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    No, we need an allstar level point. I'm hoping we got that or as close as we could ever expect
    That's a tall order. Jax only made the All Star game his rookie year. And just like Jax, if he's not second banana, yes he can be a championship level PG.
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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    HEY ! Darren Collison = D Armstrong?

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    from what I have seen. I think Collison is the best of that group
    Depends what kind of point guard you like. I think they've all got equal ceilings, but different players will fit different systems.

    Collison is ball dominant, the best of the bunch at driving to the basket, and the fastest.

    Ty Lawson is the best Fast break PG.

    Flynn is the most athletic.

    Price is the smartest of the bunch, and probably the most versitile.

    I don't know Maynor that well, I'll be honest, so I don't know where he fits in all of this, as I didn't see him much in college, nor did I see him much in the pros.

    Depends on what you want from your PG.

    I think with AJ vs. Collison it'll be good. It's good for kids to have a healthy competition. And we'll also find good combinations because they are different players. (AKA, it'd be better to have Stephenson and Price play together than Collison and Stephenson. Or with a bunch of shooters on the floor, it might be better to have Collison in as he can drive to the basket the best out of the two...) It's never a bad thing to have two young PGs with the possibility of being good starters.

    Edit: I also don't think size will be a problem for Collison. Small PGs actually can be a pain in the butt for a bigger one.
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    Really, I don't see that. Rose and Wall might just be better and maybe a lot better, but I don't think size will be the reason.
    He's 6'/160. He'll never have the body to handle the 6'4/200 athletic freaks like them, especially over a 7-game series. Now, if he can be paired with a Lance-type combo guard, or matchups are such that he could trade off with someone like Rush, that could be negated. He's got the speed and defensive acumen to be very good for his size, but it's still the NBA, size matters.
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    Collison is going to be outstanding in 2yrs. He has shown he could be a double double guy which not many guards can do in the nba at all.
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    I anticipate him being a fantastic player.

    The main reason I'm hyped is because he's an outstanding defender. And lord knows, we could use one of those.

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    I anticipate him being a fantastic player.

    The main reason I'm hyped is because he's an outstanding defender. And lord knows, we could use one of those.
    I agree.He has the quickness to stop the quickest pg's in the league.He will have problems against the bigger pg's because he's a small guy but I'm willing to live with that.This guy can come in tomorrow and average 16pts 8 assists a game , with a good FG%.I think he will be in that second tier of pg's.

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    To be honest, his game has some resemblance (to me) of Rajon Rondo or like a smaller, poor-man's version of Gary Payton, offensively. Obviously The Glove had the size to be a much better defender. He may never be as good as those two, but I think he can be 75-80% of that, which is just fine with me. Those are two of my favorite PGs. (I loved Rondo's play last year, he put together a great, great season). He does resemble Darrell Armstrong, but Darrell is sort of a bad comparison, because he took so long to get to the NBA (he was 27 when he signed with his first NBA team)... when he got to the NBA he already had quite a bit of pro experience overseas and didn't really make an impact until he was around 30 years old. Collison seems better than him already, and he only has one season under his belt and did it in the shadow of Chris Paul, which is just impressive. Collison is only 22.

    I get the feeling playing alongside Paul probably had a nice effect on his mindset and game.
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    To hard for me to tell exactly how good he will be but my thinking is top 10 p.g. which is pretty dang exciting to me considering the buffet of second hand chicken wings we have been eating from for the past few years.

    Is he a championship caliber p.g.? Sure he is. Now don't get me wrong he is not the center piece of a championship caliber team but he certainly can be a cog in the wheel and paired with the right players and coach's I think his talent level is enough to advance the team forward.


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    Darren Collison will be Marvin Gardens with three houses on it!




    Darren Collison will be the drum track on "When the Levee Breaks."




    Darren Collison will be that Loonie Tunes episode when Bugs Bunny pretends to be a conductor to get revenge on the opera singer who broke his banjo.




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    He'll be a clear starter at point guard. Simply how good he will be is up for debate....I just hope that we start playing a brand of basketball to emphasize his contributions.

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    I am just curious what everyone thinks.

    How good.

    Anyone ready to say one of the top point guards in the NBA. As good as Paul, Williams, Rose?

    I'll predict he'll be in the second group of point guards. Somewhere between 6th and 10th best in the NBA in two years as good as Tony Parker. if the pacers get good, he'll make an allstar team once or twice.
    I'll let him earn his way into that group.

