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    Would LOVE to have Paul in a Pacers uniform at the start of next season. But it just seems too good to be true. Though we do have the expiring contracts to get in on the action, I just don't see him wanting to come to Indy!
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    Yes, Chris Paul is great, but are you really willing to mortgage the Pacers future for a 1 year rental?

    Some will say but he's got 2 years on his contract. That's right and his last year of the contract is a lockout. After the lockout, he'll be a FA. If Melo doesn't sign an extension, he'll also be a FA after the lockout too. Paul then can get a 3 some of his own with him, Melo, and Amare in NY.

    Now again, why mortgage the Pacers future for a one year rental?? Why take 1 step forward in order to take 5 steps backwards to help another NBA Allstar player form his championship team to play on?

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    Generation X try to beat the odds, be on the underdog side.

    Generation Y stack the odds in your favor and jump ship to a winner.

    I know, it's not all Generation Y ers or X ers. But doesn't mean more if you build it yourself and take the hard road? Maybe if this doesn't work for these guys they can go to the Ymca league and just dominate, win by 100, that s/b satisfying.

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    I think we would start the trade off with Lance Stephenson, Paul George, and Tyler Hansborough with two expirings. They would probably be Ford and Murphy. We would also probably have to include two future first rounders as well. Thats like five first rounders and expiring contracts for Paul and Okafor.

    All that for a 1 year rental of Paul and Okar's albatross contract! After Paul leaves, the Pacers are left with Okafor's albatross contract, no youth, no way to rebuild with picks having been traded, no PG again, NO future for the Pacers.

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    Maybe if this doesn't work for these guys they can go to the Ymca league and just dominate, win by 100, that s/b satisfying.

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    I think this is just posturing by Paul and his agent, although the ownership of the Hornets is abysmal.

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    If it's Orlando then I'm expecting Jameer Nelson heading to New Orleans which means we can still try and go after Darren Collison.

    That is if Bird isn't done with offseason moves.
    was waiting for on someone to put this out there. nelson would be available if paul goes to orlando. would be great to see us get paul but the cost would be more than the pacers want to relinquish. maybe we somehow get into the mix and bring jameer nelson to indiana. i think he would be a great pg for the pacers to acquire.

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    Here's Berger's complete article on Paul's trade demand. For those who want to pursue him, I'd highly recommend reading it. It's safe to say it's extremely unlikely he'd be happy here.

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    New Hornets brass already facing crisis with Paul

    July 21, 2010
    By Ken Berger
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    Welcome to the hottest seat in the NBA, Dell Demps. All you have to do is persuade Chris Paul to stay in New Orleans -- an uphill battle that begins now.

    Then Paul was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he'd be open to a trade if the Hornets aren't committed to building a championship team, it was only a small hint as to the size of the chasm that exists between the franchise and its cornerstone player. Paul, in fact, has put into motion an aggressive exit strategy that will accelerate in the coming weeks, and his clear intention is to be traded before the start of the 2010-11 season, a person with direct knowledge of his plans told CBSSports.com Wednesday.


    "He wants out," said the person, who has been briefed on Paul's strategy but spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss it publicly. "He wants to play with another superstar. He wants to follow LeBron's model of teaming up with other great players."

    Paul's list of preferred destinations consists of the Knicks, Magic and Lakers, and members of his inner circle already have sent word to the Hornets of his desire to be traded to one of those teams, sources say. If Paul has his way, he's played his last game in a Hornets jersey.

    "He feels like they haven't put the right pieces together," said the person familiar with the star point guard's plans.

    Paul, a three-time All-Star, still has two years before he can become a free agent. But his dissatisfaction with the Hornets' downward spiral, coupled with the coup pulled off by James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami has only accelerated his desire to seek a trade. Sources within the NBA say members of Paul's camp have told them recently, "He's not going to start the season in New Orleans."

    In the past year, Paul has publicly expressed mild and measured frustration with the direction of the Hornets, who have spiraled out of contention since they capped a 56-win season in 2007-08 with a loss to the Spurs in the Western Conference semifinals. That was followed by a 49-win season that ended with an embarrassing first-round loss to the Nuggets, including a disgraceful 58-point home loss in Game 4. Bryon Scott was fired nine games into the 2009-10 season, and that only seemed to exacerbate Paul's concerns about his future in New Orleans.

