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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    Kahn is collecting SFs this year. There's no way he would pass Granger up.


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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

    hmmm, not sure you'll find that anywhere.
    To ME a chucker is a slightly derogatory term for an inefficient scorer.
    One who gets his points, but takes a lot of shots to do it.
    There are a few very efficient scorers out there.
    They make their teams better with their scoring and they do it on a minimum of shots so the other players on the team are more involved because they know they have a chance to handle the ball.
    A Chucker is one who isn't really that caliber of scorer, but he's the best his teams got so he gets the ball in the crunch situation.
    just my definition.

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    Define chucker. Distinguish between chucker and scorer.
    Here is my sense of the distinction using the same player:

    scorer = Danny year before last

    chucker = Danny with his 2009-2010 shot selection (including contested shots with others open, 3's randomly early in the shot clock, unnecessarily 'tough' shot, et cetera and so on).
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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

    Any of you guys think that with Big Boy Roy's commitment to hard work in the low post (e.g., improving fouling situation, post moves, Walton) and conditioning (body fat at 10%) that he should be mentioned in the article?

    I really think Collison+DG+Roy is going to be a monster this year and if I were Indy, I'd have season tickets yesterday.

    Throw in a healthy Tyler (fingers-crossed) and off-dopeRush/George...

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    You kinda make it sound like Danny is some chucker. I actually just read another post in another forum about this: "I think people tend to look at his FG percentage which was 44.7 and 42.8 last two years and assume he is just a chucker. The truth is he just takes a lot of threes and he converts them at a good enough rate to make him efficient. He averaged 26 points on 58 percent true shooting last year and 24 points on 56.4 percent true shooting. Not to imply that he is as good as them at scoring but both those percentages were better than what Melo, Kobe and Wade posted during those years." (Thanks to Ninja Sheppard of the GameFAQs.com S&R NBA board)

    Not everyone could score an efficient 20+ PPG,but Danny does a good job of it.

    Kevin Love can do "the little things". Is that really worth giving up a star? It's not.

    A guy that averages 14/11/2.5 WHILE doing "the little things" is rare... sign me up for trades like that all day.

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    A guy that averages 14/11/2.5 WHILE doing "the little things" is rare... sign me up for trades like that all day.
    No doubt

    Love is a stud, maybe because he doesnt have that primadonna attitude he is not considered "star material"
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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

    If you suddenly decide you're willing to move Granger, I'd think you'd have a lot of takers. Lots of teams could put together a decent package, not just Minny.
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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    If you suddenly decide you're willing to move Granger, I'd think you'd have a lot of takers. Lots of teams could put together a decent package, not just Minny.
    Would Atlanta be interested in Granger? Would anyone here be interested in a trade involving Granger and Horford?

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    Would Atlanta be interested in Granger? Would anyone here be interested in a trade involving Granger and Horford?
    I doubt Atlanta would be interested, seeing how much Danny's game duplicates Joe and Josh down there...

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    I doubt Atlanta would be interested, seeing how much Danny's game duplicates Joe and Josh down there...
    ..... and Josh?

    Josh ... Smith? Danny plays a similar game to ... Josh Smith?

    Have you ever seen the said player ... play?

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

    Danny was a chucker last year, and I intend the negative connotation. If you won't take my word for it, go check out T-bird's player analysis of Danny. Even our favorite resident coach talked about his terrible shot selection, firing up 3's with no sense of the game situation.

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

    We're not trading Danny.

    I don't know why a lot of people want to.

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    We're not trading Danny.

    I don't know why a lot of people want to.
    I would do anything for Love, but I won't do that...
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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    We're not trading Danny.

    I don't know why a lot of people want to.
    I never said that I wanted to. I just think that a trade bringing in Horford would be intriguing, considering that there aren't many good power forwards in the NBA and small forwards are less important and easier to find. Also, if Paul George impresses this year and we think he could be at Danny's level or better (as I do) in the future, you consider using Danny's value to land one of those few good power forwards.

    You could have a lineup of:

    Collison
    ? (free agent we spend our cap space on)
    George
    Horford
    Hibbert

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    Any of you guys think that with Big Boy Roy's commitment to hard work in the low post (e.g., improving fouling situation, post moves, Walton) and conditioning (body fat at 10%) that he should be mentioned in the article?

    I really think Collison+DG+Roy is going to be a monster this year and if I were Indy, I'd have season tickets yesterday.

    Throw in a healthy Tyler (fingers-crossed) and off-dopeRush/George...
    Yes, some of us see that potential.
    But until they do something that's all it is.
    Crossing fingers.......

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    Default Re: Scoutsí Views: 5 guys about to make it big [Collison mentioned]

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    We're not trading Danny.

    I don't know why a lot of people want to.
    I don't think a lot of people "want" to.
    Talking about his game and being unhappy that he is less than I think he could be doesn't mean I want to trade him.
    He's still the best player on this team.
    He's a classy guy and a hard worker and has been a very clean face of the Pacers.
    And IF he understands that we have OTHER weapons now, and he can subordinate his shooting some and put some of that energy saved into playing defense, rebounding and blocking shots. Again.
    He can be an all star that way.
    And a more respected one.
    He can be the scoring guy (and not a lot else) until Roy takes that job over.
    Average glossy scoring numbers.
    Or he can be the unquestioned leader of this team with his all around play and leadership.
    Understanding that Roy can score. Darren can score. Brandon can score. Dunleavy can score. Hansbrough can score. PG will score (maybe hugely so someday)
    HE"S GOT HELP NOW!
    I think this is the year for him to chose his path.

    I would go so far as to say that there might be no more clear indicator of the success or failure of this team than what happens to Dannys numbers.
    If he's shooting (and scoring) as much, we are probably not much better than last year.
    If his scoring is down, but his % is up. And his rebounding and blocked shots are up.
    This team is probably in the playoffs.
    JMO
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