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    I guess I have a different take than most of you.

    I think pacers should hold onto him. Depending on which veteran point guards get injured, Ford will have some trade value during the season and at the trade deadline with his expiring.
    Very true, his value should actual go up by then. I guess it goes back to the whole patience thing.
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    I guess I have a different take than most of you.

    I think pacers should hold onto him. Depending on which veteran point guards get injured, Ford will have some trade value during the season and at the trade deadline with his expiring.
    I agree with this. I'd still hold out some hope a deal could get done before the season starts if the various ruminations about Calderon and the Hornets are true

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    I guess I have a different take than most of you.

    I think pacers should hold onto him. Depending on which veteran point guards get injured, Ford will have some trade value during the season and at the trade deadline with his expiring.
    I agree, I would add that Ford might have been the one that brought this up. The Pacers have to know that his trade value will be high in Feb. If we are anywhere near the 5th or 6th playoff position (possibility) he's a high value expiring. We are under the LT, we're probably going to pay him about 5m by then anyway. It's still a possibility that he will be traded this summer.
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    no point in making rash decisions now that we've done so well thus far, yea?
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    But Dahntay is GOOD, a team player, and he plays defense.
    No he isn't.

    He's also not at all what I'd consider to be a team player.
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    I guess I have a different take than most of you.

    I think pacers should hold onto him. Depending on which veteran point guards get injured, Ford will have some trade value during the season and at the trade deadline with his expiring.
    Here's the question I have.

    Is Dampiers' non-guaranteed contract (assuming I remember this correctly) better than anything else we could acquire?

    Saving $8.5 million over 41 games is $207k per game. Assume an average ticket price of $50/ game, that is 4000 fans per game. Is there anybody they could trade TJ for that would increase attendance by 4000 fans per game? If not, Dampier's nonguaranteed contract looks mighty nice to me.

    And hey, Since Dampier makes more than Ford, I'm sure we'd be willing to throw in McBob or either Jones as a sweetner to the Bobcats and save a little more money.
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    I'd definitely go for a give-Ford-get-Dampier swap.
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    http://twitter.com/tj_ford/status/21016801387

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    I say just buy him out for 8 mil and give the other 500,000 to Rolle.

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    I don't think this deal is on the table anymore. It worked with the 4 team trade but you can't make the numbers work like they did. We would have to come up within 10% +100,000 of Damps contract and it doesn't work with TJ/Cald.

    We would have to add another player going to Charlotte.
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    He denied a buyout .... So this has to be a trade, no? He sounds like he's waiting to find out the direction too. Interesting.

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    does this mean Ford is as good as gone? it certainly sounds like it
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    does this mean Ford is as good as gone? it certainly sounds like it
    I agree, he's not part of the 3 year plan, he's an expiring, sounds like the triggers is about to fire.
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    I agree with Unclebuck. I'd rather see the team waive or buy out Solo or perhaps trade D Jones for a second round pick. I've never thought that the team would be able to trade all of our expiring contracts but they'll all increase in value as the trade deadline approaches. I still think a trade with a team having a fire sale is very possible and that team may prefer Ford to Dun, or Foster depending on their need.

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    Find out which direction his career will go? Only a few reasons for him to "tweet" something like this:

    1. He's having a sit down with Bird/Ob to see whether or not he is really going to get a fair shake at minutes this year.

    2. His agent advised him to take a buy out if a trade can't be found soon. Maybe the Pacers are giving his agent a chance to test the market for TJ if TJ is bought out.

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    From the sound of that tweet, for some reason my mind instantly jumped to there being a TJ trade soon.

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    Normally, if a contract is bought out (not only in basketball) it is bought out for about 82% of the remaining owed

    I agree, they Pacers were offering to buy him out at 58.8% which is a huge low-ball

    Yes , while I agree .. You also have to stop and consider how much of that contract TJ has actually "earned" .. The pacers sure as hell didn't get any renumeration (usage) out of TJ for most of last season .. So on one hand .. yes they lowball offered him .. but on the other hand , how much does TJ think he is worth , sitting on the bench?? and it's NOT because the Pacers up and decided "hey let's go another direction" and bench him .. He eaned that spot on the bench by his play , chemistry or lackthereof with the rest of the team , and by being beat out for starting spot by journeymen backup pg's ..
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    I agree with Unclebuck. I'd rather see the team waive or buy out Solo or perhaps trade D Jones for a second round pick. I've never thought that the team would be able to trade all of our expiring contracts but they'll all increase in value as the trade deadline approaches. I still think a trade with a team having a fire sale is very possible and that team may prefer Ford to Dun, or Foster depending on their need.

    Why exactly would we trade a 3 yr 8.1 million contract (D.Jones) for a 2nd rounder?

    Does the team we trade him to for that pick , take up his remaining salary??

    If not , then that would be an utterly stupid .. Kahnesque type move ... lol


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    Why exactly would we trade a 3 yr 8.1 million contract (D.Jones) for a 2nd rounder?

    Does the team we trade him to for that pick , take up his remaining salary??

    If not , then that would be an utterly stupid .. Kahnesque type move ... lol


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    Yes, that's what I had in mind. Find a team with a trade exception, or cap space that needs a defensive specialist. I guess the same trade could be made with Solo.

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    Is he trying to **** the franchise off?

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    Is he trying to **** the franchise off?
    He already did with his game performances.

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    Is he trying to **** the franchise off?
    There's no reason Ford should have to take 5 million. That's low balling him. If we don't make an agreement, he stays on the bench and makes his 8.5 Million..

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    I would do what UB is saying, keep the guy, you need a back up anyway and wait until another PG gets hurt and trade him for whatever

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    I don't think this deal is on the table anymore. It worked with the 4 team trade but you can't make the numbers work like they did. We would have to come up within 10% +100,000 of Damps contract and it doesn't work with TJ/Cald.

    We would have to add another player going to Charlotte.
    25%

    You could get it done by throwing in Dahntay

    Not sure if anybody does this, and I would hope we'd do it only to cut Dampier.
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    Anyone with any ability to negotiate would not take less than 6.5M under the circumstances. 5M is what it would take to make up for the difference between his bloated contract and his actual market value. I don't blame him for seeking to profit. He really is in the driver's seat.

    But he should take 6.5M if it's offered. That is a fair deal because he will get to keep playing and make more money than simply rotting on the Pacer bench. It's fair to the Pacers because they save 2M on a player they have no interest in putting on the floor.

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