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    Default Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    I am just curious what everyone thinks.

    How good.

    Anyone ready to say one of the top point guards in the NBA. As good as Paul, Williams, Rose?

    I'll predict he'll be in the second group of point guards. Somewhere between 6th and 10th best in the NBA in two years as good as Tony Parker. if the pacers get good, he'll make an allstar team once or twice.

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

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    I'll predict he'll be in the second group of point guards. Somewhere between 6th and 10th best in the NBA in two years as good as Tony Parker. if the pacers get good, he'll make an allstar team once or twice.
    I'm about where you are... but I think that depends on how our other players develop, what additional players we get with our cap space and draft picks and who our new coach will be.

    Collison is capable of penetrating, so it would be nice to see us pick up a brute to play PF that is capable of rolling to the hoop and finishing. I think Collison will be good in a 2-man game with the right PF, perhaps Hansbrough from our current roster. Looking ahead, I sure hope we can get our hands on Thornton or West next summer.

    The worst thing I believe could happen to Collison is for JOB to encourage him to hoist up some 3s. If Collison had some success in doing so, I hope he would not become more "me-first" oriented.

    Uh-oh. Maybe the next trade needs to involve the coach to help guard against my concern.

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    Why can't we predict whether he'll be back with us in 2011-2012?

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

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    Why can't we predict whether he'll be back with us in 2011-2012?
    He's under contract?

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    He's under contract?
    I thought this was his last year?

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    I thought for a while, most of the PGs in that draft topped at about the same place. (Flynn, Lawson, Collison, Price, Maynor) They'd all end up somewhere between solid backup and good starter.

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    I thought for a while, most of the PGs in that draft topped at about the same place. (Flynn, Lawson, Collison, Price, Maynor) They'd all end up somewhere between solid backup and good starter.
    from what I have seen. I think Collison is the best of that group

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    He'll be better than Vern Fleming.
    Better than Michael Williams.
    Better than Pooh Richardson.
    Better than Travis Best.
    Better than the guys who played during the years I didn't pay any attention.
    He'll be better than Jamaal Tinsley.
    He may never have a 41-point playoff game, but he'll be better overall than Anthony Johnson.
    Better than the kid with the crazy hair and the bad attitude.
    Better than Darrell Armstrong.
    Better than Jarrett Jack.
    Better than TJ Ford.

    And he'll make the Pacers a better team.
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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

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    I thought this was his last year?
    This was the first year of a standard rookie contract. He's now in the 2nd of 4. There are team options and stuff.

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    His draft profile is an interesting read, for someone who didn't really see the Hornets much last year:

    http://www.nbadraft.net/players/darren-collison

    2 - Darren CollisonUCLA
    Birthday: 8/23/87NBA Position: Point GuardClass: SeniorHt: 6-1Wt: 166Hometown: Rancho Cucamonga, CAHigh School: EtiwandaTeam Site ProfileStatistics

    NBA Comparison: Darrell Armstrong


    Strengths: Smooth, heady point who is one of the quickest guards in college basketball ... Has extremely efficient numbers both shooting from all places on the court as well as decision making, running the team ... Has a high basketball I.Q. displaying excellent passing ability (averaged just under 2/1 T:O ratio his senior year) ... Collison has proven to be a true leader at the point guard position having led his team to three straight final four appearances before his senior year ... Uses his lightning speed to blow by defenders to get to the basket ... Excellent on the ball defender, his quick hands and long arms really cause trouble for opponents (over 1.5 steals per game for his career) ... Has a great handle with the ball, and rarely makes bad decisions, and has shown that he can run a team ... Has developed a solid runner that he utilizes to cut off drives before getting in too deep against long athletic post players … Has improved his shooting ability over his college years at UCLA by shooting just under 40% from 3, and over 50% from inside the arc this past season ... Has been a proven winner from high school all the way through college, finds a way to get the job done ... Has a chance to become a starter and if not should make for an excellent back up …

    Weaknesses: His smaller size (body strength) makes it easy for bigger guards to have their way with him ... Needs to hit the weight room and get stronger if he wants to hold his own at the next level ... Has added some strength over the past few years, but it's obvious he doesn't have the body type to hold much muscle mass ... Has a very unorthodox jumpshot that could make extending his range difficult. Also has a slow release due to his elaborate shooting motion ... Must show that he can hit shots consistently at the NBA level, also needs to improve on his catch and shoot ability because right now most teams would look to sag off on him ... Really needs to focus on using his smarts at the next level on the defensive end to make up for his small frame ... Struggled to close out games in his senior year. Doesn't appear to be a guy with great go-to ability ... Lack of improvement in senior year brings his upside into question ... While an above average on ball defender on the college level, concerns persist that bigger and stronger pro PGs will be able to exploit his lack of height and body strength ...
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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

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    I am just curious what everyone thinks.

