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    Bite your tongue.

    I never liked the hiring of Jimmy, but I understand the reason was a coach to hold down the fort until Bird could change things. I don't care if the Pacers make the playoffs, O'Brien has no more usefulness as the Pacers coach. A new coach that can take the Pacers to the next level is what is required. A coach who is not stubborn with a terrible case of tunnel vision that his system/style is the the only way. A coach who doesn't think the ultimate game is one with a score of 135-127 with no "D" and 3 pt shooting galore.

    4 years of Jimmy is more than enough, and as far as I'm concerned 1 year too many! I want to see the Pacers do well this year, but I want ownership and Bird to understand Jimmy's usefulness has passed. It's time to go forward with a different coach for the future.

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    All I have to say is I am ready for the game tonight. Not a super DC fan but I gues I will have to see how everything goes and hope for the best.

    P.S. I hope PG Dunks on someone today...I would loveeeeeee that

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    Jeff Van Gundy or Tyrone Corbin
    I hope Jeff Van Gundy hates being a broadcaster this year, this year, this year, this ye....

    Under new coach Jeff Van Gundy and with the signing of Al Horford, the Pacers look like a team that no one wants to play in the playoffs.

    What?!?!


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    Oh great one of wisdom

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    If he breaks the offense one time, he's got himself a DNP. He breaks the offense twice he's got himself two DNPs. He ain't gonna need no third DNP, 'cause he's gonna get his mind right.
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    If he breaks the offense one time, he's got himself a DNP. He breaks the offense twice he's got himself two DNPs. He ain't gonna need no third DNP, 'cause he's gonna get his mind right.
    Like he's going to get that reference.

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    If he breaks the offense one time, he's got himself a DNP. He breaks the offense twice he's got himself two DNPs. He ain't gonna need no third DNP, 'cause he's gonna get his mind right.
    My apologies as I thought you were referring to me, not the coach
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    I hope Jeff Van Gundy hates being a broadcaster this year, this year, this year, this ye....

    Under new coach Jeff Van Gundy and with the signing of Al Horford, the Pacers look like a team that no one wants to play in the playoffs.

    What?!?!

    Unfortunately, unless it was Walsh that was the problem with Stan, I doubt Jeff would return Larry's call.

    Wouldn't mind Horford, though.

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    I might ask this in its own thread before the season starts, but my question is:

    For those of you who are concerned that Jim won't run enough pick and rolls when Collison is on the floor. Give me a % of how many PnR you want. Would 50% be enough, do you want 75%. I would just like to know, sure it is easy to say they don't run it enough, but let me know how many you want, and then maybe we'll look at it over a 5 or 10 (regular season) game period to see what % it is being run.

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    I might ask this in its own thread before the season starts, but my question is:

    For those of you who are concerned that Jim won't run enough pick and rolls when Collison is on the floor. Give me a % of how many PnR you want. Would 50% be enough, do you want 75%. I would just like to know, sure it is easy to say they don't run it enough, but let me know how many you want, and then maybe we'll look at it over a 5 or 10 (regular season) game period to see what % it is being run.
    JOB has his preference for his offense (quick shot off of transition).

    But I'd like the PnR with Collison (or Price if he's in) to be the backup plan if they can't get a shot they want. I don't know how often that'll be, but that's what I'd like to see. Or an "option of last resort to get a good shot." (Obviously getting the ball into Hibbert is also a good idea and such, but like I said..last resort)

    So the only time I'll be unhappy is if instead of seeing the PnR, we see limited ball movement and poor shots. The PnR is a good option as a backup plan, IMO.

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    PGs usually take time to adjust to new systems,they haven't played a game yet,and J'OB is gone next year anyway. Is it rreally shocking that a system that forces PGs to play more without the ball might throw a guy who dominated the ball last season off a little bit at first? No needd to panic.
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    I might ask this in its own thread before the season starts, but my question is:

    For those of you who are concerned that Jim won't run enough pick and rolls when Collison is on the floor. Give me a % of how many PnR you want. Would 50% be enough, do you want 75%. I would just like to know, sure it is easy to say they don't run it enough, but let me know how many you want, and then maybe we'll look at it over a 5 or 10 (regular season) game period to see what % it is being run.
    I want so many picks to be set by our bigs that they must wear long sleeve shirts like Georgetown used to in an effort to hide the shoulder and upper arm bruising caused by opponents running smack into them at full speed and ending up flat on their backsides. Remember, Collison never passes the ball unless it is to feed a big. He ONLY likes PnR. It is the only play he knows how to run, isn't it?

