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  • #31
    Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    DJones should not be playing. That much is easy.

    Now, for some painful truth about Brandon Rush. Rush is NEVER going to be a productive starting SG in the NBA. Also, he is not the guy you need to shoot daggers ala Reggie Miller. It just isn't going to happen. He may shoot for a decent percentage, but his forte will be defense...so he should come off the bench and be used to slow down scoring wings. That is the extent of what I expect from Rush and the extent the Pacers should try to use him.

    Instead, it is time to start grooming George for the position. Allow Dunleavy to start until George shows he can own the position. Have Rush be 3rd string off the bench or when an athletic defender is absolutely needed.
    Is this a basketball decision or is your choice because Rush got suspended? sometimes I think people want to play the choir boy in Dunleavy because he is a nicer guy and does not get in trouble even though he is not that good anymore.
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    • #32
      Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      DJones should not be playing. That much is easy.

      Now, for some painful truth about Brandon Rush. Rush is NEVER going to be a productive starting SG in the NBA. Also, he is not the guy you need to shoot daggers ala Reggie Miller. It just isn't going to happen. He may shoot for a decent percentage, but his forte will be defense...so he should come off the bench and be used to slow down scoring wings. That is the extent of what I expect from Rush and the extent the Pacers should try to use him.

      Instead, it is time to start grooming George for the position. Allow Dunleavy to start until George shows he can own the position. Have Rush be 3rd string off the bench or when an athletic defender is absolutely needed.
      I agree with you 100%.

      Brandon is athletic enough to guard other athletic wings in the NBA. He should focus on defense and look to score off of steals and deflections where he uses his speed to get out on the break. He can also shoot it when his confidence is up or the team is doing well and he's in the flow of the game.

      Dahntay just doesn't have ANY offense and he's not even that great of a defensive player. I never understood WHY LB even signed him (although it was said for his defense). I mean, Denver, didn't want him back and it's obvious WHY they didn't want him. He can't shoot it when open and he can't finish at the rim on a consistent basis (if he even get's there).

      George needs alot of work. His shooting touch is 'lost in action' right now. He doesn't understand how to score against NBA defenses and, on offense, I'm not certain his best position is at SG. I'd like to see him at SG but he's needs to find other ways to score if his shot isn't falling. With his length and size, he should be able to get inside and 'pass' the rock after drawing the defender. Eventually, he'll be able to score with a variety of bank shots, tear drops, and fade-away jumpers. Unfortunately, he's one or two years away from developing this scoring skill level. He's still 'stuck' in college mode and/or he's not understanding JOB's offense. He's needs to to quit 'thinking' so much and just play the game that comes natural to him.

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      • #33
        Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Is this a basketball decision or is your choice because Rush got suspended? sometimes I think people want to play the choir boy in Dunleavy because he is a nicer guy and does not get in trouble even though he is not that good anymore.
        I think most people choose Dunleavy to start over Rush not only because he's the choir boy, but he's also better than Rush.

        He's more efficient, better passing, better and more willing shooter, better team defender, gets to the line, and is a smarter player.

        Rush only has set shot threes and man to man defense.

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        • #34
          Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

          Originally posted by ThA HoyA View Post
          If we go off of "steals" then iverson was one of the best defenders of all time.
          Steals don't make you a good defender. Staying in front of your man, contesting the shot, deflections...... those are things that put fear and doubt in an opponet head.... IMO
          I'm not perfect and neither are you.

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          Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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          • #35
            Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

            Originally posted by TooBigNdaPaint View Post

            George needs alot of work. His shooting touch is 'lost in action' right now. He doesn't understand how to score against NBA defenses and, on offense, I'm not certain his best position is at SG. I'd like to see him at SG but he's needs to find other ways to score if his shot isn't falling. With his length and size, he should be able to get inside and 'pass' the rock after drawing the defender. Eventually, he'll be able to score with a variety of bank shots, tear drops, and fade-away jumpers.

            Unfortunately, he's one or two years away from developing this scoring skill level. He's still 'stuck' in college mode and/or he's not understanding JOB's offense. He's needs to to quit 'thinking' so much and just play the game that comes natural to him.
            He's being a young rookie.

            He's going to learn how to get spacing for his shot, he's going to know where his shots are going to come from, he's going to know when to attack, and his jumper is going to be better year after year.

            Everyone will be suprised how much he will improve from year 1 to 2 to 3.

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            • #36
              Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

              Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
              I think most people choose Dunleavy to start over Rush not only because he's the choir boy, but he's also better than Rush.

              He's more efficient, better passing, better and more willing shooter, better team defender, gets to the line, and is a smarter player.

              Rush only has set shot threes and man to man defense.
              Better defender?

              Dunleavy was all that you are talking about, he is not that anymore, I guess you haven't seen him playing in the last two years.

              I also know that the preseason is the preseason but Dunleavy is looking horrible, he is slow on defense and his guys scores at will even if that guy is the 12th man on the other teams roster, Vince Carter was abusing him in all the possible ways.
              Last edited by vnzla81; 10-10-2010, 02:48 PM.
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              • #37
                Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                Originally posted by Hibbert View Post

                + Has solid, high-arcing lefty jumper


                LEFTY jumper??

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                • #38
                  Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Better defender?

                  .
                  I like the way you twist things and leave out the most important words.

                  Here is what I actually said:

                  Better TEAM defender

                  Mike Dunleavy is a better team defender than Brandon Rush. Watch the Orlando game for proof. Then watch the Houston game to see how Brandon was absolutely no where to be found when Yao got the ball in the very low post.

