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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

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  • Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

    I think most of us agree that Granger needs another star by him to get us to that next level. I was curious to see if anyone had suggestions on a realstic target either this year or next, that would be considered a star to pair with Granger.

    I was thinking Hortford but not sure if he is considerd a "star"

    any other thoughts?
    Sittin on top of the world!

  • #2
    Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

    Ricky Rubio
    JOB is a silly man

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    • #3
      Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

      We just traded for him, and his name is Darren Collison.


      also,

      HORFORD is the proper spelling

      http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6612

      After three seasons of increasingly productive play from center Al Horford, the Hawks have decided they want him for the long term.

      The feeling is mutual for Horford, who said team officials and his agent, Arn Tellem, have started negotiations on a contract extension.

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      • #4
        Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

        Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
        We just traded for him, and his name is Darren Collison.


        also,

        HORFORD is the proper spelling

        http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6612

        After three seasons of increasingly productive play from center Al Horford, the Hawks have decided they want him for the long term.

        The feeling is mutual for Horford, who said team officials and his agent, Arn Tellem, have started negotiations on a contract extension.
        yes Darren looks like a really special player. Also if roy can step his game up like last night. We should just wait for free agency next year. If PG24 devolpes he could be a star in 2 yrs and very good for a long time.

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        • #5
          Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

          My hope is maybe the combination of Collison, Roy, Granger and George and with what will probably need to be an upgrade at power forward will be enough in another couple of seasons. Who knows if that will be championship caliber, but I could envision that being the core of a 50 win team, and if you get to that level then you tweak and see what you can do.

          That is the theory anyways.

          As a practical matter, I don't know if we are going to be able to get a player better than Granger and be able to keep this core together - unless we get crazy lucky in the draft

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          • #6
            Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

            Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
            Ricky Rubio
            We have Darren.

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            • #7
              Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

              .....Larry Brown

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              • #8
                Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                I am pretty content to go with what we have until next summer. I would love for Bird to pull off another bolckbuster trade, but we already got one this summer and 2 is too much to ask for.
                Horford's agent is in discussion with Atlanta brass for a new schedule, so he might not even be available next summer. If Josh and Tyler don't pan out this year, then maybe we go for Landry. We might also be looking to upgrade the SG position next summer if B.Rush is the same and George doesn't look ready to play.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                  Mike was kind of like the co-star in 07-08 and it looks like he's back himself.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                    Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                    We have Darren.
                    Neither Rubio or Darren are close to star Quality... especially not rubio
                    Why so SERIOUS

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                      Also my goal for the Pacers are not to just win games but to bring us a/multiple championship... My guess is that to do this we will have to either hit it rich in the draft and get lucky by drafting a super star or do some monster trade that dramatically makes our team better.

                      For the next 5-6 years I don't really see many teams competing with the Lakers, Magic, Celtics, Heat, Thunder in the playoffs.

                      Just my view, to add to that most most rookies take atleast 3 to mature to being all star level players in the NBA anyways so yeah I guess I feel that we are a long way from having a team that can compete for a NBA championship.

                      But after saying all that it would be a good feeling just to see the Pacers in the Playoffs this year even if it isn't a championship
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        My hope is maybe the combination of Collison, Roy, Granger and George and with what will probably need to be an upgrade at power forward will be enough in another couple of seasons. Who knows if that will be championship caliber, but I could envision that being the core of a 50 win team, and if you get to that level then you tweak and see what you can do.

                        That is the theory anyways.

                        As a practical matter, I don't know if we are going to be able to get a player better than Granger and be able to keep this core together - unless we get crazy lucky in the draft
                        Maybe we save our cap space until 2012 and get someone from that class?
                        Sittin on top of the world!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                          Granger's a star?
                          STARBURY

                          08 and Beyond

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                            Wow a robermto sighting to bash Danny. You got your dig in, you can now return to your hole.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              Re: Is their another "star" to pair with Granger we can go after?

