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  • What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

    I just wanted to say hello since I just registered for this forum. I was reading around to see what people were thinking about the magnum rolle pick because he's a very good friend of mine from college and I see alot of people don't know alot about magnum because he played at LA Tech and that's nowhere near indy so I wanted to shed some insight on the man and his game bc alot of people were just up in the air on him.

    First off,Mag is one of the nicest dudes in the world, most of these NBA players are cocky and just a pain to be around, he's just a big kid and always has a smile on his face I guess its because he's from the bahamas and foreign people always seem friendlier. As for his game, you guys are getting the steal of the draft bar none. Magnum is a guy who was a 5 star recruit coming from high school, he played at Laurinburg which was the top prep team in the nation, the entire team played in college, even some of the JV players. He was in the top 20 in his recruiting class, he's a gazelle running the court for someone of his size.

    So you're wondering why such a stud stayed in college 4 years and is now getting to the NBA? Well most 5 star recruits get to college and start right away and that was the plan for Magnum to get to LSU and start alongside Glen Davis at the 4, but he ran into a guy who camee out of nowhere and was barely recruited, a man named Tyrus Thomas, the 4th overall pick a few years back. Tyrus put together one of the greatest seasons I've seen back in 2005-2006 and that's why LSU went to the final four that year. Magnum was relegated to backing up Tyrus and Glen, not to mention mcdonalds all american Tasmin Mitchell, Darnell Lazare,Kentrell Gransberry(eventual 1st team big east player at USF), and Chris Johnson. To say that LSU team was stacked with bigs was an understatement.

    Magnum was a stud as a freshman, don't look at the numbers, look at the big games in the NCAA tourney, he matched up defensively on Shelden Williams(when he was Duke's go to guy) and LaMarcus Aldridge in the sweet sixteen and elite 8. He did a great job on them...Glen Davis, Tyrus Thomas,Garrett Temple...3 NBA Players along with Darrell Mitchell(leading scorer but 5'11 sg now playing overseas) along with taz Mitchell, a mcdonalds all american.....the team was loaded,he wasn't asked to do much offensively so Magnum never got to show his total game at LSU.

    To think Magnum just left LSU because he's a quitter is nuts bc Brandon Bass,Tyrus Thomas, Kentrell Gransberry all ended up being big time pf's in college and all bailed on john brady the minute they could, he was one of the least liked coaches in the game and hence why he's at arkansas state college after taking a big SEC school to the final 4. John Brady had more talent at his hand in Magnum's 2 years there than he could handle and eventually Magnum had to do what was best for him and his future and leave because he had to showcase what he could do.

    You guys are getting a hardworker, who isn't cocky at all, I saw one post who said he looked cocky, he's seriously a good guy and all his teammates loved him. Looking at the bigs you guys have, Foster can rebound like crazy but is very limited offensively, so is Hibbert. Troy Murphy will probably be gone soon because his contract is nearly up and I'm sure he'll get used to bring in some more pieces, but if Magnum can work and put on a little weight he's at 230 right now, he's got a fluid jumper and can blow by most bigs off the dribble. I'm telling you, look up game tape of elite 8 game vs lamarcus aldridge in 2006, he was 19 then too. The NBA draft is a total joke where people end up going bc how a guy like scottie reynolds who has good size at 6-2 doesnt get picked is beyond me. Magnum destroyed ekpe udoh and larry sanders at their workout together but ekpe and larry still both went top 15. Either way, just wanted to let you guys know what you're getting, and if Jim O'brien isn't one of those coaches that buries rookies ahem larry brown, then you're going to see a tremendous big man whose game was built for the NBA.
    Last edited by rhyno; 06-26-2010, 02:03 AM.

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    Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

    Hey, I really like him, Just hope that he has a brillianty future with Pacers

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      Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

      Originally posted by rhyno View Post
      if Jim O'brien isn't one of those coaches that buries rookies ahem larry brown, then you're going to see a tremendous big man whose game was built for the NBA.
      He is.

      It would be great if Magnum turns out to be a steal, but if he makes the team he doesn't have much chance of sniffing the court, at least not initially.

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        Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

        I appreciate the post and information. You seem to be a good poster and it would be nice to see you stick around. That being said, Rolle isn't going to make the team. We have Hibbert, Foster, and Solo at Center and Murphy, Hansbrough, and McRoberts at PF. He's got a long road ahead of him, but I wish him the best of luck.

