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    The only guy that thinks the Cowboys are the premier franchise in the NFL anymore is Jerry Jones.

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    I think all Kornheiser meant by that is that the NFL is more fun to follow when the Cowboys are good. Kind of like baseball being better when the Yankees are good, or college basketball better when IU, UNC, UK, etc. are good. It is one of the best franchises in the NFL with a huge following. It's just more fun when they are good, supposedly.
    I don't think so, because 50% of NFL aren't Cowboys fans. I would venture that the number of Cowboys fans, while arguably the biggest fan base in the league, is rivaled with the opposite in the number of peole who can't stand the Cowboys.

    I like the NFL when the Cowboys suck and I get to listen to their fans talk about how their just not living up to their potential. I watch their games to watch them lose, and I can bet I'm not the only one.

    Walk into a bar and start yelling about how good the Cowboys are and I bet you get more responses telling you to F off or about how the Cowboys suck than you would in agreement. I see it every year when we go out to a sports bar and watch people openly root against the Yankees, just because it's the Yankees. In a completely unscientific survey, I've found more people want to see them lose than win.

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    Basically, you've just said that 50% of NFL fans are Cowboys fans, and 50% of NFL fans hate the Cowboys. Given that there are 32 teams, each franchise should have about 3-5% of the total.

    There's no doubt the Cowboys are polarizing.
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    I'll bet my left nut right now that the Cowboys aren't the biggest fan base in the league right this second.

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    I'll bet my left nut right now that the Cowboys aren't the biggest fan base in the league right this second.
    Then who is, if not the Cowboys?

    Your right nut may be getting lonely in the near future.
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    I'd bet your Steelers have more fans. I've honestly never met that many Cowboys fans

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    Basically, you've just said that 50% of NFL fans are Cowboys fans, and 50% of NFL fans hate the Cowboys. Given that there are 32 teams, each franchise should have about 3-5% of the total.

    There's no doubt the Cowboys are polarizing.

    I did?

    I don't think so, because 50% of NFL aren't Cowboys fans. I would venture that the number of Cowboys fans, while arguably the biggest fan base in the league, is rivaled with the opposite in the number of peole who can't stand the Cowboys.
    If I thought they were 50% would I use language like "arguably the biggest?"

    And If I did think they were 50%, and I used that type of language, that would mean that another team was close to having the same fan base size......

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    I think you're numbers are about right. 50% of the combined Casual + Diehard NFL fans are Cowboys fans. And the other 50% hate the Cowboys and the Cowboys' fans.

    The Steelers aren't as popular as the Cowboys in that they aren't really a bandwagon team (or haven't been since the early 80s when all the players from the Dynasty retired.) I'd say the Steelers have a lower percentage than the Cowboys in the general population, but that the Steelers have a higher percentage of hardcore fans.

    Still... merchandise sales for the Cowboys eclipses the Steelers every year. The Yankees are the United are probably the only teams more popular in all sports.
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    I think you're numbers are about right. 50% of the combined Casual + Diehard NFL fans are Cowboys fans. And the other 50% hate the Cowboys and the Cowboys' fans.

    The Steelers aren't as popular as the Cowboys in that they aren't really a bandwagon team (or haven't been since the early 80s when all the players from the Dynasty retired.) I'd say the Steelers have a lower percentage than the Cowboys in the general population, but that the Steelers have a higher percentage of hardcore fans.

    Still... merchandise sales for the Cowboys eclipses the Steelers every year. The Yankees are the United are probably the only teams more popular in all sports.
    i like watching pitts they play like the old bears b4 cutler run the football and good D

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    I'm being completely honest when I say I've only met one Cowboy fan in my entire life, and that was at IU, and the kid was from Dallas.

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    I think you're numbers are about right. 50% of the combined Casual + Diehard NFL fans are Cowboys fans. And the other 50% hate the Cowboys and the Cowboys' fans.

    The Steelers aren't as popular as the Cowboys in that they aren't really a bandwagon team (or haven't been since the early 80s when all the players from the Dynasty retired.) I'd say the Steelers have a lower percentage than the Cowboys in the general population, but that the Steelers have a higher percentage of hardcore fans.

    Still... merchandise sales for the Cowboys eclipses the Steelers every year. The Yankees are the United are probably the only teams more popular in all sports.
    I don't think 50% is anywhere close.

    I think probably 5% are Cowboy fans, 5% hate them, and about 90% of them just don't give a rip.

    And honestly, I don't think the 5% is all that accurate. I'm just trying to say that the vast majority of NFL fans dont' care either way.

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    I think you're numbers are about right. 50% of the combined Casual + Diehard NFL fans are Cowboys fans. And the other 50% hate the Cowboys and the Cowboys' fans.

    No way is it that high. Teams like the Steelers/Packers/Bears/Giants/Jets/Redskins have way too many fans for the Cowboys to have that big of a share.

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    Colts have a huge following now too just because of Manning. Also, people forget that the 49ers have a large fan base too.

    IMO, it's completely possible (likely) that the Cowboys are not the largest fan base, and may not even be a top 5 fan base anymore.

