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Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

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  • #46
    Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

    If melo would resign then yes.

    Not only is he the better player but it would attract better players to Indy because melo is a top talent in the league.

    People won't come here to play with Danny.

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    • #47
      Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

      I wouldn't do it.

      1. Significantly more dollars for Carmello once he re-signed, meaning far fewer dollars available to obtain help for him.

      2. This team still needs improvement at several postions in order to become a contender. The difference between Carmello and Granger is "x", but the difference between what we have and what we need at SG and PF is "x+y". In other words, we have other positions that require far more improvement for us to contend than what we gain in going form Granger to Carmello. We have a pretty darn good wing in Granger, let's concentrate on improving other positions. Otherwise, you become better because you now have Carmello, but you still have your work cut out for you because we still fall far short at SG and PF.

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      • #48
        Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

        Melo has had Billups, Martin, Birdman, and other talent around him. Granger hasnt really had much to work with esp a pg.

        Would rather have Granger at 11M, than Melo at 16M. plus now that Granger has a pg, and other talent around him, I think he will improve overall as a player. Less energy exerted on the offensive end, and defenses not being able to focus on him only. I dont think Melo is that much better.

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        • #49
          Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

          Melo's is a bonafide NBA superstar. Yes, I believe he's in the class of LeBron,Kobe Wade, Chris Paul and whoever else you want to put in that group. The NBA is a superstar driven deal. I like DG as much as the next guy, but if you have the chance to upgrade, you do it. However, it's a moot point because there's no reason why Carmello would sign an extension in Indiana if he's not going to sign one in Denver.

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          • #50
            Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

            Originally posted by Dece View Post
            They really just aren't all that similar. Danny cannot create his own offense, Melo can. I can't stress enough how big a difference this is.

            Melo is a better ball handler, a better passer, has a post game, rebounds better, and I don't really get the claims that Danny is better on defense, Danny blocks a few shots, but he hasn't played defense in 2-3 years.
            I don't understand how "Danny cannot create his own offense." How do you score almost 26 points per game in the best basketball league in the world, when you "cannot create your own offense?" You mean to tell me that Earl Watson and TJ Ford are responsible for creating this offense?

            IMO Carmelo is a level below Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc. Would I trade them straight up? Probably, but I don't think it makes the Pacers much better.

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            • #51
              Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

              Some people fail to remember that the season before last, Danny averaged more points per game than 'Melo , at a very similar shooting%, whilst being the center of the defense's attention on a much worse team.

              Danny was what - 5th in the league in scoring in 08-09? That's an elite level scorer. Danny can create his own shot.

              Now last year was a down year for him. Injuries and a team in disarray helped cause that. Also a coach that encourages him to launch 3-balls at every opportunity hurts his game.

              I'm not saying Danny is better than 'Melo, I think it'd be pretty close with either on this team. However I much prefer Danny's demeanor, maturity, personality and commitment to the Pacers. Danny's the guy for this team in my book.

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              • #52
                Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                For me, I would not trade Danny for Melo straight up right now, simply because Danny has also scored more than 20pts per game at a relatively cheaper, and at the same time longer, contract. Although Melo scores more, a 1-year rental with no guarantee of him signing again for the Pacers assuming we acquire him is not worth it. If he didn't re-sign for extension with Denver, which has significantly better over talent on all positions, why would he in Indiana, which has upcoming players but are not yet better? Also he had public disputes before with George Karl, who is one of the better coaches in the league today, then we're expecting him to have the same or much worse scenario with JOB, which can affect the team chemistry and his level of play. And he also had some off-court issues in the past, which is critical for this team.

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                • #53
                  Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                  Some of you are saying you would do the trade only if Melo signed a long term deal. I think that's a silly position to take. Why? Because I think if Melo wanted out he would rock the boat until he was traded. So a long term contract means nothing. I believe Danny on the other hand would never rock the boat.

                  No way I would do that trade.

                  Some of you would trade for a team serving time in the pen if you thought it would mean better players. NOT ME! I want to like the players on the team I root for. Some of you aren't old enough to realize the journey is what make's things sweet, not championships.
                  Last edited by Will Galen; 08-20-2010, 06:28 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                    Originally posted by MLB007 View Post
                    +1
                    He is NOT the guy to give a max contract to.
                    For your information Danny's contract is reasonable right now because he signed this contract before his breakout season just wait that as soon as his player option comes he is going to up out and be signed for the max and all the flexibility everybody here keeps talking about is going to be gone.
                    Last edited by vnzla81; 08-20-2010, 06:44 PM.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #55
                      Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      For your information Danny's contract is reasonable right now because he signed this contract before his breakout season just wait that as soon as his player option comes he is going to up out and be signed for the max and all the flexibility every here keeps talking about is going to be gone.
                      Granger doesn't have a player option on his contract. He's locked in until 2014.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                        Originally posted by PacersPride View Post

                        Would rather have Granger at 11M, than Melo at 16M.
                        Maybe at $16M it is not bad, but this guy has been refusing to sign an extension to his contract that is worth $65M over three years! If the reports are right, that would have him averaging over $21M per year. Do you really want that much of what may be a reduced cap (after the new CBA) tied up in one guy?

                        Folks, we've been there before, (not at @21M per year, but close enough) how did that work out for us?

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                        • #57
                          Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                          Indiana Pacers
                          Assets: Danny Granger, Darren Collison, Mike Dunleavy's expiring contract, T.J. Ford's expiring contract, Jeff Foster's expiring contract, Paul George, Dahntay Jones, Brandon Rush, Tyler Hansbrough and Roy Hibbert.

                          What's the deal?: Including Granger in a trade would move the Pacers to the front of the pack. Larry Bird has already lamented that his team is far from a finished product. However, would Anthony want to stay in Indiana without a talent like Granger's?

                          Bottom Line: No team can entice the Nuggets like Indiana can, but that doesn't mean a deal will get done. No one will trade for Anthony being absolutely certain he's coming for the long haul. The Pacers would look very foolish if they traded Granger only to see Anthony sign elsewhere next summer.
                          Is it finally starting to get hot in Naptown?

                          i would love to see Carmelo at the 3 and Danny at the four


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                          • #58
                            Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                            If we could get carmello for expirings, drafts picks and paul george would you do it?

                            Its a gamble but with granger, melo and collinson we have to be looked at as a threat. Get melo here and show him we are willing to continue to put the pieces into place to win him a championship and he may just stay.

                            If not we lose paul george who could be a elite talent and some draft picks.

                            Denver knows they are going to lose him so draft picks and potential may take him.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                              Carmelo Anthony is a 30ppg threat, a go-to scorer with the offensive versatility and the shot-creation skills that Granger lacks. I think you can, and should, build around this type of scorer.

                              He isn't a MVP contender, he isn't at the level of LeBron James or Dwight Howard, but he's immediately bellow them, an All-NBA player, a top-3 player at his position, possibly a top-10 player in the league. A maximum contract type of player, a difference maker.

                              Carmelo should be a lot better than he is though. He should be better moving without the basketball (which he was doing very well pre-Iverson), he should share it more, be a better rebounder and a much better defender. I thought playing alongside Iverson had a negative effect on Carmelo's game. Cut his progression. It will be interesting to monitor how his game evolves if he ends up moving out of Denver.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Question: Will you trade Danny Granger to Denver for Carmelo Anthony?

                                Originally posted by dohman View Post

                                If we could get carmello for expirings, drafts picks and paul george would you do it?

                                NO! I don't like the odds of being able to re-sign him, and if not you gave away a lot of assets including Granger for nothing. PASS.

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