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    Obviously it's early in the process for us to know anything for sure. But I wanted to see what everyone's thoughts were on Lance possibly being our point guard of the future? How many of you think he has the tools to do it? It has been mentioned before by some here, so I wanted to revisit the idea. When I watched the latest episode of Pacers Crate with Magnum and Lance, he mentions he thinks that the point is the best position for him.

    The problem for me is there is nothing to really go on, in terms of him playing the position, but it looks like the Pacers will try him out there in Summer League, which gives us all something to really check out. I would love it he did work out to be a PG, he is big and can pass the ball and get to the rim, but will he be a pass first point guard or a score first point guard? Anyone out there that watched him in Cincy with thoughts on him playing PG?

    I know we are still going to try to find someone on the market, but none of the guys mentioned really get me excited. Anyways, let's talk about it: Lance at the point!
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    Are you sure O'Brien won't stick Dunleavy or Murphy at the point? I mean Lance can't hit the three at a high enough clip and shooting three's is what it's all about right?

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    Point guard of the future. I doubt it. He's not actually a point guard. However, if need be he could play point. I'm opposed to putting players out of position though.

    He's a decent passer, and a good ball handler. Not that great of a shooter. Possible 0 guard.

    What is it with this organization and making players play out of position. Just a heads up, Dahntay Jones is going to be much more effective at the SG position than the PF one. Dun is going to be much more effective at the SG or SF spot than the PF spot. Watson and Price are point guards not shooting guards ect...

    Having him run the PG spot in Summer league definitely makes sense. Paul George is an SG/SF and we don't really have a PG in camp. Plus you get to see if he can handle it until AJ gets back. Gives us more options if he's capable. Gut feeling is he'll make a much better SG than PG though..
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    Point guard of the future.

    I doubt it. He's not actually a point guard. However, if need be he could be a point guard.

    He's a decent passer, and a good ball handler. Not that great of a shooter.

    What is it with this organization and making players play out of position.
    I know he didn't play the point in college, but he seems to think he can play the position. It's worth a look at least.
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    The problem he's had his entire life is he's too ball dominant. He's a shoot first, pass second type of player, or at least he was at Cincy.

    Larry seems to think his attitude has changed though, and if he wants to be a team player, there's no reason why he can't be a dominant point guard.

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    I know he didn't play the point in college, but he seems to think he can play the position. It's worth a look at least.
    Oh yea, it definitely worth a look, and we don't really have a better option in camp.

    But Ben Gordon thought he was a point guard too...

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    The problem he's had his entire life is he's too ball dominant. He's a shoot first, pass second type of player, or at least he was at Cincy.

    Larry seems to think his attitude has changed though, and if he wants to be a team player, there's no reason why he can't be a dominant point guard.
    I don't trust LB's judgment of players.

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    not knocking on Lance or anything (actually, i LOVE him to death, as you guys may have realized,) but it just seems like he tells people what they want to hear
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    not knocking on Lance or anything (actually, i LOVE him to death, as you guys may have realized,) but it just seems like he tells people what they want to hear
    Hmmm, thanks, yeah not thrilled with the way he answers questions, he does seem to say what you want to hear, but not every player has great sound bites...
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    Hmmm, thanks, yeah not thrilled with the way he answers questions, he does seem to say what you want to hear, but not every player has great sound bites...
    A lot of players do that, especially young ones.

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    I remember mentioning this a long time ago when he was drafted that they would try him out as point and hope for a Tyreke Evans type player, many thought I wrong but I guess I was on the right track.

    I think that if he can control his turnover issues, and obtains a pg mentality then he may actually start a few games at PG this season... near the end that is... here is the starting line up that I fell we will have by the beginning and end of the season...


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    Yeah I think

    Starting out it will be
    1 Ford
    2 Rush
    3 Granger
    4 Murphy
    5 Hibbert

    By the end it will be

    1 Stevenson
    2 George
    3 Granger
    4 Hansbrough
    5 Hibbert

    I think Ford and Murphy will be traded by the end of the season, and Bird OBrien will try Stevenson at the 1....Rush will be a good 6th man
    Then I switched McRoberts for Hansbrough as an after though... this is assuming we trade ford and Murphy, and I didn't take into account who we may trade for. It may not happen but I don't think that it is unconceivable...

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    Listening to JMV, Lance comparing himself to Dwayne Wade... we could only hope!
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    The problem he's had his entire life is he's too ball dominant. He's a shoot first, pass second type of player, or at least he was at Cincy.

    Larry seems to think his attitude has changed though, and if he wants to be a team player, there's no reason why he can't be a dominant point guard.
    Well, yes actually there IS. His apparent lack of athleticism would seem to eliminate a 6'5" (stocky) guy from guarding world class quick point guards.

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    Oh and what he brings to the PG position could be very good adding another dimension. No he wouldn't be the typical pg but his mid range game is pretty good... It is always good to have a PG that is willing to take it in, and take a little contact and kick it out to Granger, Rush, Murphy, George for the 3.

    I guess we will see how he does in summer league...