    Early last season, days before Scott was fired, Paul admitted he was "envious, very envious" of his friends and peers -- James, Wade and Carmelo Anthony -- who had enjoyed far more team success in the early stages of their careers.

    "Those guys have been where I want to get to," Paul said. "This is my fifth year in the league and I'm not trying to wait until I'm an old veteran in this league trying to win a championship. We're trying to win now. Whatever we have to do to win, we've got to do now."

    The Hornets missed the playoffs for the first time in three years under interim coach Jeff Bower, who was reinstated to his GM post with the hiring of coach Monty Williams and then fired last week. Enter Demps, a respected personnel man who played an important support role in the Spurs' decade of success. Will the duo of Williams and Demps, both having ascended to top NBA jobs for the first time, be enough to get Paul to backtrack from his desire to be traded?

    Williams and Hornets president Hugh Weber both told CBSSports.com in the past week that they plan to sit down face-to-face with Paul to sell him on the team's new direction. Paul won't go public with his trade request -- if he did, he'd be subject to a fine under NBA rules -- but those with knowledge of his plans believe his desire to pair up with another superstar (or two) has gained too much momentum to stop.

    In late June, Paul, 25, spent several days in Akron, Ohio, with James, who was busy orchestrating his own exit strategy from Cleveland. The two friends and superstars picked each other's brains, with each persuading the other to make significant changes in their branding strategies. For Paul, it was a big step to persuade James to join the social networking phenomenon that is Twitter. For James' part, he finally persuaded Paul to join his Cleveland-based marketing company, LRMR.

    Paul's decision to sign with LRMR, headed by James' close friend and advisor, Maverick Carter, was only the first step in his exit plan from New Orleans. Paul officially severed his representation agreement with Octagon earlier this month and will soon officially join the influential stable of clients represented by Creative Artists Agency.

    With a stranglehold on the top free-agent talent, CAA dictated the terms, pace and outcome of the monumental free-agent class of 2010. CAA clients James and Bosh agreed to join forces with fellow CAA client Wade in Miami, forming a rare triumvirate through the leverage and friendship of players as opposed to the whim of management.

    Paul will be represented by CAA agent Leon Rose, who also represents James and potential 2011 free agents Anthony and Tony Parker. Miami's Big Three haven't even run a layup drill, and yet CAA already has the foundation in place to run the table in the free-agent summer of 2011, as well. But with a lockout looming and superstars Paul, Anthony, and to a lesser degree Parker uneasy about their current situations, those plans already are in motion.

    Paul's former representatives at Octagon, Jeff Austin and Lance Young, did not respond to phone calls seeking comment, nor did Rose. William Wesley, CAA's behind-the-scenes operative known as "World Wide Wes," who is now a coaching agent with CAA, declined to comment. Paul's strategy has yet to reach the team level in terms of proposals exchanged, sources say. For one thing, Paul has been mired in the 15-day waiting period to officially hire a new agent after severing ties with Octagon. Also, it has been his desire to be forthright with ownership and management in discussing the matter. Williams, a first-year head coach, was hired last month and plans to meet with Paul extensively in the coming weeks to explain his vision. Demps hasn't even completed his first day on the job yet.

    Paul's inclusion of the Magic on his list dovetails with CBSSports.com's report June 30 that star center Dwight Howard has asked Orlando management to pursue a trade for Paul -- although Magic GM Otis Smith said by phone Wednesday that he is unaware of such a plan. The team that has most aggressively positioned itself to reap the benefits of CAA's latest power nexus is the Knicks, who struck out in their pursuit of this summer's Big Three but perhaps didn't whiff permanently.

    Team president Donnie Walsh's first step was signing power forward Amar'e Stoudemire to a five-year, $99.9 million deal. The move wasn't successful in swaying James or Wade, but it represents the first piece of a strategy designed to land Paul, Parker or Anthony -- or perhaps, even two of them. According to sources familiar with the Knicks' strategy, part of the reason for orchestrating the sign-and-trade for David Lee -- which yielded young talents Anthony Randolph and Kelenna Azubuike from Golden State -- was to stock the roster with attractive assets that could be used to acquire such marquee players if the opportunities presented themselves.

