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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

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  • NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

    BothTeamsPlayed

    Tax. RT @LakersReporter: NBA news release: salary cap set at $58.044 million for 2010-11, with the tax level set at $70.307.

    This is of significant help to the Pacers. They are now projected under the tax by about $1.8mm - assuming they sign the three rookies.

    However, if they sign a FA at $3.5, then they'll potentially be back over the tax.

    On the whole, it gives them some much needed breathing room.

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    Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

    wow, that's actually an increase from last year. so much for the doom and gloom.

    free agent at $3.5m shouldn't be a deal breaker. it won't be too hard to get under the tax from there - heck, buying out tj might do the trick.

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    • #3
      Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

      from nba.com

      http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/07/s...cap/index.html


      NBA salary cap for 2010-11 season set at $58.044 million

      By Official Release
      Posted Jul 7 2010 7:41PM

      NEW YORK, July 7, 2010 -- The National Basketball Association today announced that the Salary Cap for the 2010-11 season will be $58.044 million. The tax level for the 2010-11 season has been set at $70.307 million. Any team whose team salary exceeds that figure will pay a $1 tax for each $1 by which it exceeds $70.307 million.

      The 2009-10 Salary Cap was $57.70 million and the tax level was $69.92 million.

      The new Salary Cap and tax level go into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET on Thursday, July 8, when the league's "moratorium period" ends and teams can begin signing free agents and making trades.

      The mid-level exception is $5.765 million for the 2010-11 season and the minimum team salary, which is set at 75% of the Salary Cap, is $43.533 million.

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      • #4
        Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

        Larry said in his interview during the game he wants 30 mil in cap space next summer... along with he wants to build the team around a young core of 10-11 players.

        -I'd also like to point out 30 mil under new CBA (well what Stern and the Owners want) should go much farther than this summer...
        "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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          Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

          Originally posted by tadscout View Post
          -I'd also like to point out 30 mil under new CBA (well what Stern and the Owners want) should go much farther than this summer...
          I kinda thought there would be some radical changes of the salary cap along with the new CBA. It would be kind of pointless to decrease size of contract but keep the cap the same. Owners are looking to decrease the player revenue, so they can get a bigger piece of teh pie. 30 Mil won't be 30 mil if they have their way.
          "man, PG has been really good."

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            Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

            Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
            I kinda thought there would be some radical changes of the salary cap along with the new CBA. It would be kind of pointless to decrease size of contract but keep the cap the same. Owners are looking to decrease the player revenue, so they can get a bigger piece of teh pie. 30 Mil won't be 30 mil if they have their way.
            True I guess it could scale... who knows where the negotiations will end up...

            It will just be nice that we should be one of the most financially flexible teams contract/cap wise under new CBA... b/c all of our bad deals will be gone and the new long term ones will be under the new rules.
            "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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              Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

              Originally posted by tadscout View Post
              It will just be nice that we should be one of the most financially flexible teams contract/cap wise under new CBA... b/c all of our bad deals will be gone and the new long term ones will be under the new rules.
              And that is what I'm hoping for.
              "man, PG has been really good."

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              • #8
                Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                I think it's nice we can sign our 2nd round picks if needed w/o going over the luxury tax.

                That being said if the Pacers are offering $3-$3.5mil on a one year deal. What do they have in mind that will get us under the luxury cap?

                Wonder if there are some team with cap room interested in a couple of our expiring contracts if they don't land Lebron or something?

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                • #9
                  Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                  This league is going under. How do you have a cap increase when most of the teams are losing money.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • #10
                    Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                    Most teams always lose money. Pacers made a profit in like....2000 and that's about it right? At least for a long time. These franchises are hobbies for the owners, ego boosters. Very few owners look for their sports franchise to be their main source of revenue.

                    The recession just made those losses seem a little bigger, but that will change again in a few years I'm sure.
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                      Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                      This league is going under. How do you have a cap increase when most of the teams are losing money.
                      maybe some teams are losing money, but the league as a whole must be doing well. the salary cap is calculated as a percentage of income, so the cap increasing means the league is doing more business, not less.

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                        Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                        Stern said the league lost $400 million last year!
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                          Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                          Stern said the league lost $400 million last year!
                          http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/14/s...s-must-be-cut/

                          DALLAS -- Throughout All-Star Weekend, NBA commissioner David Stern's favorite figure has been 90,000. That's the minimum crowd expected at Sunday's All-Star Game at Cowboys Stadium.

                          But Stern on Saturday rolled out another figure he believes needs to be out there: $400 million.

                          That's the total amount of money he says NBA teams will lose this season. Stern also spoke of losses of at least $200 million per season in the first four seasons of the current collective bargaining agreement, 2005-09.

                          Stern often doesn't like to deal in such negatives. But he felt compelled to throw out that figure, which he said has been provided to the players union, a day after union executive director Billy Hunter said a CBA by the NBA that wanted to drastically cut player salaries was unacceptable.



                          "We had assured the players that we would deliver a proposal that was one that would lead to that sustainable business model [the NBA needs during this economic downturn]," Stern said about negotiations for a collective bargaining agreement to replace the existing one, which expires June 30, 2011. "Our response is you can denounce it, tear it up, you can burn it, you can jump up and down on it, as long as you understand that it reflects the financial realities of where we are.

                          "We have shown the players the facts, and, at our current level of revenue devoted to players' salaries, it's too high. I can run from that, but I can't hide from that. And I don't think the players can, either."

                          A source said Thursday that 25 to 27 of the NBA's 30 teams will lose money this season.

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                            Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                            I guess this was done so Miami could sign their big three to big contracts.............way to go Stern. Its gonna be fun!!!!!!!
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                            Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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                              Re: NBA News Release - Cap to be at $58.044

                              I heard a while back that the NBA is technically a non-profit. Not the teams themselves, but the entity that binds them together. Funny if true. Anybody able to verify?
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