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Emeka Okafor's value?

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  • Emeka Okafor's value?

    With all the CP3 rumors going on now, and it being rumored that Okafor will have to be part of any CP3 deal, what or who would you expect to get in return if you take on Okafor's contract?

    I ask this b/c I remember some of you were on board w/ taking Okafor w/ Collison in a deal around draft time, which means I'm sure you would all take Okafor w/ CP3 as well, but what other PGs (if any) would you take with Okafor?

    I know from other forums that the Pacers have been mentioned as a 3rd team in CP3 scenarios. What if the Pacers could get another PG at a little cheaper of a rate from another team if they take on Okafor as well?

    Take for example Orlando who's rumored to be atop CP3's wishlist. Would you be willing to take Okafor if you were getting Jameer Nelson? CP3 would likely require Hibbert or Paul George, expiring contracts and picks perhaps. What if we would only have to give up expiring contracts and say.... Rush for Jameer and Okafor, with the Magic giving up the picks and other young talent or pieces?

    What about Portland? Would you take Okafor for Dre Miller, or to get Bayless back?

    Mavs w/ Beaubois? Hornets obviously don't need a starting PG w/ Collison. They could likely use a backup PG, say T.J Ford who's an expiring.

    Perhaps other teams can enter the conversation IF CP3 requests a trade and it's granted.

    What do you guys think? Would you take on Okafor for any other PGs?

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    Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

    His value is less than zero. Meaning, they will have to offer up value just for another team to take him and his 65-year old back.

    He plays like he has cement shoes on now. The only blocks he gets are from players who drive directly at him. He can't move at all east-west.

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      Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

      [QUOTE=pwee31;1042584]Take for example Orlando who's rumored to be atop CP3's wishlist. Would you be willing to take Okafor if you were getting Jameer Nelson? CP3 would likely require Hibbert or Paul George, expiring contracts and picks perhaps. What if we would only have to give up expiring contracts and say.... Rush for Jameer and Okafor, with the Magic giving up the picks and other young talent or pieces?[QUOTE]

      The pacers have already made the mistake of taking on contracts the summer before they have cap space. That happend when we took Murphy and Dunleavys contracts on. It didn't turn out very well at all. So even if someone took TJ and Murphy you are pretty much putting the same exact players back on the roster. Jameer makes around 7mil for the next 3yrs. ford makes 8mil next year. murphy makes 11mil next year and emeka has 4yrs and 52mil left. thats more then what murphy would make if we simply resigned him. ford and jameer are similar in stats averaging around 15 and 5. then murphy and emeka are both ten and ten guys and emeka while is consistent he has no where to go but down in stats really if you look at his career stats.

      There is not a guard out there I would want if we had to take emekas contract. Simply because i think it would just hurt us in the long run. It is simply better to wait since we aren't winning the title anytime soon. The draft has 4 top quality guards and we can always make a trade before the deadline and get a guard without taking on a huge contract. It is just best to wait the season out at this point and see what Lance brings to the table.
      Last edited by Pacers2012; 07-24-2010, 09:47 PM.
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        Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

        [QUOTE=Pacers2012;1042590][QUOTE=pwee31;1042584]Take for example Orlando who's rumored to be atop CP3's wishlist. Would you be willing to take Okafor if you were getting Jameer Nelson? CP3 would likely require Hibbert or Paul George, expiring contracts and picks perhaps. What if we would only have to give up expiring contracts and say.... Rush for Jameer and Okafor, with the Magic giving up the picks and other young talent or pieces?

        The pacers have already made the mistake of taking on contracts the summer before they have cap space. That happend when we took Murphy and Dunleavys contracts on. It didn't turn out very well at all. So even if someone took TJ and Murphy you are pretty much putting the same exact players back on the roster. Jameer makes around 7mil for the next 3yrs. ford makes 8mil next year. murphy makes 11mil next year and emeka has 4yrs and 52mil left. thats more then what murphy would make if we simply resigned him. ford and jameer are similar in stats averaging around 15 and 5. then murphy and emeka are both ten and ten guys and emeka while is consistent he has no where to go but down in stats really if you look at his career stats.

