2012: Pacers return to glory
Paul George All Day
Paul and Okafor to the KNicks make a ton of sense for all involved. Ive said before that the Pacers could actually put together a better package to New Orleans (which is true) than New York........but if Paul doesnt want to play in Indy it wouldnt do any good to acquire him.
A Curry, Randolph, Ezubekie, Chandler and 2 #1's should put Oak and CP3 in NYC.
Paul, Okafor and Amare would give the Knicks a nice set of stars to build around and potentially save enough room for Melo next season.
If Paul can pull that crap on his present team, then there is always the risk that he could/would pull the same thing on a new team. And, since the Pacers are not on his short list, it seems more than likely he would pull the same crap once he got here.... since we aren't exactly one of his ideal 3 destinations. And, if he didn't ask for a trade right away, we would probably lose him once his last 2 years are up on his contract.
Don't want him, wouldn't go after him. Way to risky considering we would probably have to give up some decent players and good prospects to get him. We would probably find ourselves much worse off in 2 years than we are now. And, we would be starting our 3-year plan on having a competitive team all over again.
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If Paul goes to the Lakers or Magic I'm going to have a really hard time being an NBA fan. It's a huge problem when only 10% of the league has a chance to win. If you don't think that's true, I'll gladly take any bets where I get the Lakers, Heat, and Magic and you get the field.
As for the Pacers getting CP3, I'd offer Granger, Murphy, Ford, and Solo for Paul, Okafor, and Posey.
"A man with no belly has no appetite for life."
- Salman Rushdie
I suppose it might be prudent to determine the causes of not loving/having faith in the team from day-to-day, every day.
Since I took about a 16-month hiatus myself, may I suggest we start with the coach?
I hope we take a stab at this by offering Danny, Troy, and Ford (the latter two are expiring contracts) for Paul and to take Okafor (4 year) and Posey's (2 year) deals off their hands.
2012: Pacers return to glory
Paul George All Day
We should absolutely go for it. Although the Pacers aren't on his short list, we'd be a better team with him than the Knicks would be with him.
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"Hey, they got their way! I want mine! MINE MINE MINE! /*****" - Chris Paul
Oh, I understand why he wants out of New Orleans. It takes an interesting set of factors for an Owner to butcher a team with a PG this good. Paul and West are the only players on that TEAM that are starting quality on a contender at this point in their careers. They do have some solid talent in Thornton, Brackins, Pondexter and Collison. Unfortunately, balancing their intent to "improve" and their need to cut cost, they've become strangled by the contracts of Posey, Okafer, and Peja. To expect any star player to want to stick around in this mess, especially after hearing about the low tactics this organization has used since Bower was fired, is just laughable.
With that said, I hated what James did. But he did it in FREE AGENCY! Chris Paul GIVING UP on his team and issuing such a demand is pathetic. He wants to play with another star? Lakers, Orlando, New York? Grow some balls, kid.
The only way he salvages this in my eyes is if a trade is worked out with New York. It's hard to admit, but at least New York wouldn't be the "easy button" as obvious as LA or Orlando.
As far as entertaining the idea of bringing Paul to the Pacers? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trade Granger for him at this point. A.) He wants to play with "another" Super Star. B.) Add him to this roster, give up Granger and young talent, and we are NOT a better team. We do NOT have the ammo to resign him and his presence wouldn't suddenly make Indiana a prime FA destination.
Chris Paul would be an excellent fit here IMO. If he wants to stroke his ego, then we probably aren't the place. If he wants to have a chance to grow with a team, we would be a great place. His skill set is conducive to a lot of ball pressure defensively. He has active hands and gets a ton of steals. IMO, Brandon Rush and Danny Granger are great players to have next to him both offensively and defensively. Both are long and defend well individually, where Paul can take a few more risks. Offensively, he has his shooters who are both lethal from the outside. Granger can be a go to scorer as can Paul. We have a lot of PF's none of which fit Paul great, but Hansborough is the closest and I think the two could form a nice duo in pick and roll sets. Hibbert the low post offensive threat that can be the focus of the inside out game. I think we would be a very well rounded team. A good PF would definitely be enticed to come play for us at that point. This is not assuming who would be here after the trade though.
I think we would start the trade off with Lance Stephenson, Paul George, and Tyler Hansborough with two expirings. They would probably be Ford and Murphy. We would also probably have to include two future first rounders as well. Thats like five first rounders and expiring contracts for Paul and Okafor. I would tempt Carmelo Anthony to come play the PF position for us.
I am dreaming of Paul, Rush, Granger, Anthony, and Hibbert.
I would hate to know what Jim O'Brien would try to do to the team at that point. I wonder if he would get it right with that talent.
I will pray for his arrival every night until he gets traded to the Magic.
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According to this board this summer, a combination of George and Lance ought to be enough for New Orleans to think that its a no-brainer to trade him to the Pacers. Yeah, we've got to throw in one of our expirings to make it match. Hopefully George + Lance + Murphy doesn't kill the deal.
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Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
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If it's Orlando then I'm expecting Jameer Nelson heading to New Orleans which means we can still try and go after Darren Collison.
That is if Bird isn't done with offseason moves.
-Not on his short list, but maybe we should be. With the good young core, inpending cap space, & w/ 1 "star" already in place w/ Danny, adding #3 (Mello, ?) would be just as easy & would be a better all-around team then the others on his list. If not that route, then a S&T for one would be appealing to someone looking at a IN team w/ Danny, CP3 & our core.
-No sense to offer Danny in a deal for Paul (sorry Hicks, others). While agreed that IF P.George could be Danny2 we would be in awsome shape, I don't think we keep CP3 w/o a strong #2. The pending lockout steals a yr. away from us, & not sure 1 yr+ is enough to start winning enough to keep him. I would offer expirings, 2 #1's, & 1 young player (Rush, George, Hansbrough). Who else can offer that that is on his list? LA w/ Bynum maybe, but they have little else nor would they offer too much IMO. The Magic could make a deal w/ talent, but if NOH want cap relief as much or more then talent, they don't have it (unlss NOH too count on the lockout, then maybe Carter makes sense).
-Before the "Super-Team" idea crept into every star players head, I really (quietly) thought CP3 would be in play for us at some point, but not so much now. Now that he & others have seen LeBron/D-Wade/Bosh play the rest of the league for fools, they now want/think they can do the same. Ego's are now even more in play, & that leaves teams like IN in the back of the bus, despite what we can offer.
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Very true. We could also be the third team in an Orlando deal where Nelson comes here for one of our expirings to NO instead of Collison. There is really no prayer that we get CP3. But it was a nice daydream for about 10 minutes.
can somebody look it up and see how Chris Paul did in summer league years back? We don't want to impede Lance's development.
These players wanting to play together will destroy most of the small market teams financially.
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Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)
Oh, and if the impossible happens, then I'd like to rescind my previous post.
Lets just hope if he gets traded that we can nudge our way in and make it a 3 team deal with the team getting paul already having a pretty good pgs already. like portland or houston, aaron brooks cant be too happy that lowry makes more then him as a back up now. Looking at Houstons roster they could lose brooks cuz ur replacing him with an all star and you can give up other good players like ariza n jordan hill and still have a team that can make a deep run in the playoffs. If Yao doesn't get hurt before the playoffs.
2012: Pacers return to glory
Paul George All Day
Felton must love that CP3 mentioned the Knicks. I can see DW selling Felton down the road to the Hornets while taking on Okafor.
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This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.