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  • What jerseys do you have?

    I just got my Roy Hibbert jersey in the mail today (which totally made my day!!!) So far, these are the jerseys I have:

    Authentic:


    Granger
    Hibbert
    Foster
    Tinsley
    Miller (Flojo)

    Wal*Mart Jerseys:

    Peja
    Granger
    O'Neal


    What jerseys do you have?
    Passion, Pride, Playoffs, Pacers

  • #2
    Re: What jerseys do you have?

    Authentic:
    Granger (Home)
    Granger (All-Star) + autographed
    Rush (Road) + autographed

    Swingman:
    Antonio Davis (Road Flo-Jo)
    Rush (Home)
    Dunleavy (Road) + Autographed
    Jack (Home)

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    • #3
      Re: What jerseys do you have?

      Swingman:
      Granger - Alternate
      Diener - Away
      Hibbert - Home
      Price - Home
      Dunleavy - Home (Autographed)
      Granger - All-Star
      Reggie - Pinstripe
      Home Shorts - Current (forgot about these, thanks Duke)
      Away Shorts - Current

      Replica:
      Murphy - Home (Autographed)

      Traded in Sarunas, TJ and Tinsley jerseys last year. (I like point guards, what can I say?)

      To add this season: Collison and McRoberts
      Last edited by BPump33; 09-10-2010, 10:21 AM.
      Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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      • #4
        Re: What jerseys do you have?

        Swingman :
        Reggie (road pinstripes)
        JO (road current)
        JO (home pinstripes)
        Danny (road)

        And I think I'll buy a Dale Davis flo-jo soon

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        • #5
          Re: What jerseys do you have?

          Pacers:

          Mitchell and Ness:
          George McGinnis (road blue)

          Swingman:
          Danny Granger (home white)
          Tyler Hansbrough (home white)

          Replica:
          Tyler Hansbrough (alt gold)
          Mike Dunleavy (home white)
          Mike Dunleavy (road blue)
          Reggie Miller (home white w/pinstripe)

          Replica I have somewhere, but can't find?:
          Chris Mullin (alt gold w/ pinstripes)
          Jalen Rose (alt gold w/ pinstripes)
          Mark Jackson (alt gold w/pinstripes)
          Reggie Miller (road blue..not sure which jersey model)

          I also have a long sleeve and short sleeve authentic shooting jerseys

          My g/f has

          Swingman:
          Danny Granger (alt gold)
          Roy Hibbert (home white)

          Colts:

          Authentic:
          Peyton Manning (blue w/ C patch and SB XLIV patch)
          Peyton Manning (blue w/ SB XLI patch)
          Peyton Manning (white w/ C patch)
          Peyton Manning (white 2004 Pro Bowl)

          Replica:
          Reggie Wayne (white)
          Adam Vinateri (white w/ XLI screen print patch)
          Marvin Harrison (blue)
          Eric Dickerson (blue sewn numbers and name)

          Other NBA/ABA:

          Mitchell & Ness
          Julius Erving (white Virginia Squires)
          Connie Hawkins (white Minnesota Pipers)
          Red Klotz (red Philadelphia Sphas)
          Bob Lanier (green Milwaukee Bucks)
          Rick Barry (gold San Francisco Warriors)
          Collis Jones (white Memphis Sounds)
          Drazen Petrovic (blue NJ Nets)

          Authentic:
          Steve Nash (white Phoenix Suns)
          Steve Nash (purple Phoenix Suns)
          Dirk Nowitiski (green alt Dallas Mavericks)

          Swingman:
          Rajon Rondo (white)
          Paul Pierce (white)
          Paul Pierce (green w/ gold letters)
          Magic Johnson (gold)

          MLB:
          Authentic:
          Alfonso Soriano (white fastball jersey)
          Kosuke Fukudome (blue)
          Roberto Clemente (gold Pittsburgh Pirates)

          NFL:
          Authentic:
          Tim Tebow (blue Denver Broncos)
          Tim Tebow (orange Denver Broncos)
          Sam Bradford (blue St.Louis Rams)
          Drew Brees (black NO Saints w/ C patch)
          Chad Ocho Cinco (black Cincinnati Bengals)

          Replica:
          Barry Sanders (blue Detriot Lions w/ sewn names and numbers

          Mitchell & Ness
          Steve Young (white SF 49ers)

          College
          Replica:
          IU Basketball white/cream #3
          IU Football red/crimson #14
          Last edited by pwee31; 09-10-2010, 10:15 PM. Reason: If we're naming all jerseys.. I must update

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          • #6
            Re: What jerseys do you have?

            Ugh...

