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    I would do what UB is saying, keep the guy, you need a back up anyway and wait until another PG gets hurt and trade him for whatever
    Maybe, but getting him out of the picture may be just what this team needs to move on. TJ along with Troy will always remind me of the JO era hang-over.

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    Anyone with any ability to negotiate would not take less than 6.5M under the circumstances. 5M is what it would take to make up for the difference between his bloated contract and his actual market value. I don't blame him for seeking to profit. He really is in the driver's seat.

    But he should take 6.5M if it's offered. That is a fair deal because he will get to keep playing and make more money than simply rotting on the Pacer bench. It's fair to the Pacers because they save 2M on a player they have no interest in putting on the floor.
    He is in the drivers seat. And did say he aint accepting a buy-out. The thing is, and I am sure he will realise this sooner than later. He is going to get no mins. this season and really this could ruin his career. It is becoming more and more difficult for players to be able to stay in the NBA, and if he does not get playing time this season it most probably will torch any chance he has to play in NBA again.

    Do not forget how valuable expiring contracts are. And do not forget how many teams have large trade exceptions too! I think the Pacers are better off having his expiring as a trade asset than just buying him out.

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    For some reason when I read the first post and saw he was offered 5 million for his buyout the first thing that came to mind was what that would be like if the Pacers ran their organization through PD. I figured this interaction would go something like this....

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    For some reason when I read the first post and saw he was offered 5 million for his buyout the first thing that came to mind was what that would be like if the Pacers ran their organization through PD. I figured this interaction would go something like this....
    That might be the funniest post of the year. Good job.

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    This works:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=2a45bqx

    I wouldn't do it if I were the Bobcats, but they're fairly unpredictable.

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    This works:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=2a45bqx

    I wouldn't do it if I were the Bobcats, but they're fairly unpredictable.
    I'd definitely go for it as well, but I just don't see any way that Toronto takes back TJ despite the talks about that.

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    You could get it done by throwing in Dahntay

    Not sure if anybody does this, and I would hope we'd do it only to cut Dampier.
    Sign me up. That's my dream trade for TJ/ Dhantay.

    You're trading TJ and Dhantay for the opportunity to force O'Brien to give those minutes to Collison, Price (when healthy), Rush and Lance (when/ if ready.)

    Perfect.
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    Sign me up. That's my dream trade for TJ/ Dhantay.

    You're trading TJ and Dhantay for the opportunity to force O'Brien to give those minutes to Collison, Price (when healthy), Rush and Lance (when/ if ready.)

    Perfect.
    O'Brien is not going to give Ford any minutes, there will be no forcing required there.

    It is possible that Dahntay will take minutes, but by the end of the season, O'Brien had (appropriately) relegated him to being a 15-minute a night guy. I don't see him threatening Rush for minutes.

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    Its worth it just to lower the risk from 1% to 0%.
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    Its worth it just to lower the risk from 1% to 0%.
    Oh, I'd cut Ford outright I can't trade him or buy him out by training camp.

    I'm not as down on Dahntay as you are, but I'd have no problem dealing him, and I certainly want him at the back of the line in the Wing rotation behind Danny/Rush/George/Stephenson/Posey.

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    Wonder if Charlotte wasn't brought it on the Collison trade in fears that they would muck it up?

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    and I certainly want him at the back of the line in the Wing rotation behind Danny/Rush/George/Stephenson/Posey.
    And Mike.
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    I too would love to know who killed the Cha/Tor part of the deal. Was it MJ again? did Tor balk @ TJ despite the salery savings long term?
    If it were Cha, I wonder if we did/would offer the max 3 mil w/ D.Jones & TJ to Cha. Wouls seem to me that if we are trying to buyout TJ, & would save > 3 mil by cutting Damp, then adding 3 mil is easy to make this work. My guess is it's not that simple. Again, I'd love to know, because if Larry could pull that off turning TJ & DJ into Damps non-guarenteed deal on top of the Collison deal, he would be "carear year" off-season!
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    Sign me up. That's my dream trade for TJ/ Dhantay.

    You're trading TJ and Dhantay for the opportunity to force O'Brien to give those minutes to Collison, Price (when healthy), Rush and Lance (when/ if ready.)

    Perfect.

    That would be an excellent move. Opens up two roster spots for Rolle and Patty Mills.


    These are the types of moves that Larry Bird should have started making 5 years ago. Better late than never I suppose?

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    And Mike.
    Well, yeah, sorta. As poorly as Junior played last year, he was still a better overall basketball player than Dahntay, and from that perspective, he should be in line in front of Dahntay.

    However, I think of Junior the same way I thought of Murph. If they're on the roster, they should and will earn time ahead of some of the younger guys, but I don't see going anywhere with them, so lets move them off the roster.

    I think Bird/Morway would like to start the season without both Ford and Dunleavy on the roster. I think Obie wants Ford gone, and probably is ambivalent about Dunleavy.

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    I too would love to know who killed the Cha/Tor part of the deal. Was it MJ again? did Tor balk @ TJ despite the salery savings long term?
    I don't think it was killed per se. In Aldridge's piece (who first mentioned the deal was almost larger than just the 4-team deal) he said

    But in the end the four existing teams decided to move ahead with the trade. They all had their reasons...
    Technically it would have been two different trades HOU/NJN/NOH/IND and IND/CHA/TOR. It doesn't mean that second trade is dead, it just means that the second trade wasn't completed with the first.

    As far as why it wasn't ready to happen, I'd say both things you mention are possibilities. Perhaps they think, like many on this board do with TJ, that they can get more value for Jose at the trade deadline than just straight up savings. Jordan would potentially be trading straight-up savings in Dampier for around 3yr/$30mil of Jose Calderon (they wouldn't even re-sign Felton for less than that). I don't think it's a no-brainer for Charlotte and while Toronto is paying a lot for CalderJack, they don't have to rush anything now that they're out from Turkoglu's deal. Something like Count mentions (junk for junk straight up with CHA) makes the most sense.

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