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    For coach Jim O’Brien and team president Larry Bird, there’s a big chunk of reputation riding on the results of this season, coming off three straight seasons of disappointing results in Indiana. The Pacers are 104-142 under O’Brien and actually took a step backward—from 36 to 32 wins—last year, not only slipping in the standings, but slipping in attendance. The Pacers averaged just 14,202 fans (27th in the league) and with O’Brien in the last year of his contract, another dud year will surely mean changes up top.

    That means there’s an awful lot riding on the performance of the one key ingredient the Pacers brought in this offseason—point guard Darren Collison. There weren’t a whole lot of changes in the makeup of the Pacers coming out of the summer, apart from the addition of Collison, who will be asked to inject some life into a foundering franchise. “That’s what I want to do,” Collison told SN. “I want to bring a little excitement back into the area, excitement for Pacers basketball. They had that for a long time with Reggie Miller and those teams, and that wasn’t that long ago. We can bring that back.”

    Rescuing a wayward franchise and reigniting the lost excitement in what had been one of the NBA’s model small markets—and saving the coach’s job, to boot—is a lot to ask of a second-year point guard who spent the bulk of last season as a reserve. Playing behind Chris Paul in New Orleans, Collison averaged 6.4 points and 2.5 assists off the bench. But when Paul was injured for 37 games, Collison showed what he can do, averaging 18.8 points and 9.1 assists as a starter. That included a triple-double (against, fittingly, the Pacers) and five games of 14 assists or more.

    “To be honest, I was surprised by the numbers,” Collison said. “Especially after the triple-double. I was like, ‘Wait, this is the NBA. Did I just do that?’ But at the same time, I knew how hard I had worked and how much I had tried to learn. So when I got out there and got my chance, it came to me a lot easier than I expected.”

    Now, O’Brien and the Pacers will have to hope that Collison’s new task comes to him easily, too. The Pacers have opportunities to improve in places other than Collison, mostly in terms of health. Guard Mike Dunleavy struggled with injury through most of last year, and star forward Danny Granger missed 20 games. The Pacers are also hopeful that, after a summer of hard work, center Roy Hibbert is ready for a breakout year. But the position that has held the Pacers back recently has been point guard. Collison is expected to change that in a big way.

    “We are much stronger at point guard,” O’Brien said. “Darren had a good half a year. I just sat down with Darren and I said, ‘You will make tremendous strides as a player this year. I do not think you’re a 15-year veteran, or a 10-year veteran. You’re in your second year, but you are going to have great responsibility on this basketball team.’ But he has room for growth, and I think he would be the first one to tell you that.”

    Collison agrees. O’Brien’s system, on both ends of the floor, is predicated on pressure, and that means Collison will be expected to get out and run. In doing so, though, he will need to cut down on turnovers and push his teammates to be a better defensive team. “I have to be careful with the ball and make the right passes, make the right plays,” Collison said. “But the most important thing is defense. If we are going to be a playoff team, we have to play good defense. That starts with the point guard. I want to be a leader on defense, a leader on this team.”
    The Pacers would certainly welcome that.
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    Gee, this would seem to imply that this season is a win now season.
    hmmmmmm

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    Gee, this would seem to imply that this season is a win now season.
    hmmmmmm
    Heaven forbid it is not part of the "3 year plan"
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    I hope JOB switches his offense a bit to suit Collison.

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    Just as much that is riding on Collison is also riding on Hibbert and Rush. Our young guys need to take that next step to help out Granger.
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    I hope JOB switches his offense a bit to suit Collison.
    Why...?

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    Gee, this would seem to imply that this season is a win now season.
    hmmmmmm
    Whats the sense of urgency? We're so young (our core)...we have no established PF...what happens if we dont win now? No is going to retire

    You mostly here 'win now' season from teams like Spurs or Lakers whos player are on the decline and only have a few seasons left in them. Our core is young and only building
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    Why...?
    because Collison needs the ball to be effective. I'd like to see me PnR. And Collison isn't great in a motion offense.

    As much as I dislike TJ as a pg, part of the problem was his skillset just didnt' fit JOB's offense. Collison's a second year player, who's skillset doesn't quite fit the offense that was ran last season. So If you want him to be effective, you have to adjut it a bit.

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    I hope JOB switches his offense a bit to suit Collison.
    Me too

    But I doubt it, JOB is about a stubborn a coach as I have seen
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    Me too

    But I doubt it, JOB is about a stubborn a coach as I have seen
    Eh, I don't really agree. I think he'll change it a bit. This past year's offense was different than the one that had Dunleavy as a playmaker. Adding Collison into the mix gives JOb the opportunity to mix in what Collison does well with his own offensive preferences.

