Someone on the team will get more rebounds this upcoming season. From what I've seen these past two years, I wouldn't be surprised if Brandon averaged six a game. What I want from him is more good shot attempts, that's all. I think and hope Collison will provide these.
There are a lot of fair comments in this thread. The only thing I see missing is recognition that Brandon is a workhorse. With 2491 minutes last year, he played the most minutes of any Pacer and was 25th among NBA guards for total minutes. That part of his game deserves respect.
I hope he stays healthy while improving on the aspects already mentioned.
And I won't be here to see the day
It all dries up and blows away
I'd hang around just to see
But they never had much use for me
In Levelland. (James McMurtry)
I'd like to see Collison play a lot more to verify this. However, Collison, no matter what he does, is always going to have defensive limitations due to his size.
The fantastic thing about Rush is that he has virtually no physical limitations when guarding other SG's.
2. Who? A healthy Dunleavy deserves minutes over Rush, but we haven't see that in 2.5 years. Paul George is a 20 year old who didn't score a ton at Fresno State. Lance Stephenson may or may not be on the team next season. Rush has been, by far, the 2nd best wing player on the team over the last 2 seasons.
3. I can't really argue with this other than to say that Rush seems content being something other than what most Pacers fans really want him to be (and, to a certain extent, what the Pacers need him to be). Everybody wants him to be Pippen-SG or Reggie-2, but he's more content to be Bruce Bowen or Eric Snow-SG.
I believe that Rush will take a step forward this year as long as Ford is not on the court much. He plays terribly with Ford, for whatever reason. The player pair stats aren't available for last season, but in '08-'09 the Rush-Ford combo was one of the worst on the team.
What I really want from Rush is for him to develop a mean streak. I'm fine with him playing excellent defense, shooting 40% from the arc, and averaging 12 ppg. I don't care about his stats at all. I would like him to trip Kobe in the playoffs, stick his foot under guys as they take jumpers, and "accidentally" punch guys in the nuts while fighting through picks. Great defensive players aren't just guys who are physically and mentally capable, they are also guys who are either intimidating (Ron Artest) or extremely annoying (Bruce Bowen).
Sadly, what I want from Rush might be just as unrealistic as what everybody else wants.
Also, I'll gladly sign on for more and better free throw shooting.
"A man with no belly has no appetite for life."
- Salman Rushdie
CONSISTANCY & AGRESSIVENESS.
I think a real good pg (crossed fingers) gets him the ball in the right position and often on the move, where he doesn't have to think, he just uses those wonderfully fast twitch muscles of his and gets it up. Get it to him on the run, in the paint and he'll get to the line a lot more.
he's NOT a throw it to him, create his own shot guy.
Not yet anyway.
He HAS the outside shot to make them play him tight AND the quicks to get around them when they do.
He's just got to do it more consistantly.
He really WAS doing that a lot more at the end of the season when the team was playing very well.
He seems to thrive when the whole team is playing well.
PS - Brandon shot better 3% last year than Reggies career avg.
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...and he's big enough to hold his own with a lot of 3's.
Agreed. Rush is just an all around better player than Dahntay. Dahntay is a nice, tenacious 15 minute garbage guy, but he's a poor offensive player, and only an average or slightly better defender.1. Rush's offense and defense are better than D. Jones. The only offensive weapon that Jones has is aggression. He's often a ball-stopper and a black hole.
I think Rush has already passed Dunleavy - at least what I expect out of Dunleavy going forward - and George will have to make a huge leap to get there. It seems to me that Rush has pretty much locked up the starting 2 (small wing) slot, and he's not going to be challenged (assuming he avoids the aforementioned pooping.)2. Who? A healthy Dunleavy deserves minutes over Rush, but we haven't see that in 2.5 years. Paul George is a 20 year old who didn't score a ton at Fresno State. Lance Stephenson may or may not be on the team next season. Rush has been, by far, the 2nd best wing player on the team over the last 2 seasons.
However, I'm not sure that Rush has reached the level that Daniels or even Jack played on a consistent basis yet. He should surpass both, and he should have done it by now.
I think this oversimplifies the argument a bit, much like the guys earlier who were explaining dissatisfaction with Rush away by saying defense was undervalued and that fans were shallow.3. I can't really argue with this other than to say that Rush seems content being something other than what most Pacers fans really want him to be (and, to a certain extent, what the Pacers need him to be). Everybody wants him to be Pippen-SG or Reggie-2, but he's more content to be Bruce Bowen or Eric Snow-SG.
I never expected Reggie or Pippen, and I don't expect Bowen or Snow. He simply will never be good enough for the first two, and he doesn't have the mental make up for the last two.
My problem with Rush is that he sometimes seems to be content with having no responsibility, whatsoever. I can never quite put my finger on it, but, with rare exception, I'm always left thinking that Brandon was less than he should have been in any game. This is certainly more pronounced on offense, but it's true on defense, as well. He is a natural defender, but not a lock down guy, and he still is iffy in his team rotations.
Overall, I would certainly keep Rush over guys like Murphy, Dunleavy, Dahntay, and some others, because the player he is is better than the players they are. However, I tend to both respect and trust Rush less than guys like that, because I believe those guys are as good as they can make themselves, while I think Rush is considerably less than he can be.
