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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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PD Ideas for Area 55

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  • #16
    Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

    Loy-al-ty chants for Lebron

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    • #17
      Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

      My feeling is that it has to be something unique to Pacers basketball. It's easy to take something some other team uses and chant it. I want it to be something Indiana Pacers fans are known to chant. Also, i'd love to see more of a college atmosphere as far as chanting. Have chants non stop. Examples...


      When on offense.

      SCORE THE ROCK SCORE THE ROCK SCORE THE ROCK

      or on defense maybe

      GET THAT BALL GET THAT BALL GET THAT BALL

      both with the 3 beats over the loud speaker.

      It's not about what you say or how funny it is. It's about how much you do it and how passionate it is.

      Difficult chants dont resonate through out the the arena. Simple but good chants catch on. And the whole arena will be chanting them.

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      • #18
        Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

        BigJon7501 came up with this on Friday night and I think I heard others saying it afterwards so it must have caught on a little:

        Saying "Juuuuuuuuuice!!!" after AJ makes a shot or a great pass like when Reds fans yell "Bruuuuuuuuuce" when Jay Bruce is at the plate.
        Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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        • #19
          Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

          Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
          Josh-Mc-Rob-erts!
          Josh needs a section called the "McBob Squad" or something.

          Maybe in your section Duke.

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          • #20
            Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

            @ Lebron "No third person"


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            • #21
              Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

              I don't see a Kaaaaaahn! chant being at all meaningful. It's not like the t'wolves players are going to be bothered because we're making fun of their President of basketball ops.

              Would it really bother Pacers enough to affect their game, if we went to some other city and their fans started making fun of David Morway or Larry Bird?

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              • #22
                Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                I don't see a Kaaaaaahn! chant being at all meaningful. It's not like the t'wolves players are going to be bothered because we're making fun of their President of basketball ops.

                Would it really bother Pacers enough to affect their game, if we went to some other city and their fans started making fun of David Morway or Larry Bird?
                Agreed. Too obscure. Too "inside basketball"

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                • #23
                  Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                  It's probably just me, but I'd rather see the section focus on cheering FOR the Pacers rather than jeering AGAINST the opponent. Keeping positive fires everyone up, getting negative can too easily devolve into an insult battle and nobody feels good after it.

                  Non-specific distractions (I very much enjoy the various free-throw dribble counts used by the Drum Corps, for example) are fine. Calling out a specific player, especially for off the court issues, is low class at best and risks firing them up at worst. Remember "Che-ryl, Che-ryl" anyone?

                  I am a believer in the Woof Gods and the Anvil of Basketball Karma.

                  Speaking of the Drum Corps, if they are at games this year be sure to coordinate with them on some stuff. They are always involved and rowdy and cool (Nothing against the Pep Band, I think the drummers fall through a loophole in the "distracting music" NBA rule).
                  BillS

                  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                  Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                  • #24
                    Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                    I'm getting these all down. Secretary of Chants is setting up a data base of stuff we will consider using at games. I'll pass it on to him for consideration and inclusion.

                    There are a lot of great ideas in this thread. Kudos to everyone. As Kielbeze said, "There are no bad ideas." What seems simple or trite, with some tweaking, could be developed into great cheers or chants.

                    It seems to me that Area 55 ought to have a couple of goals:

                    (1) We want to be a catalyst -- We want to do at least some things that will be joined in by the crowd. We need to get the whole arena involved in at least some of our stuff. We need at least some simple cheers that everyone will join in on just to make the place raucous and loud. The idea is make Conseco a "pit' where no one wants to come to play against us.

                    (2) We want to have some clever, innovative, and funny stuff. Stuff that people will leave the arena grinning about.

                    (3) We want stuff that fires up our own players. When one of our players gets a hot hand, we want to reinforce the damage, chant his nickname, reward him for what he's doing.

                    (4) We DO want to get in an opposing player's head! We don't need to be vulgar, profane, or crude. We don't need to be talking about their criminal issues or family life. But if they have some other sort of weakness, well too bad for them. I'm all for exploiting it.

                    (5) We don't need to ride the referees. But I say no really bad call should go unnoticed. Personally, I hate it when Roy gets benched on touch fouls. When O'Brien gets T-eed for defending his players, we need to join in. When Granger or Dunleavy gets hacked and there's no call, well, I see it as part of our mission to respond and have their back.

                    (6) At all times we must be squarely behind our Players, our staff, and our management. We should never do anything that could be remotely construed as dissing anyone connected with them.

                    (7) The way I see it, Hibbert was kind enough to give me a season pass and the least I can do is be there at the games, giving what's happening on the floor my full attention, and doing my best to make him proud of selecting me for the favor. I do nothing to embarass him or the Pacers. I do everything I can to be loud, raucous, and crazy.

                    Just thinking out loud. But I regard some of the above things as my own personal Area55 Mission Statement.

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                    • #25
                      Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                      I really like everyone falling down when a Pacer makes a three.

                      Also, for AJ Price, someone shouts

                      "You wanna know what we say in the club?"

                      and everyone else says

                      "AY JAY JAY!"

                      This is of course like the horrible and popular song a couple years ago "Aybaybay"
                      DG for 3

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                      • #26
                        Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                        Idea: Before the tip off we all jump up and down and yell, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" Then when the ball is back tapped and in control by another player (either team) we yell, "P A C E R S! PACERS PACERS PACERS!!!!" Stealing that idea from the New York Jets, if that doesn't fly then we should find a new chant to yell after the jump ball.

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                        • #27
                          Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                          On the list of franchises I'd like to steal from taking the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS chant is right at the bottom.


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                          • #28
                            Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                            Originally posted by greenway84
                            tweeked
                            This might get me in trouble, but I think whenever Lebron is shooting freethrows everyone should sing the chorus to the scissor sisters song "take your mama"
                            Danger Zone

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                            • #29
                              Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                              Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                              This might get me in trouble, but I think whenever Lebron is shooting freethrows everyone should sing the chorus to the scissor sisters song "take your mama"
                              or just chant Dwest lol

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                              • #30
                                Re: PD Ideas for Area 55

                                Originally posted by greenway84
                                Michael Beasley - not worth cap space
                                Corey Brewer - ?
                                Jonny Flynn - your no rubio
                                Kevin Love - peaked in college
                                Darko Milicic - draft night mistake
                                Luke Ridnour - ?
                                Anthony Tolliver - back to d-league
                                Martell Webster - ?
                                I think for all members of team USA this season we should at least once chant USA and say thank you or american hero. I love international basketball and i'm glad after 16 yrs we finally won a world championship.

                                or Darko not worth cap space they signed him to 4yrs 20mil lol.


                                Brandon Jennings- he took his starting spot last year

                                trailblazers- cause they are actually a playoff team
                                Last edited by pacer4ever; 10-12-2010, 02:04 PM.

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