    It won't be all Darren all the time, but he'll be a focus. We have three guys as starters that most would feel comfortable with as scorers. Darren, Danny, and Roy. If Roy draws people away from the perimeter...Danny and Darren will light it up. If they play tight outside, you have Darren finding Roy inside or Danny going hard to the hoop and getting fouled.

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    Eh, I don't really agree. I think he'll change it a bit. This past year's offense was different than the one that had Dunleavy as a playmaker. Adding Collison into the mix gives JOb the opportunity to mix in what Collison does well with his own offensive preferences.

    It won't be all Darren all the time, but he'll be a focus. We have three guys as starters that most would feel comfortable with as scorers. Darren, Danny, and Roy. If Roy draws people away from the perimeter...Danny and Darren will light it up. If they play tight outside, you have Darren finding Roy inside or Danny going hard to the hoop and getting fouled.
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    Me too

    But I doubt it, JOB is about a stubborn a coach as I have seen
    OK, if Jim is so stubborn then why did Jim change for AJ Price (who IMO is a less rtalented point guard). Anytime AJ was on the floor the pacers ran a ton of pick and rolls and in fact often times in the 4th quarter of several games the past two seasons Jim ran a lot of pick and rolls for TJ Ford.

    I think Jim has shown a willingness to adjust the offense to the personel. he's done that in Boston, in Philly and here with the pacers.

    I expect to see a lot of free flowing passing game throughout the game especially when the tempo is fast, but when things slow down I expect to see one of the bread and butter plays to be a high pick and roll with DC

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    OK, if Jim is so stubborn then why did Jim change for AJ Price (who IMO is a less rtalented point guard). Anytime AJ was on the floor the pacers ran a ton of pick and rolls and in fact often times in the 4th quarter of several games the past two seasons Jim ran a lot of pick and rolls for TJ Ford.

    I think Jim has shown a willingness to adjust the offense to the personel. he's done that in Boston, in Philly and here with the pacers.

    I expect to see a lot of free flowing passing game throughout the game especially when the tempo is fast, but when things slow down I expect to see one of the bread and butter plays to be a high pick and roll with DC
    He did change for AJ, which suggests he might for Collison.

    I will say Obie might be reluctant to change for Collison because he's planning on starting Collison. Which means that he'd be running plays for Collison for most of the game, instead of doing a few PnRs with the backup PG.

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    OK, if Jim is so stubborn then why did Jim change for AJ Price (who IMO is a less rtalented point guard). Anytime AJ was on the floor the pacers ran a ton of pick and rolls and in fact often times in the 4th quarter of several games the past two seasons Jim ran a lot of pick and rolls for TJ Ford.

    I think Jim has shown a willingness to adjust the offense to the personel. he's done that in Boston, in Philly and here with the pacers.

    I expect to see a lot of free flowing passing game throughout the game especially when the tempo is fast, but when things slow down I expect to see one of the bread and butter plays to be a high pick and roll with DC
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    I just have an opinion, I dont feel as passoniate on this subject as you do.

    I could try and point out the many examples but that would only cause us to go back and forth, whcih Im not thrilled with doing today

    Bottom line is I feel Jim O'Brien is a very average coach at best. I do think he says one thing to the media, than another behind close doors. I also believe Mel Daniels was right when he said the players were privatley upset Jim O Brien got an extension last year

    If you think he is a good or great coach, or feel the need to constantly defned him, then God bless

    I think the Pacers had a better coach in Lester Connor, and I am waiting with great anticipation to the day he is replaced
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    Buck

    I just have an opinion, I dont feel as passoniate on this subject as you do.

    I could try and point out the many examples but that would only cause us to go back and forth, whcih Im not thrilled with doing today

    Bottom line is I feel Jim O'Brien is a very average coach at best. I do think he says one thing to the media, than another behind close doors. I also believe Mel Daniels was right when he said the players were privatley upset Jim O Brien got an extension last year

    If you think he is a good or great coach, or feel the need to constantly defned him, then God bless

    I think the Pacers had a better coach in Lester Connor, and I am waiting with great anticipation to the day he is replaced
    so true ave. on a really really good day. i just cant wait till someone better coaches the team. I would rather have one of us coach the team than JOB!