    Come on. If the Pacers implement a properly executed and balanced passing based motion offense that has screening as a component, there will be plenty of PnR, curl moves, back cuts, and other fundamental plays that will occur within the flow of the offense.

    By the way, that also will be the indicator that the offense has actually been changed to suit Collison's skillset, as well as that of Hibbert, McRoberts, Dunleavy, Hansbrough, Rush, Price, George...nearly every significant player on the Pacers roster besides Granger, and possibly Stephenson, actually.

    The question is actually if the Pacers are in fact changing the offense. The first chance to see if that may be the case is coming right up, and once again, I hope that you are right about O'Brien changing things.
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    I called this right away he wants the ball in his hands

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    You guys get worked up far too easily, talk about beating a dead horse.
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    I might ask this in its own thread before the season starts, but my question is:

    For those of you who are concerned that Jim won't run enough pick and rolls when Collison is on the floor. Give me a % of how many PnR you want. Would 50% be enough, do you want 75%. I would just like to know, sure it is easy to say they don't run it enough, but let me know how many you want, and then maybe we'll look at it over a 5 or 10 (regular season) game period to see what % it is being run.
    I think the Pacers should be running the PnR at least on 40 possessions per game or at least on 50% of their total possessions. Their offensive style should be similar to Orlando, San Antonio, and Miami's (last year with Wade).

    For example, the Orlando Magic in games 1 and 2 in last year's playoffs ran PnR plays 61 times and scored on 55% of those plays. This article breaks it down really well:
    http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com...-pick-and-roll

    You can also visit this past thread for more good info (I just added some stats and percentages today).

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...95#post1069395
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    But that's progress, isn't it?
    Sober up, I was defending him.

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    Sober up, I was defending him.
    Heh...

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    I believe Wells did right an article about DC where it's talked about him struggling with the offense.

    Once again though, to be fair. This is not something he's used to doing, and it was the first week of practice.
    I would wager THAT is where the other guy heard the "rumor".

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    I think the Pacers should be running the PnR at least on 40 possessions per game or at least on 50% of their total possessions. Their offensive style should be similar to Orlando, San Antonio, and Miami's (last year with Wade).

    For example, the Orlando Magic in games 1 and 2 in last year's playoffs ran PnR plays 61 times and scored on 55% of those plays. This article breaks it down really well:
    http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com...-pick-and-roll

    You can also visit this past thread for more good info (I just added some stats and percentages today).

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...95#post1069395
    So the Orlando Magic, with DWIGHT HOWARD presumably involved in most of those PnR's, scored 55% of the time.
    And the Miamia Heat with DWAYNE WADE??
    San Antonio with TIM DUNCAN???

    This FROM the article you referenced: "That information shouldn't surprise anyone, though: as Bradford Doolittle wrote in his series preview, the Hawks defended the pick-and-roll miserably during the regular season, and the Magic ran it expertly. It's a case of one team's strength being another's weakness. To illustrate, here are some data"

    Gee, that is a TELLING testimonial to the PnR offense.
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    Clarification from Chip Crain:

    I can't remember where I read about the pick and roll adjustment possibly causing him problems but I suspect it was ESPN and thanks for catching the Foster typo. Greg was with the Bullets when I lived in DC. I think he actually played for a while on the Pacers too but I clearly screwed that up.

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    you kinda just specifically called out uncle buck, (first sign that you just may be trolling.)
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    As opposed to the "let's burry are head in the sand and pretend evreything is ok"

    It never ceases to amaze me how peole say basically that they cant stand a thread but take the time to comment and continue to post on it (not saying you Buck specifically)

    Maybe the writer doesnt have the high credentials some of you would like, but I am sure he didnt make this up out of the clear blue sky. I suppose if nothing comes of this than it was BS, but I am saying right now if this becomes known at any point in the season, then obviously not everyone is "looking to stir the pot"

    Obie does not like to utilize the pick and roll, one of DC's strengths

    At the begining of each season Obie has gone on record annoiting the next great PG only to bench them later on .

