialects (including textspk) have their own grammar, and it takes just as much intelligence to deploy it eloquently as it does SWE. It's a mostly irritating rhetorical choice, sure, but no more so than kemo's stream-of-consciousness, punctuation-less style. The extra ire p4e draws is probably because of our built-in revulsion for anything other than what we see as The Only Correct English Grammar. . . . which really isn't totally fair, or really very nice at all. And if it bugs you that much, there's always the ignore feature.
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    since86 its just a way we talk don't try to read any more into it than there is.

    i think we shuld be able 2 type in watever fashion we think is right man, whether i be on a hardcore srs pacer forum where dis kind of type aint so liked but still dun mean we can't type dis way.
    There really is no law to it. That's part of why it's fascinating, as Anthem mentioned in the hijacked thread.

    The law is: Love thy neighbor. There is also the law of self-interest: if you want to be influential, then you need to tailor your communication appropriately.

    Language changes. Constantly. But there are also rules. Yet, how long do they last, and who agrees to the changes?
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    But there are also rules. Yet, how long do they last, and who agrees to the changes?
    Rules for certain situations. Linguistic snobbery is usually the result of thinking the rules for one situation must apply to every situation. (Not implying you've done this.)

    The keen speaker stays aware of the situation and bends or works within the rules to his benefit. is p4e a keen speaker? He's got us debating the merit of txtspk; maybe that was his goal. Dunno. If his goal was to have his sports opinions taken as seriously within this forum as someone like UB or Peck, then clearly he's failing so far. (Not near enough dancing fruit, for starters.)
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    Let's be clear about one thing - a lot of kids think that "any" is spelled "ne" or that the two spellings are interchangeable in any setting. I'm talking about the kids who are not paying attention in school (oblivious), or worse, believe that what is being taught in school doesn't matter (willfully ignorant).

    I occasionally have to put out ads to get part-time help in my studio. The gig doesn't pay much, so I get all sorts of folks from all walks of life applying. It would shock you - SHOCK YOU - how many young applicants can't form a coherent sentence. It's just plain embarrassing. Do they ever get hired? HELL NO. Not by me. No way.

    Fact is, even if a job doesn't involve any language skills whatsoever, language skills are needed to get the job in the first place. And once the job is acquired, language skills will certainly be necessary to rise up.

    One fascinating aspect to this situation is that a micro trend is forming: a larger number of children in the poorest neighborhoods - without means to own a cell phone or computer - are actually leap-frogging over the underperforming kids that have greater access to these devices.
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