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  • Current Pacers roster

    Big IF, but if no moves are made the roster as is, could it win the central, bron leaves for NY or Miami. Cavs, Pistons, Bucks, Bulls are good but not great, and the pacers relatively healthy could make some strides. i mean we did lose Foster, Dunleavy, Hansbrough for the entire season. if Dunleavy returns to form why could this team not win 40+ and compete in the central.

    PG: Ford, Price, Jones (may have to play point)
    SG: Rush, Dunleavy, Stephenson
    SF: Granger, George
    PF: Murphy, Hansbrough, McBob
    C: Hibbert, Foster, Solo, Rolle

    obviously we need to upgrade at pg and we have several versatile wings, along with a deep frontcourt. I dont think its unreasonable to believe this team could win 40+ and make a run at the playoffs.

    maybe make a deal at the deadline involving some expirings acquiring a point gaurd if not sooner, and suddenly this team could contend.

    only negative might be JOB would get extended another year, but Bird has said before a coach should only be around for bout 3 years, cant see him lasting more than 5 unless we really go deep into the playoffs.

    a healthy squad could begin to fill some seats in Conseco, and a trade or two turn this team into a darkhorse.

    The East is not overall that strong. we could match up against a team like Orlando with the deep front court.

    is 40+ wins and contending for the Central division out of the question if Bron goes elsewhere?

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    Not if he goes to Chicago....

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      Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
      Big IF, but if no moves are made the roster as is, could it win the central, bron leaves for NY or Miami. Cavs, Pistons, Bucks, Bulls are good but not great, and the pacers relatively healthy could make some strides. i mean we did lose Foster, Dunleavy, Hansbrough for the entire season. if Dunleavy returns to form why could this team not win 40+ and compete in the central.

      PG: Ford, Price, Jones (may have to play point)
      SG: Rush, Dunleavy, Stephenson
      SF: Granger, George
      PF: Murphy, Hansbrough, McBob
      C: Hibbert, Foster, Solo, Rolle

      obviously we need to upgrade at pg and we have several versatile wings, along with a deep frontcourt. I dont think its unreasonable to believe this team could win 40+ and make a run at the playoffs.

      maybe make a deal at the deadline involving some expirings acquiring a point gaurd if not sooner, and suddenly this team could contend.

      only negative might be JOB would get extended another year, but Bird has said before a coach should only be around for bout 3 years, cant see him lasting more than 5 unless we really go deep into the playoffs.

      a healthy squad could begin to fill some seats in Conseco, and a trade or two turn this team into a darkhorse.

      The East is not overall that strong. we could match up against a team like Orlando with the deep front court.

      is 40+ wins and contending for the Central division out of the question if Bron goes elsewhere?
      Honestly, yes, winning the Central is out of the question even if Cleveland loses Lebron. I mean we have George and Hansbrough inserted, but unless something major is done we are still a below average team. As constructed look at our lineup;

      PG- Ford- terrible
      SG- Rush- well below avg shooting guard
      SF- Granger- top 7 SG in the league
      PF- Murphy- average at best PF when it is all said and done
      C- Hibbert- average

      I mean we are clearly above average at one position and well below average at the other two. Our bench of Price, Hansbrough, McBob, George, and others is nothing to write home about either.

      Milwaukee and Chicago are clearly better than us even if Lebron goes to NY.

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        Whoa. Win the Central? Wasn't this same exact team terrible last year?

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        • #5
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          no way. it would be a miracle to pass .500 honestly.

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            That's also operating under the assumption that Price makes the team because he doesn't have a guaranteed contract.

            However, I'm not sure how bad his injury is.
            Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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            • #7
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              if healthy, i think the pacers can win 40 games. Dun, Foster, Hansbrough could add alot to this team, with continued improvment from Hibbert and hopefully Rush.

              how come Dahntay Jones is not considered more as an option at pg. he has a pg frame, and he only needs to setup the offense, ie distribute to granger, Dunleavy, Rush, George, Murphy.

              defensively im confident Jones can gaurd point gaurds. as addressed in another thread, maybe we are not as desparate to acquire a pg as it appears. TJ is not horrible, he just needs to pass quicker to the above mentioned. and Jones offers defense at the point gaurd position. at least he should since that was our purpose of bringing him here.

              i see no reason why the team as is cannot compete for a 6th seed in the playoffs when healthy.

              point is.. lets not be hasty and acquire a pg who is not going to be the leader of this team for the next 5 years. Dun, Foster, Hansbrough and improvement in Hibbert and Rush in addition to scoring off the bench with George could net this team a 6th seed in the playoffs.

              and with expirings next offseason we could be agressive with other teams players.



              Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
              Honestly, yes, winning the Central is out of the question even if Cleveland loses Lebron. I mean we have George and Hansbrough inserted, but unless something major is done we are still a below average team. As constructed look at our lineup;

              PG- Ford- terrible
              SG- Rush- well below avg shooting guard
              SF- Granger- top 7 SG in the league
              PF- Murphy- average at best PF when it is all said and done
              C- Hibbert- average

              I mean we are clearly above average at one position and well below average at the other two. Our bench of Price, Hansbrough, McBob, George, and others is nothing to write home about either.