                              http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/19/15...armelo-anthony
                              By Matthew O'Brien

                              THE PRIZE
                              1. Carmelo Anthony (ETO). Carmelo is to 2011 what LeBron was to 2010. Except next summer, there aren't a host of other veritable superstars available as well, like there was this past one. So if Carmelo does turn down Denver's standing extension offer -- potentially leaving tens of millions on the table if he waits for the new CBA -- every team with cap space and/or sign-and-trade assets will likely make a push for the former Syracuse star. The Knicks, of course, figure to be prominently involved.

                              THE GATORS
                              2. Al Horford (R). There's no way the Hawks will let Horford leave...but let's perform a thought experiment: Atlanta get waxed in the second round again next spring. After committing $119 million to Joe Johnson, will Atlanta send themselves into luxury tax hell with a pricey extension for Al Horford? They couldn't afford not to, which means Josh Smith might be on the market soon, as Atlanta might look to clear salary to make keeping Horford more palatable.

                              THE QUESTION-MARK BIGS
                              4. Greg Oden (R). What is an injury-prone, physically dominating, soon-to-be 23-year old center worth? That's the question the Blazers have to figure out, as they decide whether to keep Oden. When healthy last season, Oden put up All-Star caliber numbers, although the key here is "when healthy". How much will teams be willing to pony up for a player who's only played one of his first three seasons, assuming the Blazers don't extend him?

                              5. Yao Ming (U). What is an injury-prone, vertically imposing, soon-to-be 30 year old center worth? And one who happens to be a one-man marketing team in the most populous nation on the planet? Rockets GM Daryl Morey would be loath to let the Chinese big man walk, but if Yao's recurring foot problems revisit him, will Houston be forced to go in another direction next summer?

                              THE NEXT BEST
                              6. Tony Parker (U). Gregg Popovich is so infatuated with second-year guard George Hill that the Spurs were reportedly shopping Parker this summer to create more cap flexibility for themselves (at least before Richard Jefferson did them a gargantuan favor and inexplicably opted out of his $15 million for 2010). While Parker's lack of range on his shot limits him from reaching the pinnacle of NBA point guards, his still lightning-quick first step makes him a dangerous player, especially for an uptempo team (the Knicks, if they can't land Chris Paul?)

                              7. Marc Gasol (R). While the Grizzlies have (rightfully) gotten lambasted for essentially giving Pau Gasol away and instantly turning the Lakers into an mini-dynasty, Memphis did get something back in that much-lampooned trade: Pau's little brother, Marc Gasol. And as NBA cognoscenti can tell you, Marc developed into an indispensable contributor for the Grizzlies last season, averaging 14.6 points and 9.3 rebounds per game (and a PER of 19.3). It's hard to predict what a franchise that hands out $80 million to Rudy Gay, but then gets in a pissing match with Xavier Henry over $300k will do, but they should keep Gasol.

                              8. Caron Butler (U). Butler will soon be 30-years old and isn't quite good enough to justify his propensity for killing ball movement with an assortment of not-so-dizzying ball fakes, but he is still a quite useful player. He's a more than good enough scorer and tenacious rebounder; in the right system (and for the right price), that is plenty valuable.

                              9. Tim Duncan (ETO). There's no chance Duncan leaves the Spurs, but technically, he can become a free agent next summer if he wants to. Moving on, nothing to see here.

                              10. David West (ETO). West's future with New Olreans likely comes down to what their plans for Chris Paul are. If the cash-hemorrhaging Hornets decide to pull off a mega-deal for Paul, West will likely be gone as well, as they go into full cost-cutting mode. If they hold onto Paul, however, and try to convince him to stay (Paul is a free agent in 2012), they'd almost have to keep West and try to package their young talent for a bigger piece.