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    I think he has enough ball handling, basketball IQ/savvy, and play making skills to be a PG... just needs to loose the selfishness he was known for...
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    Filling in the Blanks: NCAA Scouting Reports
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    Toward the end of his freshman season, Cincinnati shooting guard Lance Stephenson surprisingly announced that he would return for his sophomore year. Weeks later, he shocked few when he reneged on that announcement and entered the NBA Draft with an agent (reportedly his lawyer, Alberto Ebanks). While Stephenson always seemed like a one-and-done player, he had a subpar freshman season that exposed many of his flaws and showed the limit of his potential.

    Physically speaking, Stephenson has solid height for an NBA shooting guard at 6-5 with good length and a strong frame. As was the case in high school, he relies on his strength to overpower weaker players and compensate for his lack of athleticism. From a conditioning standpoint, he did not appear to be in ideal shape this past season, likely carrying an extra 10-15 pounds on his thick frame. He is quick in the open floor, but lacks the explosiveness and lateral quickness expected from wings (!!!! if he ain't quick enough for WINGS......)
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    While he will continue to work on his strength and conditioning, there is no doubt that Stephenson is a below average athlete in the NBA.

    His offensive skill set, which is heavily reliant on isolations and muscling his way to the basket, will probably have to be adapted at the next level, given his lack of explosiveness and quickness. While Stephenson’s touch around the basket is not bad, his overall shooting during his freshman season was extremely poor. He shot a dismal 21.9% from beyond the arc, converted under 50% from inside the arc and made just 66% of his foul shots.

    On film, his shooting motion with his feet set is not terrible. He has a fairly fluid motion and release. But he has issues with excess lower body movement, and when he shoots off the dribble, his mechanics are less consistent and he has a tendency to fade away while shooting.

    The biggest issue here is Stephenson’s decision making. He settles for bad shot after bad shot, in spite of miserable percentages and open teammates. He seems to lack any sort of understanding of shot selection. Even when his shots were not falling, he forced the issue and, if his teammates sought their own offense, he tended to pout and fade into the background. This is likely the primary cause for concern from NBA scouts, as Stephenson has never really shown the ability to play team-oriented basketball and could certainly have issues adapting to a situation where he’s simply a role player.

    Stephenson does a good job of creating space off the dribble, showing solid ball-handling skills for his size. The effectiveness of his mid-range game suffers due to his poor shot selection, but he has shown an ability to find shots inside the arc and pull up off the dribble. Similarly, he was at his best last season when he attacked the basket both in transition and in half court situations, where he could use his size and strength to his advantage. He must improve his willingness to find the open man, though, as his tunnel vision often results in offensive fouls and untimely turnovers.

    Though Cincinnati did not field the most competitive or disciplined team last season, Stephenson’s lack of offensive efficiency and selfish style of play have been omnipresent throughout his career. During workouts, he must somehow convince scouts that he is capable of playing team-oriented basketball and has the ability to produce efficiently in a smaller role. As we have written before, Stephenson possesses NBA-caliber scoring abilities. His average athleticism and questionable decision making ability, however, may force him to work his way up through the D-League first.

    On the defensive end, Stephenson did a decent job at Cinncinati, but his lack of lateral quickness limits his potential in this area at the next level. He will struggle to guard bigger and more athletic guards in the NBA, though his strength and length will likely work in his favor. His strong frame also helps him on the boards, where he averages 7.5 rebounds per 40 minutes, pace adjusted -- solid numbers for a wing player.

    His behavior off of the court has also been a well-documented issue in recent years. He stayed out of trouble at Cincinnati, but he has accumulated quite a collection of red flags during his brief time as an amateur basketball player. Any NBA team that considers drafting him will have to do extensive research about his background, and decipher why he was in such a big rush to leave Cincinnati after such a sub-par freshman season.

    While there are a tremendous amount of obstacles in his way, Stephenson still has the potential to be a contributor at the next level at some point down the road. While his lack of explosiveness and mediocre shot selection are areas of significant concern, he has good scoring instincts and a decent offensive repertoire. Stephenson is sure to be one of the most controversial players in the draft. There is no guarantee that he will even be picked, but he may be able to carve out a career for himself regardless, a la Stephen Jackson

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    Listening to JMV, Lance comparing himself to Dwayne Wade... we could only hope!
    That worries me. Anyone picked in the 2nd round probably shouldn't be thinking that highly of themselves. Goes along with the idea of self entitlement I've heard about him, however.

    I didn't hear how it was said, or the context, but to me he should just be talking about working his *** off to be sure he makes the team, or to prove all the people who didn't draft him wrong. Not how he compares to an All NBA player.

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    2010 Draft Profile - Lance Stephenson
    STRENGTHS: Lance is a big, strong, mobile and athletic scorer with an unquestionable scorer's mentality which has served him well in high school as well as at the University of Cincinnati. The Big East as well as non-conference play has been a successful audition for a guard that came on the scene with a chip on his shoulder and a desire to showcase his skills for one year before moving to the Association. His build allows him to shoot over smaller guards while also exhibiting surprising quickness at 6'5" and 200 pounds. In some cases Lance almost looks or craves physical contact en route to the basket on an athletic drive. Stephenson has demonstrated the ability to dish the rock in traffic and rebound with bigger players. He can be a streaky shooter but has an uncanny ability to always be around the rock and ready to score. While he has played some point for the Bearcats; his true position may be at small forward because smaller and quicker point and shooting guards provide trouble on the defensive end. But the tables quickly turn on the other end of court to an advantage for Mr. Stephenson.

