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What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

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  • #16
    Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
    I take offense at the comment that only actual fans knew that the Pacers biggest need was PG. I till firmly believe that PF was the biggest need. While an improvement at PG was needed a PG of Collison's talent will have a lot less impact on this team improving than a PF of similar talent playing next to Hibbert.


    Edit: The take offense part wasn't supposed to be as serious as it sounded, my bad.
    The problem is it seems as if JOB wasn't going to play Ford. So that left Price who was coming back from an injury, and Lance, a rookie non PG.

    As much as I dislike Ford. If Price had been healthy, a Price/Ford combo with Price getting the majority of the minutes wouldn't have been as bad as Troy..or a SG playing the PF. But as it is..JOB wasn't playing ford and we aren't sure if Aj will be ready by the start of the season (although it seems likely)

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    • #17
      Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

      Originally posted by beast23 View Post
      Pushing and driving the ball is so much a part of his game. Unlike Ford, Collison is capable of both finishing and dishing from his drives. IMO, if it even appears that Collison is being discouraged from driving the ball, JOB should be tossed to the curb immediately.
      Well, this will obviously be settled once the season starts, but I don't think O'Brien will have any issues with Collison - unless he starts pounding the ball and staring blankly at the defense like TJ did. In any case, consider this:



      The white lines are Collison, the grey lines are Price.

      As I had said previously, I think O'Brien will install more PnR's for Collison - just like for Price, but we'll find out.


      (On a separate note, somewhere in the dusty corners of my mind is the thought that it was once reported/said that Hansbrough had never in his life run a PnR before he got here. Does anybody else remember this?)

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      • #18
        Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

        Hey Pacers fans!

        I am an Orlando Magic fan, but with the trade that happen yesterday I just needed to sign up on here. The reason I am on an opposing teams forum (which I thought I would never do), is because my best mate is a massive Pacers fan and has been for sometime. There are not many NBA fans down here in Australia, so he talks a lot about his Pacers to me, and I do vise versa with my Magic.

        About a week ago on the Magic forum people were talking about who will make the last two spots in the 8 for the east. I said I would love it if Pacers made it, but then said I think they will finish 10th. Now, Bird finally made a good trade, and I am so happy for all you pacers fans to be able to acquire Collison for only Murphy (and taking on Posey's contract). I remember watching Vince Carter dominate and score 48 on Hornets last year, but that was not the thing that impressed me in that game (to be fair Carter should have had more of those) no... it was Collison. He killed it and finished with 27pts and 9asts, 4stls and shot 12-22.. the guy makes everyone better. Great defender, great slasher and penitrator, great play maker and very efficient.... He has it all, and does not make stupid errors and moves "cough" Ford "cough".

        So congrats on a steal! This is the move that will have saved Granger walking, and gives the Pacers that needed piece.Though I do see weakness at Power Forward. Bird did say he is not quite finished, so hopefully he can swing a deal and acquire a Power Forward who can start.

        Ps. Lance is unbelieveable, I watched all of his summer league games (I know it is just summer league) and he is awesome. I think he could play a bit of back-up Point guard. He just seems to be able to find players open and draw defenders. Paul George though..... he is a pure chucker, hopefully because he is raw, that he can be molded away from just jacking shots.

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        • #19
          Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

          I have a good feeling that our bench 2nd unit , have the potential to be just as good as our starters...
          That's kinda amazing if you think about it ..
          2 talented young units to pound the rest of the nba teams into the ground .. lol

          heck ,honestly , as a whole.. , if we are going by potential and perceived talent .. (with our younguns)..there doesn't appear much of a dropoff of talent between each position and their backup ..
          The potential is definitely there, now let's just sit back and watch and see if they grow ito what we think they are capable of being.


          DC/AJ
          Rush/Stephenson
          Granger/George
          Hans/Rolle
          Hibbert/McRoberts

          Then you got Foster, Dunleavy , whom if healthy and back to form .. will REALLY help this team...
          then there's Dahntay , and Posey ... ALL guys , whom if healthy will be key roleplayers..