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    Okay, ignoring the hyperbole of my "50%" comment, I'm tired of arguing with you. Argue with Nielsen.

    (Pretty sure Tom posted the original article back in training camp.)

    The Cowboys have a 23% lead over the second-place Steelers. That's a huge lead for this type of index, where one "should" start with an assumption that each of the 32 teams have an equal chance of popularity (or an equal 3.125% share).

    http://playerpress.com/articles/1133...arity-rankings

    Here's the original... I knew I had it somewhere.

    http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/...sure-rankings/

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...782758620.html


    #1 on national TV, #1 on the internet. Maybe its not 1/2 the total quantity of NFL fans, but a 23% lead over the Steelers and a (100-70)/70 = 3/7 = ~50% (I suck at simple math) lead over the #3 NY Giants.

    It ain't close.
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    i like watching pitts they play like the old bears b4 cutler run the football and good D
    Huh?

    I don't think you know what those things ("run the football", "good D") mean. Because the Bears haven't been good at either of those things for a couple of decades.
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    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Huh?

    I don't think you know what those things ("run the football", "good D") mean. Because the Bears haven't been good at either of those things for a couple of decades.
    did u watch the 06 season or any season b4 last year??? with tomas jones we were a running football team for a long time. with orton we ran the football and played D so idk what u are refering to. But ever since we got jay we have been a throwing team.

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    did u watch the 06 season or any season b4 last year??? with tomas jones we were a running football team for a long time. with orton we ran the football and played D so idk what u are refering to. But ever since we got jay we have been a throwing team.
    Jones was only there for 3 years. A long time is 3 years?

    And his stats show he ran for 1,000 yards or more in 2 of the 3 years, with less than 10 TDs in each of the 3 years.

    While that is good, it isn't exactly lighting it up.

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    Jones was only there for 3 years. A long time is 3 years?

    And his stats show he ran for 1,000 yards or more in 2 of the 3 years, with less than 10 TDs in each of the 3 years.

    While that is good, it isn't exactly lighting it up.
    we have not been a throwing team in forever. That is all i am saying we have always be a run first team.

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    did u watch the 06 season or any season b4 last year??? with tomas jones we were a running football team for a long time. with orton we ran the football and played D so idk what u are refering to. But ever since we got jay we have been a throwing team.
    I live here but try to avoid watching the Bears just as I tried very hard to avoid watching the Colts when I lived in Indianapolis. I've had Sunday Ticket since about '94 and think its the greatest invention of all time.

    Anyway, in 2006, the Bears were ranked #15 in rushing offense. That was the season after Bettis retired, so the Steelers were a disappointing #9 in rushing offense.

    Working my way backwards, as I'd like to find a time the Bears were a top-five rushing team... Or if I can't find that, a time where they were as good as the Steelers... I'll bet I've got to go all the way back to the Walter Peyton era.

    #8 in 2005 (Steelers were #5).
    #25 in 2004 (Steelers were #2).
    #18 in 2003 (Steelers were #31, this was the year of the "Tommy Gun").
    #32 (really!) in 2002 (Steelers were #9).
    #17 in 2001 (Steelers were #1).
    #21 in 2000 (Steelers were #4).
    #26 in 1999 (Steelers were #10).
    #17 in 1998 (Steelers were #7).
    #16 in 1997 (Steelers were #1, again).
    #16 in 1996 (Steelers were #2, damn that Terrell Davis guy...).

    Before that, Jerome Bettis was still playing for the Rams. So that's far enough back into the past.

    So with the exception of the dreaded Tommy-Gun season, you just haven't been close to the type of running game the Steelers have had.

    Do we have to do this for defense, too?

    Going back to 1992, when Bill Cowher, Dom Capers and Dick LeBeau brought the 3-4 Zone Blitz to Pittsburgh, and looking at Total Defense by total yards:

    1992: Steelers #13, Bears #17.
    1993: Steelers #3, Bears #4. (note that the Vikings were #1, Packers #2, Bears #4 and Lions #6. The NFC Central defensive stats may have been inflated due to the divisions' lack of offense.)
    1994: Steelers #2, Bears #13.
    1995: Steelers #3, Bears #19.
    1996: Steelers #2, Bears #12.
    (Note: Dick LeBeau leaves to be the DC then HC in Cincinnati)
    1997: Steelers #6, Bears #12.
    1998: Steelers #12, Bears #14.
    1999: Steelers #11, Bears #29.
    2000: Steelers #7, Bears #16.
    2001: Steelers #1 (more heralded Ravens #2), Bears #15.
    2002: Steelers #7, Bears #25.
    2003: Steelers #9, Bears #14.
    (Note: Dick LeBeau returns to Pittsburgh)
    2004: Steelers #1, Bears #21. Steelers go 15-1, lose in AFC Championship.
    2005: Bears #2, Steelers #4. So you're finally ranked higher. Steelers win Super Bowl XL. You can have the #2 ranking.
    2006: Bears #5, Steelers #9. With a respectable defense and a super-weak NFC, you qualify for the Super Bowl under the controversial rule that guarantees the NFC winner a berth in the big game, no matter how weak the NFC is.
    2007: Steelers #1, Bears #28. Uh... ouch.
    2008: Steelers #1, Bears #21. Steelers win Super Bowl.
    2009: Steelers #5, Bears #17.