              Milwaukee and Chicago are clearly better than us even if Lebron goes to NY.

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                Originally posted by Swish View Post
                Whoa. Win the Central? Wasn't this same exact team terrible last year?
                but were not the same exact team. Dunleavy, Foster, Hansbrough missed the entire season. i expect Hibbert and Rush to improve. and we added scoring off the bench in George.

                i remember we beat some really good teams last year. i just dont think its all doom and gloom if we dont acquire a point guard.

                secondly, i see no reason why jones cannot backup TJ and split minutes. he is not going to play the wing much with Rush, Dun, George getting the majority of minutes.

                Jones might not be a pure point gaurd, but i trust he can gaurd them.

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                  I lack the sunshine to properly contribute to this thread.

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                    Originally posted by KingGeorge24 View Post
                    That's also operating under the assumption that Price makes the team because he doesn't have a guaranteed contract.

                    However, I'm not sure how bad his injury is.
                    true.. 4-6 months is what ive heard. bring in a guy like livingston or even resign watson.

                    and again, whats wrong with Jones playing point? he will not get time on the wing.

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                      PP

                      Don't get me wrong, I love the spirit and optimism, it is great. I and others are just being realistic here. It ain't happening. Although I would love to be wrong, I don't think I will be. With our current roster and good health we are a 35 win team. If everyone stays healthy and if everyone has a great year we MAY be a 41-42 win team, but that is it.

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                      • #12
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                        Nothing is wrong with Jones playing point, he is just not a point guard. It is the equivalent of Granger playing center.

                        Passing and ball handeling are not Jones strengths, nor is shooting. Dhantay is an iso player and would be quite frankly horrid trying to run pick and roll.

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                          no disrepect but i disagree. a healthy Dun, Foster, and Hansbrough in addition to Hibbert and Rush improvement gives this team a very deep albeit not superiorly talented roster. i remember the season before last this team seemed to compete every game, we lost a helluva alot of close games at the buzzer if i recall correctly. so what changed last year?

                          Dun was out, Foster was out, Hansbrough our top draft pick was out, and too much was put on Granger, hence the injuries. Hibbert will show improvement and if Rush is ever gonna have a breakout season this is going to be it. add some firepower in George off the bench and i see no reason this team cannot win 40.

                          maybe i am overvaluing Dun's ability to make the offense run more efficiently, or Fosters leadership, and the hustle, energy, toughness, intelligence, rebounding that Hansbrough gives us.

                          these guys really contributed next to nothing last year and they are key role players.


                          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                          PP
                          Don't get me wrong, I love the spirit and optimism, it is great. I and others are just being realistic here. It ain't happening. Although I would love to be wrong, I don't think I will be. With our current roster and good health we are a 35 win team. If everyone stays healthy and if everyone has a great year we MAY be a 41-42 win team, but that is it.
                          Last edited by PacersPride; 06-26-2010, 11:51 PM.

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                            Re: Current Pacers roster

                            Wow. I've heard of sunshining, but this gives the word a whole new meaning.

                            Without additonal players, this team will probably not win more than 35 games. And, if we have a few injuries during the season, they won't be lucky enough to close the season on a winning streak like we saw at the end of the previous season. So we may not even see 30 wins.

                            Just because we have 7 players playing PF/C, that does not make it DEEP. Having decent starters and QUALITY players off the bench would make it deep. We do not have that.

                            To be honest, if we don't make at least one significant trade using one of our expiring contracts to get a decent player, preferably a PG, before the season starts, the worst possible thing for the team would be for them to somehow be in the 8th position or near it as the February trade deadline approaches.

                            I say that because Bird has announced that his primary objective is to make the playoffs... that is always his objective. You put Bird in a position that the playoffs appear to be within reach as the trade deadline approaches, he may be tempted to leave the roster as is instead of wisely using some of his expiring contracts to acquire one or two players.

                            That would mean that we would rely totally on being able to use our cap space to get good players next summer. I believe we can improve our roster in this manner, but will probably not make significant strides since the better free agents might not choose to come to Indy.

                            So be a sunshiner if you must, but I believe that a roster left intact as the season opens is just about the worst of all possible scenarios.

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                              Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                              Nothing is wrong with Jones playing point, he is just not a point guard. It is the equivalent of Granger playing center.

                              Passing and ball handeling are not Jones strengths, nor is shooting. Dhantay is an iso player and would be quite frankly horrid trying to run pick and roll.

                              hell the lakers dont even use a traditional point gaurd in their offense. if jones cannot dribble the ball up the floor and pass it to Granger, Dun, Rush, George to initiate the offense then he worthless.

                              im not asking Jones to break down the defense like Rondo, shoot lights out, or pass like Deron Williams. just bring the ball up the court and intiate offense, and PLAY SOLID DEFENSE which i know he is capable of. in fact that is why i suggested it, cause i believe Jones can D up any pg in the league, at least he should be able to since he was signed as a defensive specialist.

                              let TJ and Jones split the pg assignment. our strength this year will be the wings and deep front court.

                              all im saying is, if we dont make a deal for a pg, we still may be a competitive team to watch, much like 2 seasons ago. im hoping we do land Collison, but i dont wannna see us get fleeced because were desparate to replace Ford.

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