            Swingman
            2006 O'Neal home (autographed)
            McRoberts away
            Granger Home
            Hibbert Home (confirmed 1st Hibbert jersey ever sold)
            Hansbrough Home
            Reggie '05 Home (pinstripes, bought while he was still playing so it isn't a "throwback")
            Murphy Away (autographed)
            Granger Away Gold (confirmed 1st gold jersey ever sold)
            Personalized Away
            Granger 2009 All-Star
            Granger Away
            Reggie '87 Away
            Dunleavy Home
            current home shorts
            current away shorts
            '87 away shorts

            Authentic
            Granger Home
            Dahntay Jones Home
            Reggie Flo Jo
            current home shorts

            Replica
            Reggie 2003-2004 throwback
            Hansbrough Home (autographed)
            Personalized Home
            2001 Jalen Rose home
            1999 Jalen Rose away gold
            1999 away gold shorts
            1997 away shorts
            1996 Reggie olympics
            1994 Reggie flo jo

            Colts
            2005 Manning home replica
            2007 Vinatieri home replica
            2007 Addai away replica
            2008 Addai home authentic
            2008 Manning away replica
            2009 Manning home authentic

            Reds
            2000 Jr. Griffey authentic
            2006 Reds BP authentic
            Joey Votto authentic (my most expensive jersey ever...)

            Misc
            1997 John Elway Denver Broncos away
            Magic Johnson Lakers Sand-Knit from 1989


            This is just off the top of my head. When I get home and have a minute I'll get the rest. This year's goal is to get an authentic Boomer jersey. Yes, I'm gonna do it.
            Last edited by duke dynamite; 09-10-2010, 02:29 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: What jerseys do you have?

              this thread is a good opportunity for me to ask a question I have had in my mind for quite some time :

              why do Reebok and now Adidas replicas have a different shape from the originals? In this I mean above all the wide shoulders... That's always surprised me and bothered me a bit since I am not a huge fan of wide shoulders jerseys...
              I also ask because in France we have Champion replicas and they respect the original design pretty well.

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              • #8
                Re: What jerseys do you have?

                You ready for this?

                Authentic, Champion:
                Miller (Flo Jo, blue)
                Person (Rookie, blue)

                Replica:
                Person (Flo Jo)
                Kenny Williams (yes, really) (Flo Jo)

                Dream Team II:
                Miller (Blue)

                Dream Team III:
                Miller (White)
                Miller (Blue)

                NBA@50: (Pacers '74)
                Miller (White)

                Pinstripes:
                Mullin (Blue)

                Then I stopped. I reallly didn't like the pinstripes. And I haven't liked the roster since they changed to the current uniforms so I haven't bought one. I think I'll be asking for a Hibbert jersey for Christmas, though.

                I also have:

                Authentic shooting shirt to match the Flo-Jo's (mostly worn during the Larry Brown era).
                Authentic Flo-Jo warm up jacket
                Authentic shooting shirt from Bird's first season as coach (with "Pacers" across the shirt tail)

                Football: ()

                Rod Woodson (Black)
                Hines Ward w/ Steelers 75th season patch (Black)
                Troy Polamalu w/ Super Bowl 43 patch (White)
                Jerome Bettis w/ Super Bowl XL patch (White)
                James Harrison Pro Bowl (Red, white and blue jersey)

                The one I'm missing is the Gregg Lloyd w/ a Super Bowl XXX patch.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #9
                  Re: What jerseys do you have?

                  Originally posted by BKK View Post
                  this thread is a good opportunity for me to ask a question I have had in my mind for quite some time :

                  why do Reebok and now Adidas replicas have a different shape from the originals? In this I mean above all the wide shoulders... That's always surprised me and bothered me a bit since I am not a huge fan of wide shoulders jerseys...
                  I also ask because in France we have Champion replicas and they respect the original design pretty well.
                  When Reebok took over in 2002, Allen Iverson was their "star". If you remember, the Sixers' jerseys had wide shoulders. They fashioned the replica jerseys after those.

                  As for Adidas, well they bought Reebok in 2006.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What jerseys do you have?

                    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                    NBA@50: (Pacers '74)
                    Miller (White)
                    I can has? I've been looking for this one for ages!

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                    • #11
                      Re: What jerseys do you have?

                      I have an old Dale Davis I think pre-FloJo I picked up in Seoul Korea whilst touring with a band back in '93... also had them put together a varsity jacket with the Pacers' ABA logo with the ABA across it (had to sketch it on a napkin) which turned out pretty nicely, but got lost.

                      Kids have had Reggie/JO and now Danny.

                      Thinking it's time to get back into the game with a Hibbert.
                      "I mean, you'd walk into our dressing room and run into Mel Daniels holding a .45 -- it makes you wonder."

                      Bob Netolicky

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                      • #12
                        Re: What jerseys do you have?

                        I did this awhile ago, so...