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          Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

          Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
          I appreciate the post and information. You seem to be a good poster and it would be nice to see you stick around. That being said, Rolle isn't going to make the team. We have Hibbert, Foster, and Solo at Center and Murphy, Hansbrough, and McRoberts at PF. He's got a long road ahead of him, but I wish him the best of luck.
          With Foster, Murphy, and probably Solomon Jones on their way out. Larry also personally interviewed Rolle when he was here working out and gave him advice, showing a lot of interest in him. I'm certain he's going to make the team.

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            Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

            Mcroberts was on that duke team that LSU beat in the sweet 16, watch what magnum did to him that game. Mcroberts finished 4-10 w/ 9 pts including 2 shots blocked by Magnum and 4 blocked by tyrus....to say josh mcroberts is incredibly unathletic would be an understatement, he's a nice player for sure but I'm just saying to think Magnum isn't making the roster from now is ridiculous because he just outplayed 2 first rounders in workouts....he put up 22 pts and 17 rebs on luke babbitt this year, he has a 27 pt 15 reb gm vs NM state who was a very good team, and a 23 pt 17 reb game at hawaii...you dont see guys like Roy Hibbert,josh mcroberts or Jeff Foster putting up games like that even in college. All I'm saying is he can play, and being a teammate of his in college, I just know if given the chance, the guy will impress you, I guarantee he makes the 15 man.

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              Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

              Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
              I appreciate the post and information. You seem to be a good poster and it would be nice to see you stick around. That being said, Rolle isn't going to make the team. We have Hibbert, Foster, and Solo at Center and Murphy, Hansbrough, and McRoberts at PF. He's got a long road ahead of him, but I wish him the best of luck.
              I see no way how you can say that...

              The off season has just started and we only have 11 guaranteed contracts.

              Yes there is a chance he may not make the team (mattering what happens in trade, i.e, if we get back more than we send out)... but there's a very good chance he does the way the roster stands now...
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                I can see him battling time with Josh behind Roy at center (believing Solo is traded).

                He seems like a good guy to have on the team both as a player and as a person.

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                  Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

                  Originally posted by rhyno View Post
                  if Jim O'brien isn't one of those coaches that buries rookies ahem larry brown, then you're going to see a tremendous big man whose game was built for the NBA.
                  He's worse than that. He plays contracts more than talent. So, big dollar players like Murph take the floor even when other players prove themselves on the floor. Obie almost seems annoyed with players like McRoberts have a big game and put pressure on him to give Josh minutes.

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                    Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

                    Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                    I appreciate the post and information. You seem to be a good poster and it would be nice to see you stick around. That being said, Rolle isn't going to make the team. We have Hibbert, Foster, and Solo at Center and Murphy, Hansbrough, and McRoberts at PF. He's got a long road ahead of him, but I wish him the best of luck.
                    It's a numbers game. Right now he's probably 7th out of 7. 6 of the bigs will wind up on the roster. If one gets traded, he'll probably make the team. If we really like him, he'll be here. It'll be very easy to move Foster or Solo if we really want to.
                    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                    - Salman Rushdie

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                      He got drafted, so he has a chance to make the team, but he doesn't have a guaranteed spot. We cut James White after trading up to get him. He looks good in the videos, but most youtube videos make players look good. He will have to work hard and have some luck with trades to make it here. I truly hope he does. Good luck to him.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

                        I'm excited about Rolle. He may be 7th of 7 right now, but I'm expecting Troy/Solo to be gone by the time the season starts. Foster probably retires after this year, and who knows if Hans will ever be the same.

                        So I like Rolle's chances of making the team.
                        This space for rent.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

                          Would have to say the odds are in his favor of making the team considering the financially strapped Pacers gave up cash in the trade to get him. Would think that a bit unlikely if they didnt feel there was a really good chance they keep him on the squad.
                          The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                            Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

                            Thank you so much for such an informative post on Magnum. This sheds some light on why Bird wanted him. It definately opens my eyes and mind about Bird's choice as I'm not known to be a big fan of Bird's draft picks. I don't want to over drink the kool-aide about Magnum, but it would be great if he could become a nice future player for the Pacers.

                            Welcome to the board and please continue to post.

                            Since the Pacers are looking for a PG and you mentioned Scottie Reynolds, what can you tell us about him? Looking forward to reading your info on Reynolds.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What You're Getting In Magnum Rolle....

                              No one on this team is guaranteed, and that is good for people like Lance and Rolle.

                              Play it out boys.

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