    Right now I think he is good but not great. If I had to throw a prediction out there I would say he will never be a top 5 NBA pg. IN 2 years maybe a top 10 depending on who his teammates are ala Rondo and the Celts.

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    And if there's a more ambiguous way to make the point, I'd like to know what it is!
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    If he is still averaging 20/10 as our starting PG in two years, he will certainly be an all star. The big question is, were those games a fluke? Can Darren really continue to put up those type of numbers with a new team? I think our team is well suited for him, we have some great shooters in Rush, Granger and sort of in Dunleavy. We have a legit center in Hibbert who I can see Darren tossing all kinds of pretty lobs to. The assists will be there for him, maybe not the points.

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    He put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He's an above average starter.

    He put up those numbers playing in a PG-centric offense though. He's a guy who tends to hold the ball on his hands a lot. If he keeps playing that way, his chances of making an All-Star game will be much higher. If it's more conductive to his team winning, it's another story (it may be, depends on coaching+roster).

    I ranked him 6th among rookie guards (including Evans and Beaubois who are more combo-guards and Rubio who's still out) in the league, with the tiniest advantage over Jrue Holiday, some months ago:

    Top Tier
    1. Evans
    2. Rubio
    3. Jennings
    3. Curry

    Second tier
    5. Beaubois

    Third tier
    6. Collison
    6. Holiday

    Fourth tier
    9.Lawson
    10.Teague
    11.Maynor
    12. Douglas
    13. Flynn
    I'll keep this for the time being.

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    He'll be better than Vern Fleming.
    Better than Michael Williams.
    Better than Pooh Richardson.
    Better than Travis Best.
    Better than the guys who played during the years I didn't pay any attention.
    He'll be better than Jamaal Tinsley.
    He may never have a 41-point playoff game, but he'll be better overall than Anthony Johnson.
    Better than the kid with the crazy hair and the bad attitude.
    Better than Darrell Armstrong.
    Better than Jarrett Jack.
    Better than TJ Ford.

    And he'll make the Pacers a better team.
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    hmmm but is he better than Mark Jackson?

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    In terms of playing style Darren Collison is very similar to TJ Ford. He just doesn't lose so much time wandering around bouncing the ball and doing nothing like Ford in the last few years + shoots the ball better + runs the pick'n'roll better (even though he still tends to rush his shots when coming off screens as the ball-handler - that's an area where he'll have a wide margin of improvement next season, his scoring on ball/screen situations). Plus, he should be quite better defensively than Ford has been (he was already solid in his rookie season) but he has those same type of turnovers coming off penetrations where he takes off and then is left without passing options.
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    In terms of playing style Darren Collison is very similar to TJ Ford. He just doesn't lose so much time wandering around bouncing the ball and doing nothing like Ford in the last few years + shoots the ball better + runs the pick'n'roll better (even though he still tends to rush his shots when coming off screens as the ball-handler - that's an area where he'll have a wide margin of improvement next season, his scoring on ball/screen situations).
    So basically, you could say he plays with more PURPOSE.

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    So basically, you could say he plays with more PURPOSE.
    To some extent, sure , but it may not be so much having a purpose as it is the physical ability to actually get things done.

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    hmmm but is he better than Mark Jackson?
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    So, good but not as good as "What's Opera, Doc"?
    I still love the one with Bugs Bunny's take on "The Barber of Sevillie".
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    a smaller, poor-man's version of Gary Payton, offensively
    I think this is a very good comparison. He really does play like that.
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    Collison will definitely be the best PG since good Tinsley. That is worst case. Best case, he may be the best PG we have ever had by some distance. That's a nice range to think about IMO.

    My bet is that he's equal to good Tinsley. Close to Rondo level talent.

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    He put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He's an above average starter.

    He put up those numbers playing in a PG-centric offense though. He's a guy who tends to hold the ball on his hands a lot. If he keeps playing that way, his chances of making an All-Star game will be much higher. If it's more conductive to his team winning, it's another story (it may be, depends on coaching+roster).

    I ranked him 6th among rookie guards (including Evans and Beaubois who are more combo-guards and Rubio who's still out) in the league, with the tiniest advantage over Jrue Holiday, some months ago:



    I'll keep this for the time being.
    I'd take him over Beaubois, because I'm not sure Beaubois can ever run the point full time and he might be injury prone. I remember reading before he was drafted that he was a little frail, and he just broke something (can't remember what) this year.

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