                              THE NOT QUITE ALL-STARS
                              11. Nene Hilario (ETO). Would you believe that Nene is only 27-years old? Dogged by knee injuries, Nene is nonetheless a tantalizing player when healthy: rugged in the paint, but also a versatile, skilled offensive player with a certain passing panache for a big man (at least in the non-Darko category of bigs). If Carmelo leaves Mile High, Nene very well might as well, assuming he can stay healthy.

                              12. Aaron Brooks (R). Daryl Morey has been stockpiling assets, so there's little chance he'll let the diminutive Brooks leave Houston without getting something in return. After striking out in free agency this summer (Chris Bosh had been their preferred target) and with Yao's future with the club so uncertain, it's even more imperative for the Rockets to land a superstar who can take their roster to contending status. Don't be shocked if Brooks is part of a sign-and-trade deal for someone like Carmelo or Chris Paul.

                              13. Jason Richardson (U). The former Michigan State star will be 31-years old next summer, so he's just on the downside of his career, but his accuracy from long range and versatile offensive game should make him an interesting option as a No. 3 or 4 scorer on a contender.

                              14. Carl Landry (U). Landry is Paul Milsap 2.0. Both were overlooked in the draft due to being undersized to play inside, but both have established themselves as tough rebounders with solid mid-range games. Expect Landry to command at least the full mid-level, if not more.

                              15. Mo Williams (ETO). There's suddenly one big reason less to stay in Cleveland. Williams was obviously distraught at "The Decision", but a season of running the show along with Antawn Jamison as the top two options for the Cavs might be enough to make Williams be the next to bolt from Cleveland

                              THE RESTRICTED ROLE PLAYERS
                              16. Jared Dudley (R). The former BC star has embraced his ultimate NBA destiny as a super-sub, lighting it up from deep off the bench, and being an all-around great chemistry guy. He'd be valuable to any number of contending clubs, and knowing the cheapness of Robert Sarver, it wouldn't be shocking to see the Suns let him walk if he gets a lucrative enough offer elsewhere.

                              17. Jeff Green (R). Russell Westbrook has emerged as the sidekick to Kevin Durant that people imagined Green would be, and that might make Green expendable for the Thunder. If Sam Presti can keep Green for around the mid-level, expect him to stay in Oklahoma City; if not, don't be surprised to see him suit up elsewhere.

                              18. Rodney Stuckey (R). Stuckey is big and he can certainly score, so look for the Pistons to hold onto him. Still, he won't be nearly as valuable if he has to move over to the two-guard spot, which is a distinct possibility given his embryonic playmaking skills.

                              19.WIlson Chandler (R). Depending on how much cap flexibility the Knicks want next summer, as they ostensibly pursue trades for Carmelo Anthony and/or Chris Paul, Chandler could either be part of a sign-and-trade or let go to maximize room under the cap.

                              20. Thaddeus Young (R). After a promising rookie campaign, Young regressed in his sophomore season with the Sixers. Maybe that was head coach Eddie Jordan's fault for under-utilizing him, but expect Philadelphia to wait until next summer before deciding whether to keep him or not.

                              21. Marcus Thornton (R). As with David West, Thornton's future hinges on what New Orleans does with Chris Paul. If the Hornets move their all-everything point guard, they could look to build around a backcourt of Thornton -- whom the team struck gold with in last year's second round -- and Darren Collison. If the Hornets elect to keep building around Paul and try to convince him to stay in New Orleans, Thornton would likely be their top tradeable asset, along with Collison. Regardless, Thornton figures to get quite a raise next summer.

                              22. Glen Davis (U). Alright, Davis won't be a restricted free agent, but he should be one of the top role players available next summer. With so much salary committed to the Big Three Four, don't be surprised if the another team outbids the Celtics for his services and promises him a starting spot. Although, with Garnett, Allen and O'Neal's salaries coming off the books after 2011, Boston could conceivably keep Big Baby if they're willing to accept one particularly onerous luxury tax season
                              Of the entire list the only potentials I see are David West and JAson Richardson, not sure if either is a 'Star"
                              Sittin on top of the world!

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