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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • Brickyard 400

    What has happened to it? Was it the Goodyear tire fiasco? The economy? The change from Sat to Sunday? The date change to July from Aug? Nascar jumped the shark?

    Or is it just me being too busy to notice?... It just seems like the buzz is gone entirely this year. Crowds were obviously down last year. And things aren't looking good for this year from what I'm hearing. There's even speculation in some corners that the BY400's days might be numbered.

    Hard to believe how quickly it's lost its luster without any great fissure to argue as the driving force.

    Also, the BY400 is again the BY400. It no longer has a corporate sponsor (which was Allstate). I think Golden Corral has a TV sponsorship so on TV it will be something like "Golden Corral presents the Brickyard 400" or "The Brickyard 400 brought to you by Golden Corral". But those don't pay IMS anything.

    Of course you'd think in a down economy they'd accept a much lower number for the rights to at least a 1 year sponsorship (so they'd have something for the bank as opposed to nothing (at least as far as naming rights go)... but I guess they consider that ultimately lowering the market value as opposed to holding out for larger dollar and longer term contracts.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    I thought the Allstate sponsorship was pretty ignorant.

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      Being a die-hard NASCAR fan, I've known since I was a little kid in 1994 that the secret to NASCAR race weekend here is the racing at ORP. The Brickyard is overrated.







      ..........With that said, I'll be going to my 2nd Brickyard ever (1st since 1998) on Sunday in the Penthouse Suites. GO KYLE BUSCH! And anybody not named "Earnhardt" or "Keselowski" for that matter

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        I wouldn't worry about the title sponsor, but ticket sales are a significant concern.

        Last year Grace and I went, and we drove down 2 hours early, because of traffic. Well, we drove right in, parked, walked in and sat there marveling at how few people were there. That's one thing we learned seeing it on tape later, TV doesn't begin to show how few people are there. The way people are spread out, on TV it looks like a stand is mostly full, when it could only be 30%.

        Did the tires hurt? Sure, but at worst all that did was bring Indy down to level with all the other races. Attendance is horrible everywhere.

        Lastly, this may seem non-sequitur, but I'm really against this new "hands off" strategy by TPTB. I can tell you I sure don't want to go sit at a race and watch Edwards punt Keslowski's car into my lap.
        Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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          Re: Brickyard 400

          Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
          Lastly, this may seem non-sequitur, but I'm really against this new "hands off" strategy by TPTB. I can tell you I sure don't want to go sit at a race and watch Edwards punt Keslowski's car into my lap.
          The 'Have at it, boys" strategy this year has made the season way more bearable than what it otherwise is. With all due respect, I don't get it when people make the remark of "we don't want a car flying into the stands because of the drivers aggressive driving." I don't like that kind of mentality. Hell, the immortal Mark Martin once said, "When it comes to this sport, if you start to get scared, that's when you know you need to get out." That's the way I've always felt about the crashing. The danger of the sport has always been one of it's selling points. Hell, it was at it's height when Earhardt was intentionally punting guys to win races. The watering down of the cars and driving etiquette has made the sport lose it's luster in the recent years. And besides, these cars are friggin tanks now. When Keselwrecksi got punted and flipped over in Atlanta (which was awesome), he turned back around with most of the car virtually in tact, considering how hard of a wreck that was. In regards to this incident and the one that happened at 'Dega in 2009 between the same 2 drivers, both were due solely to the Wing. That's the main reason they got rid of it. cars can't lift up in the air as easily anymore. The drivers have said that the cars handle mostly the same, but the spoiler if anything adds a little more downforce in terms of keeping the car planted to the pavement.


          I love it. I hate that they put both guys on probations and REALLY hate that they docked Carl 60 points. Brian France and Mike Helton have made some really poor PR decisions in recent years. This return to roots and "Have at it, boys" is a great start to rebuilding what they tore down. I just hope they don't wuss out turn back on this decision.

          All sports are better with rivalries. NASCAR needs it's rivalries.