    That's a total of ten top-fives in the past 17 seasons for the Steelers, compared to 9 seasons where the Bears were in the bottom 1/2 of the league.

    I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop insulting the Steelers running game and defense by comparing them to the lousy Bears.
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    I live here but try to avoid watching the Bears just as I tried very hard to avoid watching the Colts when I lived in Indianapolis. I've had Sunday Ticket since about '94 and think its the greatest invention of all time.

    Anyway, in 2006, the Bears were ranked #15 in rushing offense. That was the season after Bettis retired, so the Steelers were a disappointing #9 in rushing offense.

    Working my way backwards, as I'd like to find a time the Bears were a top-five rushing team... Or if I can't find that, a time where they were as good as the Steelers... I'll bet I've got to go all the way back to the Walter Peyton era.

    #8 in 2005 (Steelers were #5).
    #25 in 2004 (Steelers were #2).
    #18 in 2003 (Steelers were #31, this was the year of the "Tommy Gun").
    #32 (really!) in 2002 (Steelers were #9).
    #17 in 2001 (Steelers were #1).
    #21 in 2000 (Steelers were #4).
    #26 in 1999 (Steelers were #10).
    #17 in 1998 (Steelers were #7).
    #16 in 1997 (Steelers were #1, again).
    #16 in 1996 (Steelers were #2, damn that Terrell Davis guy...).

    Before that, Jerome Bettis was still playing for the Rams. So that's far enough back into the past.

    So with the exception of the dreaded Tommy-Gun season, you just haven't been close to the type of running game the Steelers have had.

    Do we have to do this for defense, too?

    Going back to 1992, when Bill Cowher, Dom Capers and Dick LeBeau brought the 3-4 Zone Blitz to Pittsburgh, and looking at Total Defense by total yards:

    1992: Steelers #13, Bears #17.
    1993: Steelers #3, Bears #4. (note that the Vikings were #1, Packers #2, Bears #4 and Lions #6. The NFC Central defensive stats may have been inflated due to the divisions' lack of offense.)
    1994: Steelers #2, Bears #13.
    1995: Steelers #3, Bears #19.
    1996: Steelers #2, Bears #12.
    (Note: Dick LeBeau leaves to be the DC then HC in Cincinnati)
    1997: Steelers #6, Bears #12.
    1998: Steelers #12, Bears #14.
    1999: Steelers #11, Bears #29.
    2000: Steelers #7, Bears #16.
    2001: Steelers #1 (more heralded Ravens #2), Bears #15.
    2002: Steelers #7, Bears #25.
    2003: Steelers #9, Bears #14.
    (Note: Dick LeBeau returns to Pittsburgh)
    2004: Steelers #1, Bears #21. Steelers go 15-1, lose in AFC Championship.
    2005: Bears #2, Steelers #4. So you're finally ranked higher. Steelers win Super Bowl XL. You can have the #2 ranking.
    2006: Bears #5, Steelers #9. With a respectable defense and a super-weak NFC, you qualify for the Super Bowl under the controversial rule that guarantees the NFC winner a berth in the big game, no matter how weak the NFC is.
    2007: Steelers #1, Bears #28. Uh... ouch.
    2008: Steelers #1, Bears #21. Steelers win Super Bowl.
    2009: Steelers #5, Bears #17.

    That's a total of ten top-fives in the past 17 seasons for the Steelers, compared to 9 seasons where the Bears were in the bottom 1/2 of the league.

    I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop insulting the Steelers running game and defense by comparing them to the lousy Bears.
    im just talking about are philosophy not how good we were i liked watching hard nosed footbal like pittsburg plays.

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    Then you must hate watching the Bears?

    Cade McNown
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    You've been searching for your "franchise QB" for 15 years.
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    Then you must hate watching the Bears?

    Cade McNown
    Rick Mirer
    Jim Miller
    Kordell Stewart
    Rex Grossman
    Brian Griese
    Jay Cutler

    You've been searching for your "franchise QB" for 15 years.
    and about 20 more LOL all suck lol

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    I think Cutler could be their franchise QB, but the thing is, every time he drops back to pass I cringe, and I don't give a damn about the Bears. I don't know if it's the offense or the strategy or what, I just don't ever feel comfortable with a pass he throws.
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    I think Cutler could be their franchise QB, but the thing is, every time he drops back to pass I cringe, and I don't give a damn about the Bears. I don't know if it's the offense or the strategy or what, I just don't ever feel comfortable with a pass he throws.
    he has the tools but not the smarts last week he didnt check down at all and looks like he expects to get sacked. He hit the checkdown good week one idk idont think he will ever figure it out

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    How many times do I have to say Jay Cutler=Jeff George?

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