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    This has been posted a couple of times over in the big giant thread but I want to make sure that this gets out there for all to see.

    In my opinion this is about perfect as far as response goes from the club.

    http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6423

    Statement from Indiana Pacers President of Basketball Operations Larry Bird:

    The news of Lance Stephenson’s arrest is very disappointing to the Pacers franchise and to me personally. We have worked very hard to bring in players that are excellent representatives of our franchise, community and state both on and off the court. Our commitment to this goal is too strong to permit the actions of one individual to reverse all of the positive strides that have been made as a franchise over the last couple of years or to hurt the image of the rest of the players on our team. Everyone in the Pacers organization remains strongly committed to our players representing Indianapolis and the state of Indiana in a positive way and will not condone behavior that reflects poorly on this franchise and community.

    We are continuing to gather all of the facts regarding Lance’s arrest but regardless of the outcome of the investigation, Lance should not have put himself in the position he was in early Sunday morning. We have consistently emphasized to our players the importance of not putting themselves in situations where bad things can happen. Once all the facts are known we will deal appropriately with Lance so that he, the team and the entire Pacers community understands that this message cannot be ignored


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    This has been posted a couple of times over in the big giant thread but I want to make sure that this gets out there for all to see.

    In my opinion this is about perfect as far as response goes from the club.

    http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6423

    Statement from Indiana Pacers President of Basketball Operations Larry Bird:

    The news of Lance Stephenson’s arrest is very disappointing to the Pacers franchise and to me personally. We have worked very hard to bring in players that are excellent representatives of our franchise, community and state both on and off the court. Our commitment to this goal is too strong to permit the actions of one individual to reverse all of the positive strides that have been made as a franchise over the last couple of years or to hurt the image of the rest of the players on our team. Everyone in the Pacers organization remains strongly committed to our players representing Indianapolis and the state of Indiana in a positive way and will not condone behavior that reflects poorly on this franchise and community.

    We are continuing to gather all of the facts regarding Lance’s arrest but regardless of the outcome of the investigation, Lance should not have put himself in the position he was in early Sunday morning. We have consistently emphasized to our players the importance of not putting themselves in situations where bad things can happen. Once all the facts are known we will deal appropriately with Lance so that he, the team and the entire Pacers community understands that this message cannot be ignored

    I think what needs to be done is this...


    The Pacer's front office buy a full page ad space on the front sports page , with the statement in huge fonts..
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    I think what needs to be done is this...


    The Pacer's front office buy a full page ad space on the front sports page , with the statement in huge fonts..
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    You don't understand at all, Kemo.

    This is not a sports-page story. It is a crime story. It is a tax policy and public administration story. It is a human rights story. It is a story of "the thing we fear the most."

    It is waaaaay bigger than the front of the Sports section.
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    You don't understand at all, Kemo.

    This is not a sports-page story. It is a crime story. It is a tax policy and public administration story. It is a human rights story. It is a story of "the thing we fear the most."

    It is waaaaay bigger than the front of the Sports section.
    True, and I'm surprised at the mild response - particularly from Kravitz.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...-await-verdict

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    True, and I'm surprised at the mild response - particularly from Kravitz.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...-await-verdict
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    True, and I'm surprised at the mild response - particularly from Kravitz.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...-await-verdict

    In all honesty , after just reading Kravitz's story .. while it is mild for a Kravitz piece ... I whole-heartedly agree with pretty much everything he wrote in that article ...
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    In all honesty, after just reading Kravitz's story .. while it is mild for a Kravitz piece ... .

    Yes, it is surprisingly mild for Kravitz.

    Stephenson for the next 2 months, prior to his court date, had better keep his nose clean; or he'll have no future in the NBA whatsoever.

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    You don't understand at all, Kemo.

    This is not a sports-page story. It is a crime story. It is a tax policy and public administration story. It is a human rights story. It is a story of "the thing we fear the most."

    It is waaaaay bigger than the front of the Sports section.

    I understand what you are saying Putnam ..
    At the time , I was just thinking to myself of the horrid bad p.r. stories the Star would write up about it , further making it a P.R. nightmare...