    Since they are not free agents at the same time, sources say Paul, Anthony and Parker won't have the same power that Miami's Big Three wielded this summer. Given that he has two years left on his contract before he can exercise a player option, Paul's desire for a trade will be a test of his leverage. It will also be a test of the Hornets' new duo of decision-makers, Williams and Demps, who will have to determine when Paul's value will be maximized -- if they agree to trade him at all.

    Parker already has publicly stated his intention to pass on an extension and become a free agent next summer, while Anthony thus far balked at signing the Nuggets' three-year, $65 million extension offer. With a lockout looming after the season, friends of Anthony believe he is seriously torn between cashing in on what's left of max money as we know it and following his buddy, James, in trying to orchestrate a surefire championship celebration. Earlier this month, empowered by his time spent in Ohio with James, Paul was reported to have toasted the idea of forming "our own Big Three" with Stoudemire and Anthony during Anthony's wedding in New York. That comment, never publicly corroborated by Paul, is directly in line with what sources say has become his overriding strategy for the next step in his career. Call it the Miami Model, the South Beach Effect, or whatever you want. It's the new normal for young NBA superstars looking for a new home and a better chance to win.

    "Players want to follow in those footsteps," an NBA front office source said. "They all want to do that. Everyone got excited about it, and it opened up the players' imaginations as to what they could do."

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    Pass I wouldn't want him here anyways yes he's more talented than probably most of our roster but I don't see him ever winning a ring

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    Agree completely. If something is not changed the NBA will go the way of baseball which is a non competitive league. Loss of a teams star player(s) is one of the biggest threats to the overall health ot the league. That and the current business model.
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    Here's my take on this....

    Paul and Granger do likely know each other pretty well. Remember, Danny is from New Orleans, and I'm sure he still spends time there. It would make sense these two guys have had their paths cross at least a few times before.

    They do have games that compliment each other.

    My gut tells me he ends up in New York.

    Also, I think the Hawks could also be a sleeper in all of this. They could probably put together a decent package for CP3.

    I highly doubt we get Paul, but it's also not an impossibility from where I'm seeing it, but I'd say we have <20% chance.

    Biggest question mark is this, if we have a package the Hornets decided they like (say what you want about us not having the horses, but if they're looking to save salary we can put together a decent package), does Paul see Granger as a decent enough 2 or 3, to bring a third player here next to them within the next year? If the answer is yes our chances greatly improve IMO, if the answer is no, then our chances go to basically 0.
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    Agree completely. If something is not changed the NBA will go the way of baseball which is a non competitive league. Loss of a teams star player(s) is one of the biggest threats to the overall health ot the league. That and the current business model.
    Yep. This could be getting too far out of hand if any of what's in this article is true. Star players in a sense are now influencing strategy and decision making of front office personnel moves. Hence becoming quasi-GMs.

    It's true there have always been avenues for players to exert their will (trade demand, holding out, for example) on the actions of the front office. However, this level of masterminding player groupings and destinations can't be good for the league from the perspective of all franchises and markets.

    Building a contending team primarily through the draft - traditional, but perhaps now obsolete - remains the best viable way for typical small-market teams. When top-flight players can freely manipulate multiple acquisitions of top talent under the system, and forcibly hold a team hostage for only certain trade destinations while under contract, something has to give, IMO.
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    So if we did trade for CP3 and he decided not to report. Do we still have to pay him? Wouldn't that be a breach of contract on his part?

    If I were Bird, I'd make the trade for him and then send his butt out to Minny for the rights to Rubio.

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    If you're the Pacers you have to basically throw everything but the kitchen sink at N.O. to get Chris Paul. If they're looking for financial relief, throw any and all of the expirings in to make it happen.

    If Bird plays his cards right, Indiana could be sold to a competitive player like Paul. He would get to play with a bona-fide All-Star wingman in Granger and a talented yound center in Hibbert. The cap space is available next summer to then go out and get a third All-Star to effectively complete a triumvirate that competes with Wade/Bosh/James. We've all joked about the pipe dream of Carmelo Anthony signing here, but with a nucleus of Paul and Granger we become a much more attractive free agent destination. Add in the likely addition of Okafor with Paul, and that rivals Miami: Paul, Anthony, Granger, Okafor, Hibbert.