    How good.
    Probably above average, so from 8-15 IMO. I think he's solid, and probably will do pretty ok for us, but he's not going to be one of our stars and not going to be an all star, barring super stupid PG injuries. I didn't think Mo Williams was an all star, and I was proven wrong, so...

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    Why can't we predict whether he'll be back with us in 2011-2012?
    Well, he's not even restricted until 2013-2014, so I would certainly hope he would still be here until then.

    As I've said before, I loved this kid as a junior at UCLA and was scouting him heavily for us, right up until he ran into a buzzsaw named Derrick Rose and decided to stay another year.

    He's exactly what I look for in a point. He's got a good head on his shoulders and cares about playing D. He's not going to be a gangbusters numbers guy, but I think in a couple years he could very well be the undisputed leader of our team. Lord knows we need that.
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    This was the first year of a standard rookie contract. He's now in the 2nd of 4. There are team options and stuff.
    Exactly what I thought.

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    Better than Haywoode Workman (sorry, Woody)
    Jamison Brewer. (the one with the hair and the attitude)
    Kenny Anderson.
    Sarunas Jasikevicius. (who remembers him?)
    Orien Greene.
    Keith McLeod.
    Flip Murray.
    Travis Diener.


    My point is this: I dunno where he'll stand among the NBA greats in this position. But except while they had Mark Jackson the Pacers have been pretty weak at the point guard for years and years. This kid will raise the standard.
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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    I think he will be at or just below all-star level. It will depend on how good the pacers record is.

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    It will all depend on how he is utilized. If he is utilized the same way that every point guard O'B has coached here, Collison will be in the middle of the pack in the league, which would be a feat.

    If the offense is changed (Buck, I really, really, REALLY hope you are right about O'B changing the offense to suit his new pg) to a passing oriented offense, Collison could be in the conversation regarding an All Star appearance in a few years, especially with the scorers that the Pacers now have on the roster.

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    Better than Haywoode Workman (sorry, Woody)
    Jamison Brewer. (the one with the hair and the attitude)
    Kenny Anderson.
    Sarunas Jasikevicius. (who remembers him?)
    Orien Greene.
    Keith McLeod.
    Flip Murray.
    Travis Diener.


    My point is this: I dunno where he'll stand among the NBA greats in this position. But except while they had Mark Jackson the Pacers have been pretty weak at the point guard for years and years. This kid will raise the standard.
    As long as he stays away from our crazy strip clubs i agree with that.

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    The Pacers best overall PG since Mark Jackson

    -better defender than Mark Jackson
    -quicker in uptempo game than MJax ever was
    -hopefully lacks some of MJax's ego
    -more of an offensive threat than MJax was

    -can hopefully distribute the ball at least somewhere close to MJax in his prime, but that is a tall tall order.
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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    I guess the real question is this. Assuming the Pacers get to be good, will we say, we need a better point guard. In a ECF series will point guard be the reason we don't move to the Finals?

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    I guess the real question is this. Assuming the Pacers get to be good, will we say, we need a better point guard. In a ECF series will point guard be the reason we don't move to the Finals?
    I guess the question then is...will we have a team that needs a Derek Fisher type PG to win? I see our roster possibly doing that.

    But more than likely we need Collison to be the Rondo of this year rather than the Rondo of the championship year.

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

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    I guess the real question is this. Assuming the Pacers get to be good, will we say, we need a better point guard. In a ECF series will point guard be the reason we don't move to the Finals?
    The reason we won't move onto the Finals is called the Miami Heat. Not because of our point guard(s).

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    I guess the question then is...will we have a team that needs a Derek Fisher type PG to win? I see our roster possibly doing that.

    But more than likely we need Collison to be the Rondo of this year rather than the Rondo of the championship year.
    No, we need an allstar level point. I'm hoping we got that or as close as we could ever expect

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

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    I guess the real question is this. Assuming the Pacers get to be good, will we say, we need a better point guard. In a ECF series will point guard be the reason we don't move to the Finals?
    That's certainly possible. As I alluded to, he's too small to match up well with the Roses and Walls of the world. And while he is a heady distributer, he's never gonna have Nash/Kidd impact that can make you ignore such things.
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    That's certainly possible. As I alluded to, he's too small to match up well with the Roses and Walls of the world.
    Really, I don't see that. Rose and Wall might just be better and maybe a lot better, but I don't think size will be the reason.

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    Default Re: Prediction time: How good will Collison be in two years

    I'm not sold that he will be better than Tinsley before the Brawl, I think he will be a good starter, but I also think that Price could also be a good starter. Right now I am expecting, when AJ is healthy and fully recovered, a tough battle between them for the starting position.

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