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            Re: Brickyard 400

            I wasn't talking about the drivers getting hurt. I'm guessing you're not old enough to remember tires going into the stands and killing people.
            Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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              Re: Brickyard 400

              Half the problem with the lack of luster is that ever since NASCAR went to the COT the racing has been crappy. The other half of the problem is the economy. They cut the ticket prices this year, but after last year's snoozefest I don't really think there will be much of an upswing in the attendance.

              Personally, I'd rather go to the Nationwide race at ORP. I was at the first one 20something years ago. We went to a few when my dad would get freebie tickets from work. However, after last week there is no way I'd go to a race with Carl Edwards in it. I don't trust him as far as I can spit.

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                Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                I wasn't talking about the drivers getting hurt. I'm guessing you're not old enough to remember tires going into the stands and killing people.
                I grew up in a family of NASCAR fanatics, I've heard every story and pretty much seen stuff like that.


                My point is that all that dangerous stuff like this;








                ...has been technology-related and not as much driver-related. NASCAR has basically made these cars bricks now. The probability of cars launching into the stands now is VERY slim. And if NASCAR really is that concerned about cars launching into the stands, then they should require tracks to have bigger and stronger catch-fences instead of turning their drivers into emotionless, pensive-driving wussies like they mostly were from 2000-2009.

                Let 'em go get it. (side note: bring back Bob Jenkins to the telecasts.)
                Last edited by Day-V; 07-23-2010, 11:28 PM.

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                  Re: Brickyard 400

                  Kyle Busch is a douchebag. I hope he wrecks out of this year's race.

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                    Re: Brickyard 400

                    Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                    Kyle Busch is a douchebag. I hope he wrecks out of this year's race.
                    How dare you.

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                      Re: Brickyard 400

                      Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                      How dare you.
                      I made this with the Toyota car creator. It got banned from the contest, though...

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                        lol I have a few guys that I raced with on NASCAR 09 that drove a pink #18 Tampax car. I found it rather humerous, especially when they would get their "cage rattled" by your's truly in the last lap.

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                          Re: Brickyard 400

                          I'm just sensitive about the catch fence because seems like every Indy death in my lifetime has involved it. Then when you throw a much heavier car into one, at facilities where they can't even pave the track right, I get very nervous.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Brickyard 400

                            You're talking about 2 completely different situations, man.

                            Those Indy cars are like friggin paperweights. Those things can catch air if they simply take a turn too hard. Not to mention that big huge wing doesn't help at all. The wing is a positive and a negative. It keeps cars in control better than just a regular spoiler. If guys get sideways it acts as a safety net and let's drivers save their car easier. However, once a car does eventually spin out, that wing's cutting the air underneath it and taking off.

                            The Cup cars simply cannot catch air at Indy. For one thing, they go way slower than the Indy cars, going 200 on the straights and about 150-160 in the turns. The Indy cars are 220-230 around the whole track. That's a big difference. Plus, the COT's weigh about 2-3 times as much as those Indy Cars, and have built-in safety measures to keep the car grounded (The Roof Flaps and the pop-up vents on the hood). And finally, and this is the most important, Indy's a flat track. Cup Cars simply cannot flip on flat tracks. As mentioned earlier, the speeds aren't high enough, but there's also no banking for the car to gain momentum, nor is there enough track space for a car to do so.

                            Putting it in lamen's terms, aside from Martinsville, Indy is probably the safest track for the Cup drivers and fans.

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                              Re: Brickyard 400

                              Montoya takes the Indy Pole again. At this point he's almost a specialist as it's obvious that the guy knows Indy like nobody's business. He was fastest in practice yesterday too. At least he was in the early session, I didn't stay for the 3:30 session as it was just too darned hot. In that session Montoya and Jimmie Johnson's cars were in a class by themselves as nobody else was coming within a MPH or two of them and it looks like they went 1-2 here today as well.
                              Last edited by travmil; 07-24-2010, 01:38 PM.

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