    WEAKNESSES: If he's one and done then Lance definitely needs to work on his mid to long range jumper and cut down on his capacity for turnovers. I wonder about his level of maturity and whether his off the court antics will subside or reappear in the pros. Does he need to be the man? Because he may be the man on a D-League team if he doesn't stick with an NBA team. May want to also work on conditioning because most of the guys he'll guard at the two spot or the three spot will be his size and just as strong. Will also have to work on his defense if he is going to see real minutes on the floor in the Association.

    NBA OUTLOOK: What's the hurry? Stick around for another year; exhibit some leadership skills and show scouts that you are both physically and mentally ready for the grind of the NBA. Erase any doubt that you could be an impatient and unhappy bench and role player entering the NBA. Lance's hurry could put him squarely on a D-League squad or in Europe with a non-descript team. Talent can sometimes override good judgement; I hope it doesn't in Lance's case.
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    If you're quoting this to back up any statements, you just undercut your own debate.

    Any Joe Schmoe can write an article and send it in. Meh.

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    NBA Comparison: Aaron McKie/Ron Artest

    Strengths: Nineteen year old freshman with an NBA-ready body ... At 6'5 210, has a rare combination of power and quickness ... Completely dominated the New York PSAL, almost single handedly leading Lincoln HS to four titles (Owns the all time scoring record in the State of New York) ... Was often the biggest and strongest guy on the court, and took advantage of it, routinely dismantling opponents using brute force ... Relentless attacker of the basket, seeking out contact and getting to the free throw stripe where he converts at a high % ... Excellent penetrator with a quick first step ... Utilizes change of pace dribbles, cross-overs and spin moves to get into the lane ... Able to slither his way in between small creases ... Superior ball handler with a flare for the dramatic (good or bad) ... Good court vision. Aesthetically pleasing shooting stroke ... Supreme accuracy on pull up J's, especially when dribbling to his left ... "Easy" three point range. Has shown flashes of lock down on the ball defense with his strength and 6'10 wingspan ... Should be an instant fast break running the point at Cincinnati with his rebounding ability ... "Born Ready" has been hyped since day 1 at Lincoln, playing under tremendous pressure and scrutiny every night, even appearing in a documentary about him ...

    Weaknesses: Legitimate question marks surrounding his character and mental makeup (high school carrer marred by an assault charge) ... The hope is that he will gain maturity at Cincinnati ... His on court body language is awful ... Often seen pouting, dragging his feet, arguing with referees and yelling at teammates ... If he believes he should get the ball and doesn't, or doesn't get a call, he's inclined to allow it to affect his game and take a play or two off ... Despite his athletic gifts, lacks explosive elevation on his jumper and on drives to the rim ... Needs work on leg strength, but just not a very explosive leaper ... Tends to fade away and abort follow-through on his jump shot from time to time ... Capable of making the spectacular pass, but does not always make the simple, smart pass ... Shows glimpses of extraordinary court vision, but too often has tunnel vision toward the hoop and doesn't look for teammates ... Seems to predetermine when to shoot and when to pass, rather than natually allowing the flow of the game come to him ... Gets wrapped up in 'style points' and getting oohs and aahs from the crowd instead of playing sound fundamental basketball ... Prone to stagnant over-dribbling. Lateral quickness is just average - looks lead footed ...Too much standing around on defense rather than being proactive on help D ...

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    That worries me. Anyone picked in the 2nd round probably shouldn't be thinking that highly of themselves. Goes along with the idea of self entitlement I've heard about him, however.

    I didn't hear how it was said, or the context, but to me he should just be talking about working his *** off to be sure he makes the team, or to prove all the people who didn't draft him wrong. Not how he compares to an All NBA player.
    Yeah, sorry, the context was JMV asked him who he would compare himself to in the NBA. Lance said Wade, because he is a leader, makes great plays, and is a great player... that's not verbatim, but in general that is what he said...
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    If you're quoting this to back up any statements, you just undercut your own debate.

    Any Joe Schmoe can write an article and send it in. Meh.
    And so if you hadn't really seen a player, you would take the time to fill out a misleading and false report????????????? uh huh
    The only statements that I'm responding to are the silly ones suggesting he might be a point guard.
    Guess all those are just bs, eh?
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    Hopefully he will end up getting quicker by lowering his body fat some from the workouts the pacers will have him do... if he wants to succeed at this next level he is going to have to continue to work hard and listen to what the coaches and trainers have to tell him...

    I wish him the best....

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    well from what I can gather he has been working his @$$ off since committing to the draft and it has paid off a lot. that's why his stock rose so much in the days leading up to it.
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    He's 6'5. Clearly O'Brien sees him as a center.

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