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    Bite your tongue.

    I never liked the hiring of Jimmy, but I understand the reason was a coach to hold down the fort until Bird could change things. I don't care if the Pacers make the playoffs, O'Brien has no more usefulness as the Pacers coach. A new coach that can take the Pacers to the next level is what is required. A coach who is not stubborn with a terrible case of tunnel vision that his system/style is the the only way. A coach who doesn't think the ultimate game is one with a score of 135-127 with no "D" and 3 pt shooting galore.

    4 years of Jimmy is more than enough, and as far as I'm concerned 1 year too many! I want to see the Pacers do well this year, but I want ownership and Bird to understand Jimmy's usefulness has passed. It's time to go forward with a different coach for the future.
    And "I" think that THIS is the only year that you can fairly judge OB on.
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    I read the first post and I'm not reading anymore. Positive or negative, I want nothing to do with this thread. Only time will tell what happens.

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    I might ask this in its own thread before the season starts, but my question is:

    For those of you who are concerned that Jim won't run enough pick and rolls when Collison is on the floor. Give me a % of how many PnR you want. Would 50% be enough, do you want 75%. I would just like to know, sure it is easy to say they don't run it enough, but let me know how many you want, and then maybe we'll look at it over a 5 or 10 (regular season) game period to see what % it is being run.
    I don't mind Obie trying the motion offense instead of the pick and roll. But if motion, over time, doesn't appear to be working, I don't want him stubbornly refusing to try the pick and roll.

    What would really goad me is if Obie is forced due to injury to use more pick and roll, it works fabulously, then he reverts to motion offense as soon as the needed personnel returns.

    I'm not paranoid. Something very similar happened last year.
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    you kinda just specifically called out uncle buck, (first sign that you just may be trolling.)
    oh Ok, trolling huh

    So you glanced right over the "Not specifically you Buck" comment?

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    I read the first post and I'm not reading anymore. Positive or negative, I want nothing to do with this thread. Only time will tell what happens.
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    Orlando shot about 350 more 3's than the Pacers last year.

    The Pacers gotta take either more of them or less of them. I can't quite figure out which one.
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    PGs usually take time to adjust to new systems
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    Well Mike Wells was talking about this on 1260 and was kind of saying that JOB needs to change the offense to fit Collison no the other way around, he also talked about Tinsley and Ford not fitting in the JOB system and that this is going be difficult with Collison because he was good when he had the ball in his hands.

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    Why do some of you think O'Brien will refuse to run the pick'n'roll? I have a hard time seeing a basketball coach, at any level, doing that, but anyway teams coached by O'Brien used the ballscreen game quite intensively in the past. Try to watch games of his year in Philly, for example, there was an absurd amount of high pick'n'rolls. Or just see how often Price would shoot off a ballscreen last season.

    Collison is a good player, but not good enough to be used like he was with New Orleans and UCLA. That does wonders for his fantasy value, but not so much for the team record. He's no Chris Paul. Needs to be coached into making passes that set up his teammates to create shots and not only to finish, needs to share the ball more, make the entry pass to the wing and cut off the 5 for a lay-up, etc. A totally PG-centric offense like the one he ran in New Orleans needs outstanding PGs to work.

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    Well Mike Wells was talking about this on 1260 and was kind of saying that JOB needs to change the offense to fit Collison no the other way around, he also talked about Tinsley and Ford not fitting in the JOB system and that this is going be difficult with Collison because he was good when he had the ball in his hands.
    so what would fit JOB's system Ricky Rubio?? Someone who doesnt like to shoot?

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    But that's progress, isn't it?
    As we said at the summer PD party, we all (including me) are fine to have JOB stay forever if he suddenly becomes a good coach. We don't want JOB the person gone, we want JOB the coach as he has been up till now gone.

    I don't care if he goes pod people or Renfield, as long as he changes his style/strategy. Make proper use of the roster, make good calls and adjustments as the game goes along, show real development of young players....

    ...if he does that then the winning takes care of itself. Why would you fire him then???



    So either he does use DC (and Roy, Josh, etc) well and the team reacts well to it and improves, allowing him to stay, or he does the same old and sees results consistent with the last few years and he's dumped (or should be).

    And I don't think any of us count a backing-into-playoffs situation as "improvement" either.


    Collison was not a promising PG to me at UCLA due to vision/passing, but the kid is ultra quick and has a strong dribble. This should be a no-brainer for any coach, a softball of a coaching aptitude test.

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    I think we are all forgetting about the most important stat of the night. 0 rebounds stolen.

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    I don't care if he goes pod people or Renfield, as long as he changes his style/strategy. Make proper use of the roster, make good calls and adjustments as the game goes along, show real development of young players....

    ...if he does that then the winning takes care of itself. Why would you fire him then???
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    This is a great post.

    Even passing over the splendid literary reference, Seth has taken the proper stance toward O'Brien: Let's him prove something. This year.

    There is lots to look forward to in this upcoming, but, quite frankly, I am not at all looking forward to the inevitable bad interpretations of each substitution or play call O'Brien does or doesn't do. Most of the anti-O'Brien comments are flawed, but even those that have solid evidence behind them are just unpleasant. I enjoy this board less because of the persistent sourness.


    So, kudos to Seth for his "Judge O'Brien by what he does now" stance. give yourself an extra fly for dinner!
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    Seth is asking for a miracle and I don't see that happening, JOB changing? No way....

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    I didn't find any problems last night. Darren didn't get as much time as he's going to get, but he managed to score 9 points.

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    Well, I'll tell you what it does take. It takes a clear mind. That's what it takes.
    I'm confused. For a new system, it takes a clear mind to take it or not to take it?
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    I'm confused. For a new system, it takes a clear mind to take it or not to take it?
    I couldnt follow his posts either
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    I'm confused. For a new system, it takes a clear mind to take it or not to take it?
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    It takes a clear mind to make it.
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    I couldnt follow his posts either
    It was runnin' all 'round my brain.
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    I don't mind Obie trying the motion offense instead of the pick and roll. But if motion, over time, doesn't appear to be working, I don't want him stubbornly refusing to try the pick and roll.

    What would really goad me is if Obie is forced due to injury to use more pick and roll, it works fabulously, then he reverts to motion offense as soon as the needed personnel returns.

    I'm not paranoid. Something very similar happened last year.
    Just because something very similar happened last year doesn't mean you aren't paranoid.

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    The Nets were the other team in the top 3. They actually scored out of the PnR at a higher clip than Orlando.
    I actually like the PnR, just don't think it needs to be the focus of our game. It's another weapon in the arsenal, not the answer to our problems.
    If you do it all the time you better have superior players because your getting awfully predictable.
    If we get to where we do it well, I'll be very happy to see it often.
    But we've got some talented passers on this team now, I'm really looking forward to seeing the passing offense implemented properly and how good that can be for us.
    it's all good.

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