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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #31
    Re: League update

    The Draft

    Sunday, October 10. 10:00 a.m. EST

    If you can't make the draft or have to leave, email me a contingency list so I can draft for you.

    Main Draft Order for 2010-11 ABA KL


    ROUND ONE

    (Crazy Canucks gave up his 1st round pick to retain Jrue Holiday, so everyone behind slot 11 moved up one place)


    1. Amsterdam Pigeons
    2. Go!! Yamaha
    3. Gnawbone Nightmares
    4. Amsterdam Pigeons
    5. Frostwolf’s team
    6. Indiana Firestorm
    7. Cedar City/Dr. Badd’s team
    8. Harlem Funkadelics
    9. Little Fort Bottom Feeders
    10. Bangcock Banshee
    11. Soup is Good’s team
    12. Oakland Oaks
    13. Go!! Yamaha
    14. Roaming Gnomes
    15. Bulldog’s team
    16. Frostwolf’s team
    17. Bellisimo's team
    18. Soup is Good’s team
    19. Diamond Dave’s team


    ROUND TWO

    1. Amsterdam Pigeons
    2. Gnawbone Nightmares
    3. Gnawbone Nightmares
    4. Cedar City
    5. Nash City Razorbacks
    6. Indiana Firestorm
    7. Rise of Dynamite
    8. Harlem Funkadelics
    9. Little Fort Bottom Feeders
    10. Bangcock Banshee
    11. Canadian Feet Eaters
    12. Go!! Yamaha
    13. Oakland Oaks
    14. Cedar City Raven Redux
    15. Roaming Gnomes
    16. Diamond Dave's team
    17. Pig Nash’s team
    18. Bellisimo's team
    19. Bulldog’s team
    20. Redbull’s team



    ROUND THREE

    1. Amsterdam Pigeons
    2. Cedar City Raven Redux
    3. Gnawbone Nightmares
    4. Little Fort Bottom Feeders
    5. Nash City Razorbacks
    6. Indiana Firestorm
    7. Rise of Dynamite
    8. Harlem Funkadelics
    9. Las Vegas Vengence
    10. Bangcock Banshee
    11. Canadian Feet Eaters
    12. Venice Vagabonds
    13. Oakland Oaks
    14. Venice Vagabonds
    15. Roaming Gnomes
    16. Bulldog’s team
    17. Soup is Good’s team
    18. Bellisimo's team
    19. Frostwolf’s team
    20. Diamond Dave’s team

    And here's the protected nine player teams;

    Pig Nash-Nash City

    C Marc Gasol MEM
    CF Troy Murphy NJN
    F Kenyon Martin DEN
    GF Danny Granger IND
    GF Rudy Gay MEM
    G Baron Davis LAC
    CF Marcin Gortat ORL
    G Jamal Crawford ATL
    GF Richard Hamilton DET

    Jose Slaughter-Bangkok Banshee

    C Kaman LAC
    C Hawes SAC
    CF Gasol LAL
    CF Speights PHI
    CF Chris Andersen
    CF Turiaf GSW
    G Deron Williams UTA
    G James Harden OKL
    G Blake LAC

    Diamond Dave-Castle de Verde Hoopsters


    GF Kevin Durant (OKL
    G O.J. Mayo (MEM)
    G Aaron Brooks (HOU)
    CF Elton Brand (PHI)
    CF Jermaine Oneal (MIA)
    CF Mehmet Okur (UTA)
    F Jeff Green (OKL)
    F Thaddeus Young (PHI)
    GF Shawn Marion(DAL)

    Kerosene-Oakland Oaks

    C Duncan SAS
    CF Varejao CLE
    CF Bonner SAS
    F Mbah a Moute MIL
    F Barnes ORL
    F Rashard Lewis ORL
    G Nash PHO
    G Parker SAS
    G Barbosa PHO

    Venice-Venice Vagabonds

    C Shaq BOS
    CF Bosh TOR
    F Garnett BOS
    CF Craig Smith LAC
    CF Tolliver GSW
    G Bryant LAL
    G Miller POR
    GF Carter ORL
    GF Dunleavy IND

    Dr. Badd-Cedar City

    C Thabeet
    C Oden
    F Anthony
    F Jianlan
    F J. Hill
    FG Casspi
    G Rubio
    G Lawson
    G Hinrich

    Redbull Yamaha-Tassie Go!!

