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  • #31
    Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

    I, for one, still would like to see Lance Stephenson in action for the Pacers and hope that he has learned from this that he can't put himself in bad situations. I'm no judge so I can't convict him or throw him in jail, but as a fan I can hope for the best and root him on to success if he is proven innocent. I feel Larry is doing the right thing by keeping him away from the team at the moment so that there are no distractions, and to let the other rooks/new players gel with the team before having to deal with Lance's problems.

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    • #32
      Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

      Originally posted by Cherokee View Post
      I wonder if there is any chance Lance gets a deal (perhaps paying the woman a few 100K) so that the charge is reduced to a misdemeanor resulting in public service and a fine or maybe 30 days in home (or gym) arrest? Has it gone too far for that? I forgot to get my law degree 40 years ago.
      Lance might pay her some number under the table if she agrees not to cooperate with investigators and the prosecutor... which would force their hand to go forward without the victim's co-operation (making a conviction more difficult). Which would put the state in the position of deciding if that was worth it versus offering some type of lesser charge in a plea agreement hoping to get something versus working hard and getting nothing... or dropping the charges altogether. And I suppose a deferment is always a possibility in that scenario...

      Any deal where Lance pays his girlfriend will not be a deal negotiated through the prosecutor's office or even negotiated above the table.

      And she may feel she can pursue the criminal charges and then sue civilly and 'put him where he belongs' AND collect a check... so she might not be inclined to accept an apology and check under the table and let him escape justice...

      Or she might decide she loves him and doesn't want to see him go to jail...

      The police do not need the victim to pursue charges, but it gets way more difficult to try a case under those circumstances...
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      • #33
        Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

        Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
        I keep thinking that ultimately the charges will be dropped altogether. I'm not saying that they should be or that I'm pulling for that to happen. I just think that's where this is heading and Lance will be back on the team before the preseason is over.

        I agree. It seems like more often than not you have this scenario play out regardless of what might be right or wrong. Bottom line is that unless this guy gets tossed in jail or some other "guilty" action then he will be on the team. It's hard to punish a guy when things go like that.

        But, if this doesn't play out with reduced or no charges then I think life goes on until he does something that gives the pacers a good legal reason to release him.

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        • #34
          Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
          I dont think so

          If he is proven not guilty then what leagl right would they have to "bannish" him

          Players union would step in, we would lose just like we lost the Tinsley arbitration
          That case never went to arbitration.........

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          • #35
            Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

            Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
            I dont think so

            If he is proven not guilty then what leagl right would they have to "bannish" him

            Players union would step in, we would lose just like we lost the Tinsley arbitration
            I guess I'm on your "ignore" list

            Read my post about this particular aspect:

            My guess is that they learned from the whole Tinsley lockout and that this type of issue was brought up as part of negotiation tactics on Tinsley's side. Lance is technically working out at a Pacers facilities....just not the main one that everyone else is working out at.
            From a legal perspective, technically....Lance is not "bannished" per se.....he is practicing and using A Pacer facility ( which I assume is something that is loosely spelled out in his contract )....he's just not allowed to practice at Conseco itself where everyone else would be practicing.
            Last edited by CableKC; 09-03-2010, 05:43 PM.
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            • #36
              Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              The trial won't be until the first of the year at the absolute earliest.
              Thats my point

              If he has been charged, but not been to trial , he is presumed innocent under the law

              I really dont think they can make a move until either a plea agreement is reached or he is found guilty or not guilty
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              • #37
                Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                Originally posted by bphil View Post
                They have him [Lance Stephenson] quarantined so he doesn't contaminate the other rooks apparently...
                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                If this is how it's going to be, they may as well just cut him.
                I don't know...I don't think you can cut a player who has a guaranteed contract unless he has been convicted of a infractions (crime) per league rules. But keeping him away from Conseco isn't a bad thing. It will certainly send a message to the rest of the team that if you screw up, you will suffer the consequences.

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                • #38
                  Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                  I guess I'm on your "ignore" list

                  Why would you say that?