          GO PACERS!
          Last edited by Kemo; 08-12-2010, 11:46 PM.
          "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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          • #20
            Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

            Nice write-up, thanks for taking the time to put it together!

            I think JOB will have no problem with DC, and if he does see ya later JOB.

            In terms of the PF position. It is hard to know what we will get out of Tyler. I hope and pray he can get back to his old form. In terms Mcbob, it's make or break time for him. JOB has to play him this season. I am so tired of hearing about how if he got minutes he would be really good, let's see it then. Unfortunately under JOB I think we will see more of the same with Mcbobs playing time. I do like hearing Bird say he would like to see more scoring around the basket from our 4 & 5 guys, which in my opinion is the way it should be.

            I am still pinching myself about us getting DC. I really think he is going to be the goods for us. If we can get our PF position locked down, I think we are a playoff team. So much can still happen, and I am over joyed by what Bird and David have done so far.

            Thanks again for the write-up The Lone Granger!!!
            Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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            • #21
              Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

              Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
              It also means that we could have 4 guys in the rookie-sophmore game on All Star Weekend assuming we sign Rolle somehow. Wouldn't that be a record?
              Wait we could have max. 6 guys. AJ and Hans ?

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              • #22
                Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                Originally posted by The Lone Granger View Post
                Thoughts?
                Well, you could change #3 and #4 in your signature.

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                • #23
                  Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                  Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                  I have a good feeling that our bench 2nd unit , have the potential to be just as good as our starters...
                  That's kinda amazing if you think about it ..
                  2 talented young units to pound the rest of the nba teams into the ground .. lol

                  heck ,honestly , as a whole.. , if we are going by potential and perceived talent .. (with our younguns)..there doesn't appear much of a dropoff of talent between each position and their backup ..
                  The potential is definitely there, now let's just sit back and watch and see if they grow ito what we think they are capable of being.


                  DC/AJ
                  Rush/Stephenson
                  Granger/George
                  Hans/Rolle
                  Hibbert/McRoberts

                  Then you got Foster, Dunleavy , whom if healthy and back to form .. will REALLY help this team...
                  then there's Dahntay , and Posey ... ALL guys , whom if healthy will be key roleplayers..



                  GO PACERS!
                  I agree.

                  And what will be even more fun, is seeing how different players play with each other. What kind of lineups you can generate.

                  Personally, I'm interested in seeing Stephenson and Price play together. I think they'll compliment each other, and NY boys tend to like playing together.

                  Personally though, my guess is JOB's favorite lineup is going to be Darren/AJ/Barndon/Danny/Roy.

                  Small, 2PGs, lots of shooting. It just seems like a Jimmy lineup..
                  And offensively that unit probably would do well together..defensively we could have an issue though..

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                  • #24
                    Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                    One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that now we can go into the 2011 free-agency period and possibly not have to look for a starting point guard.

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                    • #25
                      Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                      I take offense at the comment that only actual fans knew that the Pacers biggest need was PG. I till firmly believe that PF was the biggest need. While an improvement at PG was needed a PG of Collison's talent will have a lot less impact on this team improving than a PF of similar talent playing next to Hibbert.


                      Edit: The take offense part wasn't supposed to be as serious as it sounded, my bad.
                      Well, I think you're wrong. But we're all entitled.

                      When we didn't have a scoring pg AND 4 AND inconsistant 2, then maybe you're right.

                      But that scenerio has changed.

                      Collison's impact scoring, Hibbards continued development (he worked his butt off this offseason from what I've read) and Brandons and anything we get from George (we will) mean we don't need anything but putbacks, rebounds and defense.

                      We don't need an all star 4. Jeff Foster will do most of the things we need from the position quite well for part of the game. He can spell Roy for part of the game.
                      Danny will abuse the 4's he matches up with for another part of the game.
                      If Tyler comes back healthy we will have 48 minutes covered very adequately. Anything from Rolle and McBob is gravy.