    Tinsley - proclaimed a great PG by Obie, starts the season only to be becnhed and cast aside from the team
    Ford - Obie excited to have him after the trade only to bench him later in favor of Jarret Jack
    Ford- Starts the season again last year only to be benched again in favor of Earl Watson

    Seeing a pattern here? or is it all the PG's fault, or Obie loves back up PG's

    It doesnt make me "negative nick' because I point out what I dont like. I am just as big a Pacer fan as those who lwant evreything fluffy and nice

    What excuse could you possibly have , if after another 4 years of losing records, consistent problems with the coach-PG relationship

    The guy is a stubborn mule who has had 4 freakin years and cant even get us to sniff the playoffs. Oh but wait the "magical run" late in the season that screwed us out of a top pick will carry over this year to great success

    We dont have to agree , nor does it make one person right and the other wrong

    The guy is a poor coach, a stubborn ego out of control, and if it wasnt for the Pacers, probably would have never been a head coach again

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    So the Orlando Magic, with DWIGHT HOWARD presumably involved in most of those PnR's, scored 55% of the time.
    And the Miamia Heat with DWAYNE WADE??
    San Antonio with TIM DUNCAN???

    Gee, that is a TELLING testimonial to the PnR offense.


    The Nets were the other team in the top 3. They actually scored out of the PnR at a higher clip than Orlando.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    you kinda just specifically called out uncle buck, (first sign that you just may be trolling.)
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    As opposed to the "let's burry are head in the sand and pretend evreything is ok"

    It never ceases to amaze me how peole say basically that they cant stand a thread but take the time to comment and continue to post on it (not saying you Buck specifically)

    Maybe the writer doesnt have the high credentials some of you would like, but I am sure he didnt make this up out of the clear blue sky. I suppose if nothing comes of this than it was BS, but I am saying right now if this becomes known at any point in the season, then obviously not everyone is "looking to stir the pot"

    Obie does not like to utilize the pick and roll, one of DC's strengths

    At the begining of each season Obie has gone on record annoiting the next great PG only to bench them later on .

    Tinsley - proclaimed a great PG by Obie, starts the season only to be becnhed and cast aside from the team
    Ford - Obie excited to have him after the trade only to bench him later in favor of Jarret Jack
    Ford- Starts the season again last year only to be benched again in favor of Earl Watson

    Seeing a pattern here? or is it all the PG's fault, or Obie loves back up PG's

    It doesnt make me "negative nick' because I point out what I dont like. I am just as big a Pacer fan as those who lwant evreything fluffy and nice

    What excuse could you possibly have , if after another 4 years of losing records, consistent problems with the coach-PG relationship

    The guy is a stubborn mule who has had 4 freakin years and cant even get us to sniff the playoffs. Oh but wait the "magical run" late in the season that screwed us out of a top pick will carry over this year to great success

    We dont have to agree , nor does it make one person right and the other wrong

    The guy is a poor coach, a stubborn ego out of control, and if it wasnt for the Pacers, probably would have never been a head coach again

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    Their offensive style should be similar to Orlando......
    Orlando shot about 350 more 3's than the Pacers last year.

    The Pacers gotta take either more of them or less of them. I can't quite figure out which one.
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    The way I look at it is that it's more important that DC gels with Granger/BRush/George/Tyler/Hibbert/Lance/AJ/Magnum this season then it is for DC to gel with a Coach and System that won't likely be here at the start of the 2011-2012 season.
    I agree with this poster. DC needs to gel with his team-mates and I'm sure he will. In the process of gelling with his teammates, DC will prove or disprove JOB's motion offense once and for all. If it still DOESN'T work with all of our new athletes on the court.....it'll NEVER work short of getting MJ, Magic, and Bird to reincarnate!!!! If it does work and we make to the 2nd round of the playoffs or further, I'm sure JOB will be extended at least 2 more years whether the JOB haters like it or not.

    Anyone know how I can catch the game tonite? Is it on NBA.com or somewhere else?

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