    What I was stating was simply ,(or meaning by my statement rather), that if
    that were the case... It would be very wise for the Pacer's F.O. to try and save some face, and at least make it KNOWN to the general joe blow reading the sports section by me exagerrating , of them putting up a full page ad as a message to the Pacers fans .. that the Pacer's front office cares about our image and that we will do the right thing ..... basically..

    That's all I really meant by my statement... early on when we had just first found out about this...

    We are damn lucky (knock on wood) , that this story hasn't received a whole alot of media exposure up to this point...


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    With all the experience this front office has had dealing with this type of ****, I would hope that they'd be able to put together the Kubla Khan of "response statements" at this point.

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    I would hope that they'd be able to put together the Kubla Khan of "response statements" at this point.

    Yeah, I imagine the phrase "through caverns measureless to man" rings true to the PR and marketing departments about now.
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    With all the experience this front office has had dealing with this type of ****, I would hope that they'd be able to put together the Kubla Khan of "response statements" at this point.
    My guess is that the Pacers PR department has a standard template with "fill in name of troubled Player" throughout the draft. In fact are we sure this isn't the same PR response from the last time this happened?
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    Seems about right in overall message, but seems possibly a little bit soft. Might just be my perception of it, though.

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    Seems about right in overall message, but seems possibly a little bit soft. Might just be my perception of it, though.
    I'm just curious, (I hate that I have to say that, but people on the internet tend to over react to just a simple question) why do you feel it is a bit soft?


    Personally I think they said exactly what they should have. It is disappointing, we can't really make a decision until we know all the facts, and he shouldn't be in the situation, which I took to mean that even if it proven false he will most likely receive some form of discipline.

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    I'm just curious, (I hate that I have to say that, but people on the internet tend to over react to just a simple question) why do you feel it is a bit soft?


    Personally I think they said exactly what they should have. It is disappointing, we can't really make a decision until we know all the facts, and he shouldn't be in the situation, which I took to mean that even if it proven false he will most likely receive some form of discipline.
    "Possibly" a bit soft. It likely is right on the money, but with the fiascos the Pacers have been through and public perceptions being what they continue to be with respect to the franchise, it surprised me that the statement was quite as even handed as it seemed to be. From a pr standpoint, it would seem that, despite being morally wrong, more of a guilty until proven innocent tone, without actually coming right out and saying that, would have lent a little more credibility to the franchise taking a hard line stand against players that have issues off the court.

    Again, it is probably just me and the mindset I am in currently that made me perceive the statement as being possibly a bit soft.

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    Thanks. I don't have time to even begin reading the big fat Lance thread.
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    i dont know about the rest of you but ive just about had it with all the negative attention this has brought to the pacers. and by negative attention i mean a thread over 600 responses long.

    i know the guy is potentially innocent, but then again, its just like the statement says, he shoulda avoided this situation regardless. now none of us are perfect, so im not crucifying the guy, but the pacers have to do what is best for the TEAM!!!!!

    Stephenson, has a ton of raw talent, and i think many of the pacer fans would care less if he is a pacer or not, as long as he doesnt end up on another team and become a star. honestly, if lance is cut and NO ONE picks him up, does anyone care quite as much? the fear is he gets picked up and becomes a very good player. but probability is he continues his troublesome ways and yet time and time again it will get covered up, until eventually it catches up with him once again.

    bottom line. Stephenson is on his way out the door and i could care less, b/c the pacers made one helluva a deal last week to get the pg we so desparately needed. again, im not trying to jump to conclusions, but if what has been reported is accurate than this guy is gone. i dont want him on the team, even it meant an NBA championship, i dont want this guy on the team.

    its sickening if what is reported is true. okay thats my rant on this subject and now back to the continued LS saga.

    i mean seriously **** this guy and the horse he rode in on.

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    My official statement reads something like this...
    We are continuing to gather all of the facts regarding Lance’s arrest but regardless of the outcome of the investigation, the Pacers should not have put themselves in the position they were in early Sunday morning.
    It's not like the Williams/White draft is so long ago it could be forgotten. Cincy, super athletic gifts, attitude issues make the player a clear underachiever, Pacers check on player and feel he's ready to take a step forward and prove his issues are behind him.