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    so true ave. on a really really good day. i just cant wait till someone better coaches the team. I would rather have one of us coach the team than JOB!
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    Whats the sense of urgency? We're so young (our core)...we have no established PF...what happens if we dont win now? No is going to retire

    You mostly here 'win now' season from teams like Spurs or Lakers whos player are on the decline and only have a few seasons left in them. Our core is young and only building
    Because we have missed the playoffs these past years, the coaches jobs are preceived to be on the line.
    Win NOW doesn't just mean win it all, it also means no more building, win NOW, as in make the playoffs or else.
    That's not MY take or opinion, it's what is printed in the papers and elsewhere.

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    No doubt about it
    And I would rather have OB coaching in his sleep than anyone here.

    Agree with his choices or not, any NBA coach knows 50 times more about the game than everyone here combined.

    We are silly little women gossiping compared to the inside knowledge these guys have.

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    Because we have missed the playoffs these past years, the coaches jobs are preceived to be on the line.
    Win NOW doesn't just mean win it all, it also means no more building, win NOW, as in make the playoffs or else.
    That's not MY take or opinion, it's what is printed in the papers and elsewhere.
    Like it's that simple.

    We need to put together some fan excitement or NO ONE will have a job. As many have said, character lays the foundation but it takes winning to get people back into the fold.

    I am really not sure how playing lots of minutes and getting your head handed to you establishes a winning attitude or builds confidence. Seems to me it establishes a "playing time first" attitude and a lack of confidence.
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    And I would rather have OB coaching in his sleep than anyone here.

    Agree with his choices or not, any NBA coach knows 50 times more about the game than everyone here combined.

    We are silly little women gossiping compared to the inside knowledge these guys have.
    I wouldnt go that far. I am sure you have some people on this board who have played basketball, maybee even a D1 school, or is a current coach

    Cant throw everyone in the same bucket

    Its OK for us to disagree, I just think he is not a good coach at all

    If you disagree, cool no porblem with me
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    And I would rather have OB coaching in his sleep than anyone here.

    Agree with his choices or not, any NBA coach knows 50 times more about the game than everyone here combined.

    We are silly little women gossiping compared to the inside knowledge these guys have.
    I seriously doubt it. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science, and there aren't any trade secrets.

    On ESPN the other day Trent Dilfer was talking about NFL coaches, and he flat out said that a lot of coaches in the NFL shouldn't even be coaching high school teams. They have a name that gets them in the door, or they know someone.

    Quite frankly, that's how it is in all sports, just not football.


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    I seriously doubt it. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science, and there aren't any trade secrets.


    Just because you're an NBA headcoach doesn't automatically make you the smartest person in the room.
    It isn't so much not knowing or knowing what you want to do, but what is difficult is how to do it. And even more than that it is getting it across to the players - having the presense and leadership to get your players to beliefve in what you are coaching.

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    To be honest, I don't see DC as any different than TJ. They both have similar games. I only hope that he's less stubborn than TJ and at least tries to play JOB's offense as it was designed. In JOB's offense, he wants his PG to get the ball up the court as fast as possible and, if an open shot is NOT available, pass the ball to a facilitator like Hibbert or McBob. If the ball reverses or comes back to the PG, the PG's job is to break down his man and get into the lane. Once in the lane, the PG has to take the shot (but ONLY if it's open or not defended well) or pass the rock to the open 3pt shooter (which is JOB's preference) . And, all of this must happen as the shot clock in winding down to zero.

    Yeah, he may incorporate a few PnR's for Collison (and our backup PGs) if his starting lineup and rotational players can't generate enough points with JOB's preferred offensive style mentioned above. If Danny/Dun-Dun and Brandon/George aren't shooting 46% or higher from 3pt range or Hibbert & McBob are not generating enough inside scoring, I do expect JOB to incorporate more traditional PnR plays into his offense or face being FIRED early in the season.

    It's been a 'pipe-dream' for JOB to expect to have a team full of 46% 3pt shooters in a small market to make his style of offense work. I expect another tough year for the Pacers if JOB doesn't START his most athletic players to include McBob and George (if his own statistics are showing they're playing the best basketball for the Pacers)!!!! I know he has some man-love for Dun-Dun but his minutes should be no more than 15 minutes per game unless he gets HOT shooting the rock.

    Same for Hansbrough and Hibbert. Yes, they're both high draft choices but if they are NOT producing (and I expect both of them to be decent if not pretty darn good) JOB needs to put someone in there to rebound, protect the rim, and provide some inside scoring. If that means playing Solo or Rolle or McBob more minutes, so be it.
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    To be honest, I don't see DC as any different than TJ. They both have similar games.


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