                  And don't bring up that charge on Yao. That was off of his own careless turnnover that no one with any basketball IQ would do.

                  Dunleavy was all that you are talking about, he is not that anymore, I guess you haven't seen him playing in the last two years.
                  Considering that he was playing with absolutely no legs with zero confidence...

                  I also know that the preseason is the preseason but Dunleavy is looking horrible, he is slow on defense and his guys scores at will even if that guy is the 12th man on the other teams roster, Vince Carter was abusing him in all the possible ways.
                  And if he wouldn't have doubled Dwight DH would have been the one with 35 points. Vince had his first two points from a step back off Dunleavy. Anytime you get someone to do a step back not named Kobe Bryant you have probably done your job. Then Granger was on VC when he went under a screen and Vince splashed the three. George came in and didn't close out on Vince. By the time Mike came in Vince was already going off.

                  Pick your poison until Danny decides to play team defense as well. When you play Orlando you have to have people scrambling all over the place to get them to struggle. Ask Boston or Atlanta.
                  Last edited by BringJackBack; 10-10-2010, 03:01 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                    LEFTY jumper??
                    John Hollinger doesn't know the difference between Kareem and Brandon.

                    He got them mixed up. There's your baskeball guru for ya.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                      Why would you bring the athletic good 1-1 defender off the bench to guard very good scoring guards?? Those scoring guards are in the starting lineup. Also rush is the 4th option... He's not a go to guy... Period. His role can't be any better suited especially now when the focus is on hibbert and the inside game. Inside out offense, pick and roll offense, rush being a spot up shooter is perfect. Especially when the team needs him to guard that player that will drop 30-40 points easily if dunleavy is guarding them. I would definitely like him to be more aggressive but he is realistically the 4th option.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                        Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                        I like the way you twist things and leave out the most important words.

                        Here is what I actually said:

                        Better TEAM defender

                        Mike Dunleavy is a better team defender than Brandon Rush. Watch the Orlando game for proof. Then watch the Houston game to see how Brandon was absolutely no where to be found when Yao got the ball in the very low post.

                        And don't bring up that charge on Yao. That was off of his own careless turnnover that no one with any basketball IQ would do.
                        The Orlando game really?? You mean when Vince Carter had how Many points? If anything that proves that rush is a way more important piece than mike.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                          Neither is the answer to this teams SG position. Then neither is Dunleavy. All 3 could be traded today, and I wouldn't be upset.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                            DJones should not be playing. That much is easy.

                            Now, for some painful truth about Brandon Rush. Rush is NEVER going to be a productive starting SG in the NBA. Also, he is not the guy you need to shoot daggers ala Reggie Miller. It just isn't going to happen. He may shoot for a decent percentage, but his forte will be defense...so he should come off the bench and be used to slow down scoring wings. That is the extent of what I expect from Rush and the extent the Pacers should try to use him.

                            Instead, it is time to start grooming George for the position. Allow Dunleavy to start until George shows he can own the position. Have Rush be 3rd string off the bench or when an athletic defender is absolutely needed.
                            Was Bruce Bowen a productive starting SF in the NBA?

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                            • #44
                              Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                              Originally posted by ThA HoyA View Post
                              The Orlando game really?? You mean when Vince Carter had how Many points? If anything that proves that rush is a way more important piece than mike.
                              I like the way you twist things and leave out the most important words.

                              Here is what I actually said:

                              Better TEAM defender

                              Mike Dunleavy is a better team defender than Brandon Rush. Watch the Orlando game for proof. Then watch the Houston game to see how Brandon was absolutely no where to be found when Yao got the ball in the very low post.

                              And don't bring up that charge on Yao. That was off of his own careless turnnover that no one with any basketball IQ would do.


                              Quote:
                              Dunleavy was all that you are talking about, he is not that anymore, I guess you haven't seen him playing in the last two years.

                              Considering that he was playing with absolutely no legs with zero confidence...


                              Quote:
                              I also know that the preseason is the preseason but Dunleavy is looking horrible, he is slow on defense and his guys scores at will even if that guy is the 12th man on the other teams roster, Vince Carter was abusing him in all the possible ways.

                              And if he wouldn't have doubled Dwight DH would have been the one with 35 points. Vince had his first two points from a step back off Dunleavy. Anytime you get someone to do a step back not named Kobe Bryant you have probably done your job. Then Granger was on VC when he went under a screen and Vince splashed the three. George came in and didn't close out on Vince. By the time Mike came in Vince was already going off.

                              Pick your poison until Danny decides to play team defense as well. When you play Orlando you have to have people scrambling all over the place to get them to struggle. Ask Boston or Atlanta.


                              Mike also was one of the main causes for Dwight going 2 for 8. Leave that out too buddy. I never gave props to Mikes man to man defense.

                              Use your common sense. Mike is better than Brandon. Brandon has never averaged double figures on 30 win teams with 30 minutes per game has a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. His man to man is great, but with no team defense and no offense what does that give you?

                              4 vs. 5

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                              • #45
                                Re: Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                Was Bruce Bowen a productive starting SF in the NBA?
                                Personally, I think Bowen was a better defender than Rush...but that's not why he was better. Bowen savored the clutch shot. Rush is the antithesis of a Reggie Miller type player. Rush hits for a good percentage but I don't think he wants the ball when the game is on the line. Call it the mental aspect of the game. Rush has everything physical but lacks a lot mentally. Bowen did not.

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