    There were players on the board. The next statement should be "Whoops, we skipped a crapload of guys even hobbiest draft experts saw as solid, safe options. Our bad."


    Rexnom's point is sadly dead-on. At this point maybe they should punt on apologies and move into defiant indifference with something more along the lines of "What?!? You gotta problem with our pick?!? That's what I thought, now go stu-fu and get outta my face."

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    There were players on the board. The next statement should be "Whoops, we skipped a crapload of guys even hobbiest draft experts saw as solid, safe options. Our bad."
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    De'Sean Butler is looking better and better by the minute.



    Hey, its my turn. You've taken the lead for the past couple of years. Back off.

    I don't love Butler, but he is an excellent example of reasons you didn't have to go fishing for potential. IMO the draft has changed since the age restriction and we are seeing an odd shifting of talent late in the season and into workouts. With guys shooting up on workouts only or players making late runs up the board during play the draft ends up really shuffled around quite a bit. The last few years there have been some well known quantities sitting in the 2nd round.

    No pick is certain, but it seems like we are seeing safer 2nd round picks than in the past. It's not mining the deep talent or getting lucky when you grab Buddinger or Price in the 2nd round.

    I just couldn't agree to chasing Lance's talent with guys like Jordan or even Butler on the board. Those are guys that could make it just as well as Lance could without the off-court risks.

    I hate the "swing for the fence" approach to drafting. I've been on the trade down side in the last few drafts in fact because I'd rather have a couple of those lower guys than just one guy at 10-15.

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    I don't what you guys are reading but I take it as Bird saying......

    Lance is never going to be a Pacer but we can't just come out & say that for a couple days.

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    I don't what you guys are reading but I take it as Bird saying......

    Lance is never going to be a Pacer but we can't just come out & say that for a couple days.
    I've wondered about that.
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    It's clear from the statement: he won't ever play as a Pacer. He might not always be a knucklehead, but right now it's a bad bet. Larry just got done telling him how important it was to keep it together - and now this? It's a bad betrayal.

    Best thing for Lance is for his career to get put on hold and take a big long look in the mirror. If they can't rescind the contract, he ought to be man enough to give them the money back - it would be the right thing to do, but more importantly it would be the smart thing to do, because everyone in the league will hesitate to invest in him if they think it's just throwing their cap space down a rathole.

    He's awfully young; he may not realize that his whole future now hangs in the balance. If I were advising him, I'd tell him that it's time to take some extraordinary actions. Apologies are not enough, especially not the formulaic mumblings that are the norm for transgressing athletes nowadays.

    Best thing for the Pacers: just get out, and be glad it didn't happen in the playoffs.

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    It's clear from the statement: he won't ever play as a Pacer. He might not always be a knucklehead, but right now it's a bad bet. Larry just got done telling him how important it was to keep it together - and now this? It's a bad betrayal.

    Best thing for Lance is for his career to get put on hold and take a big long look in the mirror. If they can't rescind the contract, he ought to be man enough to give them the money back - it would be the right thing to do, but more importantly it would be the smart thing to do, because everyone in the league will hesitate to invest in him if they think it's just throwing their cap space down a rathole.

    He's awfully young; he may not realize that his whole future now hangs in the balance. If I were advising him, I'd tell him that it's time to take some extraordinary actions. Apologies are not enough, especially not the formulaic mumblings that are the norm for transgressing athletes nowadays.

    Best thing for the Pacers: just get out, and be glad it didn't happen in the playoffs.

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    Clear from the statement. Good. Glad you believe it is, and hopefully, assuming Lance is guilty, you are right in your assessment of the situation.

    Rescind the contract? What precedent or provision is there under the current CBA to rescind the contract? And, if there is, why hasn't it been used by teams, including the Pacers, prior to now?

    As far as being "man enough" to give the money back, that expectation is bordering on the ridiculous. There would be ramifications both for Lance (presuming he is guilty) and the woman he allegedly did this to, as well as their child. In my opinion, it would be selfish, not manly, of Lance to attempt to preserve a chance at an NBA career by giving back money that ultimately, at this point, is likely earmarked primarily for the woman and their child. If he is guilty, the odds of him playing in the NBA, at this point, are about as high as Roy Hibbert becoming deadly from beyond the arc (and don't get any great ideas about that, either, we need to just let Walton do his job).