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                      • #26
                        Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                        Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                        I have a good feeling that our bench 2nd unit , have the potential to be just as good as our starters...

                        DC/AJ
                        Rush/Stephenson
                        Granger/George
                        Hans/Rolle
                        Hibbert/McRoberts
                        !

                        (pass that over here)

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                        • #27
                          Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                          Originally posted by KingGeorge24 View Post
                          I don't know he has an actual nickname, but I've seen on other Hornets forums/related sites he was sometimes referred to as "DC2" or simply "DC".
                          I am not a comic guy but but maybe someone from DC comics.

                          Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
                          Let's give him number 3, so it can be DC3 vs CP3 when we play the hornets.

                          or " The Slasher" or " slash attack"
                          I seriously hope not. SInce he is small maybe call him "pound for pound" maybe "cpp" collison pound for pound the best pg in the NBA.

                          Originally posted by pizza guy View Post
                          If he proves to be a truly good point guard, I suggest "commander in chief" or POTUS. His position is "floor general," and his initials are DC. It just adds up.


                          --pizza
                          IMO it needs to be short. Maybe "the general".
                          Last edited by Gamble1; 08-14-2010, 11:57 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                            I think Foster should give him #10, so he could be DC-10. Like the airplane....Because he flies.... *crickets*

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                            • #29
                              Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                              To me what gets me excited is that for the first time in his playing career (high school, college and NBA) Hibbert will play alongside a starting point guard whose strength (or one of them) is driving and dishing to his big men inside. I was reading a round-the-table discussion regarding this trade with online experts of each team, and the guy who followed the Hornets said Collison was not all that great yet at driving and kicking the ball out to teammates on the perimeter but was very good at making the interior pass to his big guys. That would be something new and different for Roy and it could lead to a couple of easy baskets for him each game...the type of easy baskets that all other big men who play with very good point guards get. Just look at how Robin Lopez gets a bunch of easy points each game thanks to Nash's penetration and passing.

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                              • #30
                                Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                                Originally posted by Magic-man View Post
                                Hey Pacers fans!

                                I am an Orlando Magic fan, but with the trade that happen yesterday I just needed to sign up on here. The reason I am on an opposing teams forum (which I thought I would never do), is because my best mate is a massive Pacers fan and has been for sometime. There are not many NBA fans down here in Australia, so he talks a lot about his Pacers to me, and I do vise versa with my Magic.

                                About a week ago on the Magic forum people were talking about who will make the last two spots in the 8 for the east. I said I would love it if Pacers made it, but then said I think they will finish 10th. Now, Bird finally made a good trade, and I am so happy for all you pacers fans to be able to acquire Collison for only Murphy (and taking on Posey's contract). I remember watching Vince Carter dominate and score 48 on Hornets last year, but that was not the thing that impressed me in that game (to be fair Carter should have had more of those) no... it was Collison. He killed it and finished with 27pts and 9asts, 4stls and shot 12-22.. the guy makes everyone better. Great defender, great slasher and penitrator, great play maker and very efficient.... He has it all, and does not make stupid errors and moves "cough" Ford "cough".

                                So congrats on a steal! This is the move that will have saved Granger walking, and gives the Pacers that needed piece.Though I do see weakness at Power Forward. Bird did say he is not quite finished, so hopefully he can swing a deal and acquire a Power Forward who can start.

                                Ps. Lance is unbelieveable, I watched all of his summer league games (I know it is just summer league) and he is awesome. I think he could play a bit of back-up Point guard. He just seems to be able to find players open and draw defenders. Paul George though..... he is a pure chucker, hopefully because he is raw, that he can be molded away from just jacking shots.
                                Welcome Magic-man. Always interesting to hear another teams fans perspective. As far as
                                your thoughts on George, I believe chucking shots was what he was asked to do and as
                                summer league went on he started taking it to the hoop. He has I believe the makings
                                of a playmaker and a really good defender. He had 10? steals in one game.
                                {o,o}
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