    I realize that I'm just dreaming . . . if I were N.O. there is no way I'd part with Paul for simply expirings, young talent, and draft picks - I'd insist on Granger or Hibbert in any deal with the Pacers. But it is fun to stick your head in the clouds occasionally.

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    Now everybody wanna play for the Knicks, Lakers and Magic? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!
    Why do players want to play for some small market teams, but not others. Why did some players want to play for the pacers back in the 90's, but not now.

    This is my main argument against those who want to tank seasons, for those who want to get bad to get good, for those who want to completely re-build. No free agent (for the most part) wants to come to a bad team. So that is why it is better to be a 42 win team than a 15 win team

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    Well, I would offer Dahntay and Murph or Dun, or maybe McBob, but he had a pretty good summer shooting the ball.

    Everyone else is untouchable.
    I would offer Roy and Danny and throw in an expiring to get the Hornets attention.

    I mean are we serious about getting Paul or not.

    so you are hesitant about trading MBob because he shot pretty well in the summer league?

    My comments are assuming he'll be here more than 1 year
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    I would offer Roy and Danny and throw in an expiring to get the Hornets attention.

    I mean are we serious about getting Paul or not.

    so you are hesitant about trading MBob because he shot pretty well in the summer league?

    My comments are assuming he'll be here more than 1 year
    I think Mckey was being sarcastic. However what you are proposing is not a good idea in
    my book. Why would Paul sign off on that deal? A gutted Pacer team?
    Are you being sarcastic?

    Send them expiring's and first rounders and we take Paul and Okafor. Then he might stay
    as that would be a team that could mature into a real contender.
    May still have to throw in a second tier player to get it done.
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    I think Mckey was being sarcastic. However what you are proposing is not a good idea in
    my book. Why would Paul sign off on that deal? A gutted Pacer team?
    Are you being sarcastic?

    Send them expiring's and first rounders and we take Paul and Okafor. Then he might stay
    as that would be a team that could mature into a real contender.
    May still have to throw in a second tier player to get it done.
    No not sarcastic. My point is I would be willing to give up Danny and Roy to get Paul. certainly if we can get him by giving up less, then I'm all for that.

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    No not sarcastic. My point is I would be willing to give up Danny and Roy to get Paul. certainly if we can get him by giving up less, then I'm all for that.
    I would too.

    I've been on record for a while that I would trade in all seven Scrabble letters for Chris Paul.

    Wouldn't want to. And would rather trade Danny than Roy. But I would do just about anything possible to bring a proven franchise player here.
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    Agree completely. If something is not changed the NBA will go the way of baseball which is a non competitive league. Loss of a teams star player(s) is one of the biggest threats to the overall health ot the league. That and the current business model.
    Looking at it from the perspective of the suits working in the NBA's ivory tower, it's not a bad thing to have all the good teams be in the 8 largest markets, while the rest of the league serves as fodder for their highlight reels.
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    Yep. This could be getting too far out of hand if any of what's in this article is true. Star players in a sense are now influencing strategy and decision making of front office personnel moves. Hence becoming quasi-GMs.

    It's true there have always been avenues for players to exert their will (trade demand, holding out, for example) on the actions of the front office. However, this level of masterminding player groupings and destinations can't be good for the league from the perspective of all franchises and markets.

    Building a contending team primarily through the draft - traditional, but perhaps now obsolete - remains the best viable way for typical small-market teams. When top-flight players can freely manipulate multiple acquisitions of top talent under the system, and forcibly hold a team hostage for only certain trade destinations while under contract, something has to give, IMO.
    A couple of things:

    1.This touches on my biggest gripe about the NBA model. In the search for more revenue, the league kept expanding WAY beyond the talent base, to the point the league is pretty diluted of star players on the same team.

    Then the NBA started marketing the player over the team. We started coming up with this "face of the franchise" bullcrap. Pundits would start acting as if a team can't win without having one star the rest of the team defers to. Sportscenter fell into lockstep and started showing highlights of a single player, rather than team coverage.