    I also believe that the NBA as a league is becoming less and less likely to employ players with a history of significant violations of the law, and I would assume the new CBA will reflect just that. To believe that there are teams that would willingly pick up a player with this transgression in his history that is not already under contract with their own franchise is dubious at best, regardless of potential, especially with the current situation the league faces economically.

    Yes, Lance needs to take extraordinary actions. It is simply a question of what choices of actions he actually has, at this point, and when he will have any opportunity to take any appropriate actions that are not dictated by the courts and authorities. He gave up the vast majority of his freedoms, especially with the alledged severity of this attack.

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    Clear from the statement. Good. Glad you believe it is, and hopefully, assuming Lance is guilty, you are right in your assessment of the situation.
    It doesn't matter if he's guilty or not. The statement reminds us that the Pacers players were warned about not only not doing bad **** but also to stay away from where trouble can happen. Whatever the law finds about the former (and it looks really bad), Lance indisputably did not avoid the latter.

    That Larry Bird says that he is personally disappointed is not surprising - there can be no doubt that Lance got a very careful discussion about the Indiana franchise's need for its players to stay out of trouble, and not many weeks have passed before Lance was unable to "keep it together." He betrayed a personal trust with Larry Bird, who had told the media that he himself had made mistakes when he was young and everyone deserves a second chance. Will he now go in front of the media and say that everyone deserves a third chance?

    No, he won't ever play as a Pacer.

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    Rescind the contract? What precedent or provision is there under the current CBA to rescind the contract? And, if there is, why hasn't it been used by teams, including the Pacers, prior to now?
    First of all, what I said was "if they can't rescind the contract"; I wasn't claiming to know that they could. The CBA is not the only issue; all sorts of things get put into contracts, and I'm betting that you don't know what is in Lance Stephenson's any more than I do. On the other hand, morals clauses and cancellation clauses on the basis of criminal conduct are old traditions in contract law. Given the Pacers' recent history and their public sensitivity on the issue, I would not blithely assume that such clauses were absent from the contract of a contract partner who had screwed up in the past.

    In any case, no matter what: putting him on the court would be a PR nightmare for the team, and the chance of them risking further alienation of the fan base is zero.

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    As far as being "man enough" to give the money back, that expectation is bordering on the ridiculous.
    I never called it an expectation. I said it is what he SHOULD do; I said, "...he ought to give the money back." I think I said that plainly, and furthermore that that would be the smart thing to do as well as the right thing.

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    ... In my opinion, it would be selfish, not manly, of Lance to attempt to preserve a chance at an NBA career by giving back money that ultimately, at this point, is likely earmarked primarily for the woman and their child. If he is guilty, the odds of him playing in the NBA, at this point, are about as high as Roy Hibbert becoming deadly from beyond the arc...
    So you think that the Pacers should pay for Lance's legal troubles? That's very generous of you, but I cannot agree.

    I'm a little more cynical about his NBA prospects than you are, but there are leagues worldwide that he could play in, earning a handsome living. He has a very marketable skillset (which would have suited the Pacers' offense to a T, now damnably irrelevant).

    Lance told us he was attracted to the profession of the law; it looks like he'll get some education in it. One door closes and another one opens?
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    Default Re: Pacers statement regarding Lance Stephenson

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    First of all, what I said was "if they can't rescind the contract"; I wasn't claiming to know that they could. The CBA is not the only issue; all sorts of things get put into contracts, and I'm betting that you don't know what is in Lance Stephenson's any more than I do. On the other hand, morals clauses and cancellation clauses on the basis of criminal conduct are old traditions in contract law. Given the Pacers' recent history and their public sensitivity on the issue, I would not blithely assume that such clauses were absent from the contract of a contract partner who had screwed up in the past.
    The problem is a lot of times league CBA's can restrict those kind of clauses. So if the CBA doesn't allow it it doesn't matter how much tradition there is or whether or not the Pacer's wanted to put one in. I would hope that the those kind of clauses are allowed, but I find more times than not this world is 90% ridiculous and 10% common sense.

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