    CF Bogut MIL
    CF Dwight Howard ORL
    F Harrington NYK
    F Kirilenko UTA
    G Westbrook OKL
    G Stuckey DET
    CF Robin Lopez PHO
    GF Terrence Williams NJN
    GF Anthony Parker CLE

    BellisiMo-Young Turks

    CF Carlos Boozer (UTA)
    F Antawn Jamison (CLE)
    F Hakim Warrick (CHI)
    FG Paul Pierce (BOS)
    G Beno Udrih (SAC)
    G Devin Harris (NJN)
    G Jarrett Jack (TOR)
    C Samuel Dalembert (PHI)
    GF Joe Johnson (ATL)

    SoupisGood-Concord Hobgoblins

    LeBron James
    Corey Maggette
    Andrea Bargnani
    Nazr Mohammed
    Louis Williams
    Kris Humphries
    Grant Hill
    Boris Diaw
    Josh Boone

    Bulldog-South Beach Talents


    1 G Rajon Rondo (BOS)
    2 C Yao Ming (HOU)
    3 CF Darko Milicic (MIN)
    4 F Brandan Wright (GSW)
    5 F Jerebko DET
    6 F Danilo Gallinari (NYK)
    7 F J.J. Hickson (CLE)
    8 F Taj Gibson (CHI)
    9 G Rodrigue Beaubois (DAL)

    Frostwolf-Shakuras Voidwalkers

    C Brendan Haywood (DAL)
    C Kendrick Perkins (BOS)
    CF Drew Gooden (LAC)
    CFJaVale McGee (WAS)
    F Tyrus Thomas (CHA)
    G Tyreke Evans (SAC)
    G Gilbert Arenas (WAS)
    GF Josh Smith (ATL)
    GF Josh Howard (WAS)

    Newman8r-Crazy Canucks

    CF Jefferson MIN CF
    CF Aldridge POR CF
    CF Scola Hou CF
    CF Thompson SAC CF
    F Ariza Hou F
    GF Wallace CHA GF
    GF Deng CHI GF
    G J.R. Smith DEN G
    G Gordon LAC G
    G Holiday PHI G

    Harlem-Harlem Funkadelic

    G Calderon TOR
    G Ginobilli SAS
    G Jennings MIL
    C Bynum LAL
    CF Horford ATL
    CF Blatche WAS
    GF Brewer MIN
    CF Chandler CHA
    F Donte Greene SAC

    TNT-Just Dynamite

    Kevin Love
    Nene
    Ben Wallace
    Caron Butler
    Iguodala
    Terry
    Chalmers
    Nowitzki
    Billups


    Mourning-Amsterdam Pidgeons

    G Curry (GSW)
    G Mo Williams (CLE)
    F Beasley (MIA)
    F Villanueva (DET)
    CF David Lee (NYK)
    G Sessions (MIN)
    GF DeRozen (TOR)
    G DJ Augustin (CHA)
    G Redd (MIL)

    Pacertom-Gnawbone

    C Brad Miller HOU
    C Deandre Jordan LAC
    CF Noah CHI
    CF Stoudamire PHO
    CF Milsap UTA
    G Jameer Nelson ORL
    G Lowry Hou
    G Ridnour MIN
    GF Gerald Henderson CHA

    Scott_H-Las Vegas Vengence

    C Lopez NJN
    F Dejuan Blair SAS CF
    CF Biedrins GSW
    G Jeff Teague
    CF Serge Ibaka OKL
    G Paul NOR
    G Collison IND
    G Felton CHA
    GF Jason Richardson PHO