                        Originally posted by count55 View Post
                        Well, I don't have pictures or a listing of my memorabilia, but here's a list of my jerseys:

                        Code:
                        Count	#	Player/Description
                        1	1	Stephen Jackson/Road Pinstripe
                        2	1	Ike Diogu/Home Current
                        3	1	Jarrett Jack/Home Current Swingman
                        4	3	Al Harrington/Road Pinstripe
                        5	3	Sarunas Jasikevicius/Road Current
                        6	4	Travis Best/Road Pinstripe
                        7	5	Jalen Rose/Home Pinstripe
                        8	5	TJ Ford/Alternate (Yellow) Current Swingman
                        9	7	Jermaine O'Neal/Road Pinstripe
                        10	7	Jermaine O'Neal/Alt (Yellow) Cur Swingman
                        11	7	Jermaine O'Neal/'72-73 Throwback Swingman
                        12	8	Anthony Johnson/Home Current
                        13	10	Jeff Foster/Yellow Pinstripe
                        14	11	Billy Keller/67 Throwback Swingman
                        15	11	Jamaal Tinsley/Yellow Pinstripe
                        16	12	Travis Diener/Home Current
                        17	13	Mark Jackson/Road Pinstripe
                        18	14	Freddie Lewis/'67 Home Swingman
                        19	15	Ron Artest/Road Current
                        20	16	Peja Stojakovic/Home Current
                        21	17	Mike Dunleavy/Home Current
                        22	20	Freddie Jones/Road Pinstripe
                        23	20	Freddie Jones/Home Current Swingman
                        24	23	Ron Artest/Road Pinstripe
                        25	23	Ron Artest/Home Pinstripe
                        26	23	Ron Artest/72-73 Throwback Swingman
                        27	24	Jonathan Bender/Road Pinstripe
                        28	24	Rik Smits/Road Flo-Jo Swingman
                        29	25	Brandon Rush/Road Current Swingman
                        30	30	George McGinnis/'72-73 Road Authentic
                        31	31	Reggie Miller/Road Pinstripe
                        32	31	Reggie Miller/Home Pinstripe
                        33	31	Reggie Miller/Road Flo-Jo Authentic
                        34	31	Reggie Miller/Yellow Pinstripe
                        35	31	Reggie Miller/Road Flo-Jo
                        36	31	Reggie Miller/72-73 Throwback Swingman
                        37	31	Reggie Miller/74-75 Throwback
                        38	31	Reggie Miller/87-88 Throwback
                        39	32	Al Harrington/67 Throwback Swingman
                        40	33	Antonio Davis/Road Flo-Jo
                        41	33	Danny Granger/Home Current Swingman
                        42	33	Danny Granger/Road Current Swingman
                        43	33	Danny Granger/Home Current
                        44	33	Danny Granger/'67 Throwback Swingman
                        45	34	Mel Daniels/'72-73 Throwback Swingman
                        46	35	Roger Brown/'67 Throwback Swingman
                        47	40	Steve Stipanovich/87-88 Road Throwback
                        48	44	Austin Croshere/Road Pinstripe
                        49	55	Roy Hibbert/Road Current Swingman
                        50	55	Road Current Personalized Swingman
                        51	55	Home Pinstripe Personalized
                        Just tipped over 50 this year.

                        Not listed here is an Autographed Reggie Miller UCLA Jersey. I also have two IU Basketball Jerseys (Alan Henderson Authentic, Brian Evans Replica), two IU Football Jerseys (Lewis and, believe it or not, Rob Turner), the following Colts Jerseys:

                        #4 Harbaugh Blue
                        #18 Manning White
                        #18 Manning White Authentic
                        #21 Sanders White Authentic
                        #28 Faulk White
                        #28 Faulk Blue
                        #29 Addai Blue Authentic
                        #32 Edge White
                        #55 Coryatt Blue
                        #58 Brackett Blue
                        #63 Saturday Blue Authentic
                        #87 Wayne Blue
                        #88 Harrison White
                        #88 Harrison Blue
                        #93 Freeney White

                        I also have a Derek Jeter Yankees Pinstripe, Authentic.
                        Add Pacers:

                        #3 Troy Murphy/Road Current Swingman
                        #11 Billy Keller/'67 Throwback Home
                        #50 Tyler Hansbrough/Home Current Swingman

                        Add Colts:

                        #11 Anthony Gonzalez Road
                        #17 Austin Collie Road

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                        • #13
                          Re: What jerseys do you have?

                          Serious question fellas

                          I heard this on the radio in Chicago. "At what age is a man too old to wear a jersey? The overall response was after 30 a man should not wear a team jersey with a current players name on the back

                          They said the execption was a "throwback" like an old Chuck Person jersey, for exxample

                          So If I am over 30 and still rock jereseys do I need to grow up?

                          Thanks
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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                          • #14
                            Re: What jerseys do you have?

                            In Chicago, there are a lot of old guys that still rock in their Urlacher jerseys. So I like to wear my Bettis jersey and then ask them if I can pick them up and carry them five yards into the endzone just like the real Jerome did to the real Urlacher.

                            I guess I'm not very good at making friends.

                            It happens to be that I was about 27 when I got the Mullin jersey, and I really didn't like the pinstripes so I wasn't going to get another ugly pinstripe jersey. So I was >30 after the change to the current design and I just can't see me wearing one out of the house now. But I may get a Hibbert jersey to wear when I'm watching games or if I ever decide to attend another game in person.
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • #15
                              Re: What jerseys do you have?

                              Count, I think you got #8 wrong.

                              Surely it was an Eddie Johnson #8. Or a Mickey Johnson #8. But not an Anthony Johnson #8.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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