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    Default Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

    As Troy Murphy got traded to New Jersey, Roy Hibbert should be our Main Man now under the basket (Troy never was but I hope you know what I mean).
    I tried to break it down statistically but i left out some meaningful categories but well it's just a try here we go:

    Roy Hibbert played 81 Games in total, 10 of those without Troy Murphy playing in the game here are the statistical averages of those games.

    29,3 MPG | 6,7 FG | 12 FGA | FG% 55.83% | 3,3 FTM | 3,8 ORB | 5,1 DRB | 8.9 TRB | 2,5 BLK | 3,9 PF | 16,7 PTS | 15,3 Gamescore

    The Pacers won 7 Games against (NY,WAS,GSW,BOS,NJ,MIN,ORL) and lost against (2xNY,MEM).

    Now the stats for Roy Hibbert when playing together with Murphy in a Game.(Notice: not if they were on the court actually).

    24,55 MPG | 4,51 FG | 9,32 FGA | FG% 48.34% | 1,92 FTM | 1,96 ORB | 3,32 DRB | 5.28 TRB | 1,49 BLK | 3,46 PF | 10,97 PTS | 8,02 Gamescore

    Won 24 Games of 71.

    Of course the opponents were better when Roy played together with Troy, but doesnt this give us a hint that Roy should be our primary post presence and we should give him the ball more often in the post instead of jacking up trailer triples?
    I do remember the game when Hibbert schooled Dwight Howard (Troy didn't play). Pacers won the game.
    Roy had 26 points,8 rebs (4 off.) and 4 blocks.
    Howard had 11 points, 15 rebounds, 2 blocks, 5 turnovers and 6 fouls.
    Do you think the depature of Troy will give Roy more chances and improve his stats and the Teams Record like it was in the 10 games without troy last season or do you think its the other way round? I really how Roy's workout with Walton helped Roy to imrpove his Game. So what do you think.

    Excessive analysis is here (all games in excel):
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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

    Kind of thrashes the argument that we need a PF that can shoot the long ball to pair with Roy doesn't it? Impressive numbers to say the least.

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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

    Very interesting to see the jump in FG% and rebounds. Feed the hungry hungry Hibbert.

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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

    Hibbert needs an athlete next to him. Not a shooter.

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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

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    Hibbert needs an athlete next to him. Not a shooter.
    Ah, so obvious. I am certain Bird knows that and is moving in that direction. As Hibbert develops and gets physically stronger, we could run the offense through him. Defense and rebounding is most definitely where he needs help...which is what an athletic player is more likely to bring.

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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

    That stretch where Murphy was hurt, Roy did indeed do quite well on the boards.

    He was shut down vs. Bos (with only 2 boards), but then take a look at the other games during that stretch:

    vs DEN (when Murph got hurt in the first half, IIRC) 12 (3 off)
    @ NYK 14 (7 off)
    vs WAS 11 (6 off)
    vs GSW 9 (4 off)
    then boston
    @ NJN 10 (5 off)
    vs NYK 12 (4 off).

    That's all games one after the other.

    This left me convinced Roy will be alright on the boards.

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    A good point and well made, Daniel33.


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    Nice stats.

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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

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    That stretch where Murphy was hurt, Roy did indeed do quite well on the boards.

    He was shut down vs. Bos (with only 2 boards), but then take a look at the other games during that stretch:

    vs DEN (when Murph got hurt in the first half, IIRC) 12 (3 off)
    @ NYK 14 (7 off)
    vs WAS 11 (6 off)
    vs GSW 9 (4 off)
    then boston
    @ NJN 10 (5 off)
    vs NYK 12 (4 off).

    That's all games one after the other.

    This left me convinced Roy will be alright on the boards.
    I guess now we know which player Murph was stealing rebounds from.

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    Default Re: Troy Murphy vs. Roy Hibbert a Comparison

    You know you could do a similar statistical review of McBob when it comes to rebounding.

    In the 10 games where he played 20+ minutes average 25.5 minutes he averaged 6.1 rebounds.

    In the 5 games where he played starting minutes(25+) he averaged 28.8 minutes and 8 rebounds.

    If you just take out the games where he played less than 10 minutes he averaged 4.5 rebounds in 18.3 minutes.

    To me it doesn't look like he is a great rebounder, but he seems to be a lot better than given credit for, and is about equal with Hansbrough (17.6 min, 4.8 reb).

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