        There is not a guard out there I would want if we had to take emekas contract. Simply because i think it would just hurt us in the long run. It is simply better to wait since we aren't winning the title anytime soon. The draft has 4 top quality guards and we can always make a trade before the deadline and get a guard without taking on a huge contract. It is just best to wait the season out at this point and see what Lance brings to the table.
        Nice argument

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          Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

          If we go after Nelson in a trade then I wouldn't want to be the team that has to take Okafor. Way too steep price for us to get involved, unless we get some draft pics out of it as well. I like Nelson but that is just too much of a high price.

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            Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

            So do you guys think Collison is a better player then Jameer Nelson? I personally don't, I think he played really well in CP3's absence and could be a really good player, but Nelson is tough and takes a backseat at times with all the scoring options the Magic have.

            I think he could be even better on a team that needed more from him. I agree Okafor is a steep price though, just getting a feel for what other fans would be willing to give up or take in order to get a PG.

            It's starting to sound like everyone is comfy going into the season w/ Ford and Stephenson? I personally would still prefer another PG to Ford

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              Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

              I think an expirer could score Okafor and Hinrich...

              I would send Dunleavy for Okafor and Ford for Hinrich...

              a future of:

              Hinrich
              George
              Granger
              Okafor
              Hibbert

              sign me up
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                Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                I think an expirer could score Okafor and Hinrich...

                I would send Dunleavy for Okafor and Ford for Hinrich...

                a future of:

                Hinrich
                George
                Granger
                Okafor
                Hibbert

                sign me up
                Sign me out. That's almost worse than what we have now.
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                  Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                  Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
                  Sign me out. That's almost worse than what we have now.
                  Hinrich alone is a huge upgrade from any PG that we have

                  I would much rather have Okafor over Murphy
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                    Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                    [QUOTE=MillerTime;1042632]Hinrich alone is a huge upgrade from any PG that we have

                    I would much rather have Okafor over Murphy[/QUOTE


                    i don't see why Okafor is better than Murphy. Bobcats were smart to unload his miserable contract and NO didn't take long to come to the same conclusion so why would we not learn that lesson.
                    Okafor is not worth his contract.
                    Last edited by speakout4; 07-24-2010, 11:36 PM.

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                      Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                      Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                      Hinrich alone is a huge upgrade from any PG that we have

                      I would much rather have Okafor over Murphy
                      Wow. We got into this jam by taking on crappy contracts like Dunleavy, Murphy, and Ford .... sooo once we're about out of that hole, lets trade for equally crappy contracts so we continue to suck for a few more years ....

                      worst ... idea ... ever.

                      And as I've discussed, Hinrich isn't available anyway.

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                        Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                        Okafor's value is CP3, nothing more, everything less!!!
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                          Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                          I see no urgency to trying to get any guard anymore. especially if the pg we get has a contract like nelsons, hinrichs or feltons. We got 3 at this pgs as it is and stephenson who will and should get a good amount of minutes since he is truly Born Ready the pacers feel. Bring in any type of starting guard they will want to play 30min a game or more. And for Okafor that would be horrible for us at this point since we have tyler, mcbob, solo, and rolle who will get a few minutes. so does he back up hibbert? waste of money. we need to manage our money wisely like OKC has and get draft picks for our expiring and try to build through the draft. This year was a great start to hopefully a new philosophy.
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                            Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                            I see no urgency to trying to get any guard anymore

                            no urgency? have you seen how many tickets the pacers are selling a year? this team needs to do something really soon
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                              Re: Emeka Okafor's value?

                              Originally posted by PacerGuy View Post
                              Okafor's value is CP3, nothing more, everything less!!!
                              I agree, the only PGs I would take would be CP3, Deron, (maybe) Rose or Wall .
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