Side note: I hate 82games.com. It was fascinating at first, but they're too tight with their data, and it's too processed. Hoopdata, Basketball Value, and Basketball-Reference all are much more user friendly, and have plenty of great information.I believe that Rush will take a step forward this year as long as Ford is not on the court much. He plays terribly with Ford, for whatever reason. The player pair stats aren't available for last season, but in '08-'09 the Rush-Ford combo was one of the worst on the team.
It's interesting you comment on this, because I just got done with a Play-by-play mapping. Here's a taste as it relates to Rush:
With Watson @ Point: 1250 minutes, eFG .560, TS% .576, Per 36 minute stats: 12.8 pp36, 4.9 rp36, 1.5 ap36
With Price @ Point: 480 minutes, eFG .496, TS% .502, Per 36 minute stats: 10.0 pp36, 5.0 rp36, 2.2 ap36
With Ford @ Point: 739 minutes, eFG .435, TS% .441, Per 36 minute stats: 9.3 pp36, 5.2 rp36, 1.5 ap36
(He played about 21 minutes with Diener or somebody else at the point.)
Sadly, I don't see this coming, either. I had said in another thread that as he became less important, he became more useful. I think he'll always underachieve, and therefore, he'll always be cheap, so I'm can live with the underachieving because it's still OK basketball.What I really want from Rush is for him to develop a mean streak. I'm fine with him playing excellent defense, shooting 40% from the arc, and averaging 12 ppg. I don't care about his stats at all. I would like him to trip Kobe in the playoffs, stick his foot under guys as they take jumpers, and "accidentally" punch guys in the nuts while fighting through picks. Great defensive players aren't just guys who are physically and mentally capable, they are also guys who are either intimidating (Ron Artest) or extremely annoying (Bruce Bowen).
Sadly, what I want from Rush might be just as unrealistic as what everybody else wants.
Yeah, his FT numbers are ****ing embarrassing.Also, I'll gladly sign on for more and better free throw shooting.
I'd be ecstatic with one addition to his game: drawing more fouls.
He drives me nuts just like McKey did. He doesn't realize how good he is and he likely never will.
Still, he's a consistently great defender, very close to lock down. He's also a very good rebounder at his position. He fills a greater need than almost any player on our team.
You are also underestimating the value of holding an opponent to a low % of output because an elite defender will typically be guarding the opposing team's best scorer, who is responsible for a significant component of his team's offensive output. In fact, the team's entire offensive plan tends to run through such players. Making that star have a bad game can disrupt the entire team's offense. I'm not necessarily saying that Rush is already the lockdown DPotY candidate who can routinely do that, but I think he could continue to move towards that in the right system. He's already very good now with few physical limitations to stand in his way (very strong, solid, good size, and pretty quick). I would not want to lose or marginalize a guy with the potential to do that. I'd want at least 1 or 2 guys in any young core who can get stops and keep opposing scorers out of rhythm and prevent them from taking over games. We've certainly seen the importance of such defenders in the playoffs, and that just happens to be when it really counts.
Obviously he misunderstood when team officials told him they wanted him to come out of the gate smoking this season...
Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
Hmmm. Very telling with this recent news.
I think we all know it affects the ability for someone to concentrate and it has a tendency to mellow people out.
I did some research and it also causes memory problems, distorts perception and causes people trouble with thinking and problem solving. In addition it impacts psychomotor coordination. Most of this is bad stuff on the court and might explain why he's been such an enigma with all of his physical abilities...and his skills.
The kid can shoot the rock and defend with the best of them. Drug use could very well be the issue. If anything, the number of times he has been caught indicates he is a regular user and his ability to develop is almost certainly affected. The issue is that the NBA is not an easy league to excel in. He is competing with players who may be a lot more dedicated to their craft and take better care of themselves. While he is staying up getting high, they may be sleeping allowing their brains to be fresh and focused for practice the next morning. He comes in dragging a bit and fuzzy. So...if he's doing drugs all the time, that will take away from what he could be...even if he is not high on the court. If he is a bit high out there, obviously his performance is not what it could be.
I think Brandon and Danny would think they'd died and gone to heaven with a healthy Tyler setting picks for them. Brandon should be able to get an open look any time if he picks the right angle and uses his quickness to
come off the wide bodied picks. Wouldn't even have to put it on the floor.
There is only one thing that causes you to shoot 60 percent from the charity stripe: lack of effort, practice, and focus.
1. What am I asking of Rush over the next year?
Better focus, awareness, deliberation, and more energetic and purposeful activity.
2. What am I asking of Rush over the next month?
I would like him to make a public statement to this effect: "I apologize to the fans of Indianapolis for breaking the rule on drug use. I pledge to never use drugs again as long as I am with the Pacers. I apologize for not having a lifestyle more conducive to physical and mental excellence, and I pledge to give 100 percent in the future to making myself the best possible player I can be for this franchise."
If Brandon could live up to such a public statement, then my answer for "what I want from Rush" over the next year could also become a reality.
Last edited by McKeyFan; 08-28-2010 at 10:56 AM.
"I like our group of people," Ainge told USA Today. "I'm trying to teach them about basketball, and they're trying to teach me about analytics."
I want Brandon Rush to stop smoking marijuana.
i want him to get out of indiana and never come back.
If he is an occasional user...once every couple months...it's probably not an issue. It takes maybe half the time to get out of your system. The issue is if he's a regular user, once or more a week. In that case, it takes 2 or more weeks. It's just about impossible to avoid getting caught under those circumstances. There's also the drug bust issue of course which makes even more good news for the Pacers...