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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

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  • #31
    Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

    Originally posted by heywoode View Post
    Not sure if it was posted already, but ESPN headlines their story about Williams by calling him an ex-Pacers F. Now, if the kid played for the Mavericks AFTER he played for the Pacers, and the last team he played for was the Mavericks, why would he be referred to as an ex-Pacer?

    Man, I get tired of that crap.
    Well, he actually did see some playing time with the Pacers. Wasn't most of his time in Dallas spent in "exile"? Anyway, I know what you're saying. There is no need for the headline bringing the team into this.

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    • #32
      Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

      Originally posted by Tom White View Post
      Well, he actually did see some playing time with the Pacers. Wasn't most of his time in Dallas spent in "exile"? Anyway, I know what you're saying. There is no need for the headline bringing the team into this.
      The sports world (or maybe just part of it) and a significant percentage of Indiana residents associate the Pacers with criminals...to this very day.

      It doesn't take long to get a reputation. It is far more difficult to shake one. You see, they don't care about the Pacers the way some of you do.

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      • #33
        Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

        probably a good thing Bird hired a private investigator for this years draft instead of just asking the coach for information...
        Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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        • #34
          Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

          I know alot of people have said this but I just want to say it......FORMER DALLAS MAVERICK SHAWNE WILLIAMS!!!! Some guys don't get it and Shawne is one of those guys that just don't get it. Too bad
          Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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          • #35
            Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

            I'm shocked.
            Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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            • #36
              Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

              Originally posted by BornReady View Post
              probably a good thing Bird hired a private investigator for this years draft instead of just asking the coach for information...
              Maybe so. But it was different with Lance. The only quotes I've read were from a coach ripping on him. What did his coach at Cinci have to say...and are there actual quotes? I know someone claimed his coach at Cinci had his back. Is there proof of that? Is that coach credible? Was it during or after the season this was said?

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              • #37
                Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                Feel bad for this guy and his family. He had a chance at millions per year. He'll likely never have an opportunity to make over $100,000, legitimately, the rest of his life.
                Not true. He is quite likely to pursue a career in pharmacuetical sales in the future.

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                • #38
                  Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  :shakehead


                  Ex-Pacers F Williams arrested, charged

                  http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...e=NBAHeadlines
                  I hate when they put ex-(team name).

                  Especially if the player played on more than one team.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                    Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                    It's always stupid stuff that he gets in trouble for. Dude, if you're going to smoke weed while driving, at least put on your seatbelt.
                    I always say, "Don't break the law while you are breaking the law."

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                    • #40
                      Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                      Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                      It's always stupid stuff that he gets in trouble for. Dude, if you're going to smoke weed while driving, at least put on your seatbelt.
                      You dont need a seatbelt when your flying a mile high i guess.
                      2012: Pacers return to glory

                      Paul George All Day

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                      • #41
                        Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                        Damn, when I just started to disassociate Shawne Williams face with that song Ridin' Dirty.... Thanks man!
                        ...Still "flying casual"
                        @roaminggnome74

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                        • #42
                          Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                          when i saw this on espn i figured he went down for having lean aka purple drank because of the jamarcus russell thing. But no, he got me. touche mr williams
                          2012: Pacers return to glory

                          Paul George All Day

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                          • #43
                            Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                            You can't get any more stupid than Shawne Williams. I did an experiment and it's 100% scientifically impossible.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                              Just to defend the fact that plenty of people didn't want to throw him under the bus at the first signs of problems, plenty of other people do have issues with hangers-on from their prior life, especially within 1-2 years of living it.

                              There was no way to be the kind of 100% sure some of you guys are saying we all should have been when the first issues popped up. I don't think anyone stuck with him after he missed his court date and then kept having issues.

                              This is not to say you didn't end up right on this issue. You were right. But this was not obvious at the time and could have gone the other way, and that's why people were putting out the idea that he wanted to move on but had friends that didn't want him to.

                              In fact I'd say that Williams is a historical failure. Not unprecedented, but clearly one of the worst case scenarios. It's not Len Bias or Tarpley, but even Delonte West is still in the league. Even the Jailblazers stayed in the league. Spreewell stayed in the league.

                              So Williams is far more a failure than just a guy who won't put his criminal life aside. He's been dumb and unmotivated. I mean if you watched him in summer ball you knew that a "Williams starts a school for underprivileged kids" story wasn't going to put him on an NBA roster either.

                              The mentality that perpetuates his criminal situation is the same one that kept him from progressing his game. But make no mistake, had he made a brilliant showing in summer ball he'd be getting a contract from someone. That's why I consider him dumb, he not only had a path to money but a path to his criminal behavior too, all he had to do was work his game like it mattered and everyone would help cover up his problems.




                              I will strongly agree that Bird made a strong recovery with the Shawne trade. But he still reached in the first place and left Rondo on the board when we had need of a PG prospect. Remember that people wanted Marcus Williams but ironically his own criminal past made him an unattractive prospect.

                              Rondo >> Price + Rolle >> Williams

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                              • #45
                                Re: Shawne Williams busted at a traffic stop

                                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                                We've earned the reputation. Dallas has not. They spat him out of there in less than a year. We kept those types of clowns for years allowing them to fill up rap sheets...and even kept acquiring them.

                                While other GM's passed on Lance due to his reputation, the Pacers did not. It will be interesting to see if we are simply a better judge of character now...or just stupid.
                                Our only problem was getting those aforementioned players when they were 'young and dumb and full of XXXX'. But, they were FUN to watch on the court. The white 'main-stream' media (and our local whiners) were all just TOO eager to break-down the Pacer team because they FEARED our raising status in the NBA and the continuing demise of Boston, LA, and the other MAJOR MARKETS. Unfortunately, our own local media and posters on this board jumped on the mainstream MEDIA bandwagon. This ruined our team for the long term because we were STUCK with a boatload of mediocre players with long contracts.

                                While white folks live on their country farms or nice suburbs, most black people are raised on the tough streets of America. We shouldn't attempt to lynch them through and with the the media's help for acting out their lives in the way they were raised. Lance, fortunately, wants to be a great player like LeBron and he wants to leave a LEGACY like other GREAT NBA PLAYERS. Like a young Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson, he'll have his own GROWING PAINS but the HATERS on this board need to be exposed for what they really are.....racists. Let Lance and our other young NBA kids grow up without running them out of town (becuz of your closet racist motives). I'm sure we ALL know relatives who were wild when young and who finally grew up to be good citizens with kids. If not, LB will repeat Donny's mistake of letting the BS media and racists fans under the guise of 'doing the right thing' run these guys outta town by trading for clean white (or uncle Tom) but athletic NBA players with one dimensional games.

                                If the NBA was so concerned with players smoking DOPE, they should included DRUG TESTING in the CBA agreement. This will, at least, cleanup the POT ARRESTS by NBA players like Shawn Williams and many many other NBA Players (\like our own David Harrison) with POT ADDICTION like Michael Beasley. No one said being black and young is easy....especially those kids who's ONLY dream is playing the NBA (and staying in College only one year due the mandated requirements setup by the NCAA with David Stern's approval).
                                Last edited by TooBigNdaPaint; 07-25-2010, 09:09 AM.

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