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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

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  • #16
    Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

    Another, I got my money, I want to play for a winner!

    For a lot of people today their loyalty only goes as far as the outside edge of their skin.

    The owners are going to have to start franchising players in the new CBA.

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    • #17
      Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      good luck with that
      If you dont have faith in your team on any given day then you aint a true fan. thats the thing about being a fan. even if we are playing the lakers you got to believe they can win or what is the point of even cheering for them. or being a fan if you think they will lose against any team ranked higher then them in the playoffs.
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      • #18
        Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

        Magic might have the best package to offer if Jameer Nelson is involved, b/c they get another PG that can start right away. Can even throw in Vince Carter for "star power"

        The Lakers I don't think would offer much. Bynum is probably the biggest piece, and he's had injury problems. Probably Odom too, but they'll keep Kobe and Gasol which are the most attractive pieces

        The Knicks don't have anything to offer do they?

        There's been plenty of rumors that the Bobcats will get Chris Paul w/ a package around Gerald Wallace.

        I do think the Pacers could have a shot if the Hornets simply want young talent and cap space next year. Unfortunately Paul probably doesn't want to come here.

        Though we'd likely be a playoff team if we're able to keep Granger

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        • #19
          Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

          First of all, do we know anything about this Ken Berger guy? Any track record to speak of? This is all attributed to " a person with direct knowledge of his plans," which is pretty weak. Just one anonymous source. I'm sure he'd love to get out of that situation, but I just don't see how he can force the Hornet's hands on this one.

          Do any of those teams have anything of value they'd be willing to send back?

          Could you could see the Lakers parting with Odom or Bynum potentially? Not sure they would want to do that, it's certainly an upgrade in that Paul is a better all-around player than either of those guys, but they'd lose a bit of their identity as a big, long interior oriented team. Might be worth it, but its a big risk for a defending champion.

          The Knicks could offer a Gallinari and Gallinari's expiring. What else do they have of value?

          Orlando? Jameer Nelson, maybe Marcin Gortat, maybe JJ Reddick (although his contract is now BYC). Coupled with picks that's not a terrible package if you have no other choice. But very little cap relief to offer.

          Edit: Pewee basically wrote the same post I did a few minutes before. Crap. I agree with Jalen Rose, you suck.
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          • #20
            Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

            We have a chance, and I've been certain this would happen for about a year.

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            • #21
              Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

              Hopeful thinking here, but two things that might pique CP's interest with Indy:

              - Larry Legend at the helm. At least TPTB have some kind of connection to multiple rings.

              - Reggie Miller's legacy. Indy has already had a great star, he was able to pull it off in this marketplace, and he was/is loved and respected.

              New Orleans doesn't have anything like that, although you could argue Byron Scott brought a little of that while he was there.
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              • #22
                Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                A trade to the Lakers would be disastrous for Paul's fantasy value, while a move to the Magic is probably not ideal, either. But if Paul could land in New York this fall, he could have one of the biggest fantasy seasons we've ever seen from a point guard.
                The absurdity of this article... focused on his fantasy basketball value!?!? Good greif.
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                • #23
                  Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                  Originally posted by Pacers2012 View Post
                  If you dont have faith in your team on any given day then you aint a true fan. thats the thing about being a fan. even if we are playing the lakers you got to believe they can win or what is the point of even cheering for them. or being a fan if you think they will lose against any team ranked higher then them in the playoffs.
                  If the Knicks have Paul and Amare there is not a combination of Pacers players that could beat that team.

                  One thing is to be a fan another one is to be realistic and please stop talking about the true fan crap.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                    Originally posted by Pacers2012 View Post
                    If you dont have faith in your team on any given day then you aint a true fan. thats the thing about being a fan. even if we are playing the lakers you got to believe they can win or what is the point of even cheering for them. or being a fan if you think they will lose against any team ranked higher then them in the playoffs.
                    There's a difference between being a fan and being down-right delusional.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      Hopeful thinking here, but two things that might pique CP's interest with Indy:

                      - Larry Legend at the helm. At least TPTB have some kind of connection to multiple rings.

                      - Reggie Miller's legacy. Indy has already had a great star, he was able to pull it off in this marketplace, and he was/is loved and respected.

                      New Orleans doesn't have anything like that, although you could argue Byron Scott brought a little of that while he was there.
                      Also, I could be off base here, but aren't CP and Granger pretty good friends? Vaguely remember reading an article about this a couple of years ago...

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                      • #26
                        Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        If the Knicks have Paul and Amare there is not a combination of Pacers players that could beat that team.

                        One thing is to be a fan another one is to be realistic and please stop talking about the true fan crap.
                        I said nothing about the team we have now against paul and amare. i said plain as day in 2012 or any year after. meaning our pg will be in place, and we will have added other solid FAs. I would take indy over amare n paul. amare already had his paul in phoenix and from what i remember they didn't live up to expectations.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                          Originally posted by Pacers2012 View Post
                          I said nothing about the team we have now against paul and amare. i said plain as day in 2012 or any year after. meaning our pg will be in place, and we will have added other solid FAs. I would take indy over amare n paul. amare already had his paul in phoenix and from what i remember they didn't live up to expectations.
                          Yet they were an extremely competitive team year in and year out. The Pacers are a far way from that. Plus Chris Paul is better than Steve Nash and I love Steve Nash as a PG.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                            Paul and Okafor to the KNicks make a ton of sense for all involved. Ive said before that the Pacers could actually put together a better package to New Orleans (which is true) than New York........but if Paul doesnt want to play in Indy it wouldnt do any good to acquire him.

                            A Curry, Randolph, Ezubekie, Chandler and 2 #1's should put Oak and CP3 in NYC.

                            Paul, Okafor and Amare would give the Knicks a nice set of stars to build around and potentially save enough room for Melo next season.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                              If Paul can pull that crap on his present team, then there is always the risk that he could/would pull the same thing on a new team. And, since the Pacers are not on his short list, it seems more than likely he would pull the same crap once he got here.... since we aren't exactly one of his ideal 3 destinations. And, if he didn't ask for a trade right away, we would probably lose him once his last 2 years are up on his contract.

                              Don't want him, wouldn't go after him. Way to risky considering we would probably have to give up some decent players and good prospects to get him. We would probably find ourselves much worse off in 2 years than we are now. And, we would be starting our 3-year plan on having a competitive team all over again.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Not to beat out the RSS feed, but some news on Chris Paul

                                Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                                The absurdity of this article... focused on his fantasy basketball value!?!? Good greif.
                                it is rotoworld, which focuses upon the fantasy impact of any deal
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