    Now that the league has put the power into the team superstar's hands, they want to, and we want to, act outraged that a player can leverage being moved?

    I have ALWAYS hated that the league has expanded so much. Far as I'm concerned, the Bobcats, Wolves, Magic, Grizzlies, etc, should have never happened.

    If we had a strong pool of players across the board, it makes the league more competitive and weakens a player "holding a team hostage."

    2.When I made my original post, it wasn't for a bunch of let's see who we could offer for CP responses. Ridiculous waste of time, imho. We weren't mentioned as a destination and quite frankly, if I were CP, I wouldn't want to come here, either. Matter of fact the ONLY big time player I ever remember saying that he wanted to come here was Barkley before he went to Houston.

    If I'm a young man, I'm looking not only at the makeup of the team I'd like to go to, but the city. From living here and traveling, Indiana doesn't have a whole lot of appeal as a fun place to live, compared to a LOT of other cities. New Orleans...NY...LA..Orlando, those are fun cities to live. Indianapolis? Uh...

    3.Let's get something straight; Chris Paul never said he wanted to join a super team like Lebron, as many are saying or intimating. (The rumored "toast" aside, which has had no validation) He wants to get out of a loser situation, and although I am loathe to support players who jump ship, in this case, I think his feeling are understandable. NO has shown themselves time and again to put more importance on the salary cap and saving money than acquiring good players. For me, they have cultivated a culture of mediocrity and I can sympathize with him finally saying enough is enough, especially in light of how the team backed out of the deal with Luther Head by smearing his reputation. That may have been the last straw.

    It's not like CP is dissing the team in the media, pouting on the bench, etc. It seems the guy has said enough is enough and contract issues aside, I gotta say, I don't blame him.

    4. Don't just read the rotoworld article. Read the CBS Sportline story link I put at the bottom of my original post. Here it is again, if you didn't read it.
    I think it gives you much more background.
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    I would too.

    I've been on record for a while that I would trade in all seven Scrabble letters for Chris Paul.

    Wouldn't want to. And would rather trade Danny than Roy. But I would do just about anything possible to bring a proven franchise player here.
    My first reaction is that you guys have got to be kidding.

    But on second thought, I probably would go after Paul if all we had to give up were expiring contracts and maybe a first and second round draft choice. That way, at least there is a degree of sanity in the risk we would be taking. At worst, he would be a 2-year rental, we get our cap space back at that time, but we have lost a couple of draft choices.

    If the Pacers were to offer any more than that, then I go back to my original thought... you have got to be kidding me.

    1070 is saying pretty much what many have said here. Paul is simply trying to use the system and his leverage to eventually create his own trio of players in one of his three chosen cities. With that in mind, if the Pacers gut the team to get him, then either Paul comes here, *itches and moans and gets traded within a year, or he *itches and moans for the entire 2 years and leaves once he plays out his contract.

    The only way that I would even consider a 2-year rental, even if it is for an elite player, would be if it delivered a title within those 2 years. And, even if you could insert Paul into our present roster without losing anybody, that isn't going to happen.

    From any perspective you can consider, particularly from a business perspective, bringing Paul to Indy would be a very poor decision. Way, way, way too risky.

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    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._magic_lakers/

    It's a legitimate news story so there's no reason not to ponder a trade for Paul. I think it's sick that a player can not only demand a trade but demand what team he goes to while under contract. Outside of the trade request he's been a solid citizen and great player so I'd love to see him in a Pacers uniform. There are about 25 teams who would also love to have him though, so if you consider teams beyond the Knicks, Magic, and Lakers you have lot of teams with more to offer then we have. Still to step up with giving the Hornets a choice of an expiring along with their choice combination of future first round picks, Roy, Rush, and George, and our willingness to take on Okar would be a nice attempt. I'd hope the only way Larry would do this would be if CP agreed to an extension. Is that even possible before CAB expires?

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    I won't criticize Chris Paul much for demanding a trade. The situation in that organization is pretty extreme. The owner is horrible, they have been trying to get rid of contracts for two seasons, they fired Paul's coach is Byron Scott. I think Chris paul has been very loyal and wanted to stay with the Hornets, but things have only gotten worse for that franchise.

    He needs to be able to go to more than just 3 teams though

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