    Canuckleheads-Little Fort Bottom Feeders

    G Rose CHI
    GF Jackson CHA
    F Ilyasova MIL
    F Odom LAL
    CF Krstic OKL
    CF Frye POR
    GF Turkoglu TOR
    G Thornton MOR
    G Ben Gordon DET


    burnzone-Indiana Firestorm

    G Ellis GSW
    G Martin HOU
    G Flynn MIN
    G Conley MEM
    G Price IND
    FG Roy POR
    F West NOR
    CF Okafor NOR
    C Hibbert IND


    Roaming Gnome-Roaming Gnome's Fury

    Wade
    Kidd
    Landry
    Camby
    Randolph
    Hansbrough
    Stojakovic
    Nocioni
    Rush




    If you need me to draft for you, send me a LoOooOoog contingency list. If you have to leave during the draft, send me a list. Otherwise, I'll start getting these players entered so we're ready for Sunday!!
    Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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    • #32
      Re: League update

      I forget... did we draft on the site before, or here? If on the site, do you set the draft order and then when the draft starts we fill up the contingency list with our 9 protected players, then when everyone has done that the fun begins?
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • #33
        Re: League update

        I've spent the past 2 hours entering rosters. Not done yet. I'll be entering everyone's rosters, then I'll set the draft order. All you guys need to do is show up at draft time on the site. You can fill your contingency lists as soon as I finish entering players on the teams. I'll let you guys know when that is.
        Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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        • #34
          Re: League update

          I posted this at hoops.ws, but I'll repeat it here.

          I made an executive decision and switched Gnome's pick to me. It gave me Shelden Williams, who was on my contingency list for a third round pick.

          I then dropped him back into the free agent pool and gave Gnome the next best rookie available, inho, which was Al-Farouq Aminu.

          If Gnome is not around for his next pick, I'll do the same thing and pick the next best available player that Ii think will round out his team and so we can get this thing over.

          I've had a new owner on standby, who may still be interested, but I'm not too familiar with him, so I'd have to feel him out and see how knowlegable his is before inviting him to take over Gnome's team, if that is needed.

          If you have anyone who may be interested in taking his team over, if it comes to that, lemme know.
          Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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          • #35
            Re: League update

            Originally posted by Skaut_Ech View Post
            I posted this at hoops.ws, but I'll repeat it here.

            I made an executive decision and switched Gnome's pick to me. It gave me Shelden Williams, who was on my contingency list for a third round pick.

            I then dropped him back into the free agent pool and gave Gnome the next best rookie available, inho, which was Al-Farouq Aminu.

            If Gnome is not around for his next pick, I'll do the same thing and pick the next best available player that Ii think will round out his team and so we can get this thing over.

            I've had a new owner on standby, who may still be interested, but I'm not too familiar with him, so I'd have to feel him out and see how knowlegable his is before inviting him to take over Gnome's team, if that is needed.

            If you have anyone who may be interested in taking his team over, if it comes to that, lemme know.
            No need to replace me just yet... My schedule will clear up fairly soon. The only thing worse then the last 5 weeks for me has been the last 72 hours which directly effected my drafting situation. I had planned to be available on Sunday, but an emergency service call kind of destroyed any plans to be available to draft much less set a contingency list.

            Now my contingencies are set and no more delays should be had on my end.

            My apologies & thanks for understanding,
            Eric
            ...Still "flying casual"
            @roaminggnome74

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            • #36
              Re: League update

              Well... I think you ended up with quite a good player... so good I thought I had him in the bag when I was picking a few picks after ya ...


              Last edited by Mourning; 10-12-2010, 01:33 PM.
              2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

              2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

              2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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              • #37
                Re: League update

                Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                No need to replace me just yet... My schedule will clear up fairly soon. The only thing worse then the last 5 weeks for me has been the last 72 hours which directly effected my drafting situation. I had planned to be available on Sunday, but an emergency service call kind of destroyed any plans to be available to draft much less set a contingency list.

                Now my contingencies are set and no more delays should be had on my end.

                My apologies & thanks for understanding,
                Eric
                good to have you here.

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