                  You are one of the people here I enjoy conversing with

                  In fact I dont even know how to "ignore" anyone

                  Not the case my friend
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                  • #39
                    Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                    Admitting or being found guilty has nothing to do with the options the Pacers have. They can request waivers on him at anytime.

                    Training camp opens a couple weeks before his first court date so when the Pacers start making the news again, his name will naturally get mentioned. Nothing about Lance & his situation will be positive for the Pacers. The longer he remains with the team the longer the negative press.

                    I hope the dude gets his **** together just as much as anyone else. Bird has spent the better part of his time here clearing out the knuckleheads & attempting to clean up the image of the team. Allowing this punk to wear a Pacer uni would undo all the work that he has done.

                    He should have been gone already.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                      Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                      Why would you say that?

                      You are one of the people here I enjoy conversing with

                      In fact I dont even know how to "ignore" anyone

                      Not the case my friend
                      NP...j/k. As mentioned before.....IMHO...this isn't a true case of "bannishment". What's unfortunate, if not sad, is that our luck with Players is so bad that this isn't the first time that the FO had to resort to this. Bad stuff like this happens so often that the FO has a prepared script on what to do when we get hit by this bad PR stuff.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        I guess I'm on your "ignore" list

                        Read my post about this particular aspect:


                        From a legal perspective, technically....Lance is not "bannished" per se.....he is practicing and using A Pacer facility ( which I assume is something that is loosely spelled out in his contract )....he's just not allowed to practice at Conseco itself where everyone else would be practicing.
                        But you're assuming this 'pseudo' banishment is a banishment at all. It could have more to do with simply not wanting Lance photographed with the other players and/or not wanting any type of disruptions of this nature at practice for now.

                        It may even be something entirely different that isn't even the Pacers' doing or idea but something that Lance's legal team wanted to help shield Lance from questions.

                        Without more info I don't think anyone should assume this is any type of lesson learned from the Tinsley case. Both sides blinked BEFORE the hearing in the Tinsley case. And both sides got some relief ultimately as well.

                        And let's not forget, the Pacers wanted to 100% banish Tinsley. They might not be so inclined for Lance...
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                        • #42
                          Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          he's just not allowed to practice at Conseco itself where everyone else would be practicing.
                          Yes, or . . . it may not be a mandate or order. They may have asked, and he agreed, given all the circumstances.
                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                          • #43
                            Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                            Perhaps the FO is just trying to show that they are taking an active role in rehabilitating Lance and after all is said and done will give him a second chance. They are trying to show its not business as usual.

                            All kinds of possibilities exist as mentioned on this thread but it is not impossible that he will be a pacer this year. They are going through a lot of trouble for a player some seem to think will be cut or traded.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                              Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                              Perhaps the FO is just trying to show that they are taking an active role in rehabilitating Lance and after all is said and done will give him a second chance. They are trying to show its not business as usual.

                              All kinds of possibilities exist as mentioned on this thread but it is not impossible that he will be a pacer this year. They are going through a lot of trouble for a player some seem to think will be cut or traded.
                              No, not impossible. Depends on what comes out at trial -- if there is one. Then the Pacers can investigate and ask questions, and it depends on what comes out of that. I'm sure part of the reason Lance is quarantined is because if he talks to anyone -- Pacers brass, players, staff, whoever -- they can be called as a material witness. There's no way, NO WAY, they want any chance of that, so they're controlling the environment.

                              The Pacers hate their rep with knuckleheads, but they also don't want a rep for making arbitrary, unfair judgments.

                              So yeah, nobody knows. But if the allegations are believed by the Pacers, it's hard to imagine that Lance will stay on board.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Lance not allowed in Conseco

                                Originally posted by NuffSaid View Post
                                I don't know...I don't think you can cut a player who has a guaranteed contract unless he has been convicted of a infractions (crime) per league rules. But keeping him away from Conseco isn't a bad thing. It will certainly send a message to the rest of the team that if you screw up, you will suffer the consequences.


                                I've said this b4 that the Pacers can cut Stephenson to make a roster spot for Rolle. Cutting a 2nd rounder with a guaranteed contract was done with White, so a precedent has already been set. The Pacers don't have to give a reason why they cut Stephenson.

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