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    Title says it all. Would you give next years first for our new PG?
    I would do it.

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    John Wall, yes. Eric Maynor, no.

    What caliber of "young PG" are you referring to?

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    Assuming the PG is an established player that would be here for 5+ years and could get us to the playoffs next year, yes. If we plan on having another sub-par year waiting for players to develop, I'd rather have the lottery pick next year. It all depends on who the PG is.

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    depends on the pg

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    Collison, Hill, Lawson type PG.

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    A young, starting caliber PG yes... and the pick is a lottery protected 1st.
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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    It depends what young point guard you're talking about.

    Clarify who you had in mind, if you will

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    I am talking about the guys we have tried to get already. Collison, Hill, Flynn are a yes for me. Maynor probably not.

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

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    I am talking about the guys we have tried to get already. Collison, Hill, Flynn are a yes for me. Maynor probably not.
    Collison: Yes
    Flynn: Yes
    Hill: Not with next years 1st. I would for just Rush or Rush + Filler/Expirer
    Maynor: No

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    Young PG, huh? I hear Acie Law is available.
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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    I don't think any of those players represent a significant talent upgrade over Rush.
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    No....
    Rush straight up for a Hill, Lawson, Collison ...then yes.
    Heck, our fist pick next year may be better then any of those.
    I think we might be overrating these guys because we need a pg so bad.
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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

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    Young PG, huh? I hear Acie Law is available.
    Marcus Williams too.
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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    Bird says he is trying to win now. That means he would give up next years pick for someone to help him when now, right?

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    Hey, I was mad when Atlanta took our future all-star PG in Law.

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    For Collison, Flynn, Maynor -- No

    For Parker, Paul -- Yes. I would even add more to the trade for these two.

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    Collison, Hill, Lawson type PG.
    No, we can get this caliber PG by trading Rush and/or Ford or Murphy. Which is what I hope the Pacers plan is.

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    No, we can get this caliber PG by trading Rush and/or Ford or Murphy. Which is what I hope the Pacers plan is.

    I hope you are right!

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    Yes, if it were for a sure fire upgrade, not Hill, Maynor or Flynn.

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    Yeah, I wouldn't add the pick. No guarantee we make the playoffs at all. And next year's draft may be really good. I'd like to move the expirings more than Rush personally, but if we get a good enough PG I'd add Rush.

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    Bird says he is trying to win now. That means he would give up next years pick for someone to help him when now, right?
    I hope not. Not getting back equal value for a short term fix could set us back a few years long term. But fortunately it looks like he's not willing to give up too much in a desperation move. I'd be willing to make an equal value trade for someone like Collison, but if we have to overpay, I'm OK with signing a decent vet until we can upgrade through future drafts.

    Bird will take plenty of criticsm from the public for "not getting it done" after talking to several teams and not coming away with a PG, but I personally praise him for not getting desperate and screwing up the core of young players we have. Granger, Hibbert, George, Rush, and Price are all pretty nice players for the future. I'm not ruling out Hansbrough, either, because in essense he's basically still a rookie because of all the time he missed. McRoberts also made some big strides.

    I think we have a better group of players than we think because they've been playing in system that doesn't fit most of them. Does anyone other than JOB really think Hibbert is going to maximize his potential in a system that emphasizes 3-point shooting and small ball? Or Rush who should be a catch and shoot guy and a defensive specialist when our PF Murphy is the one taking the outside shots?

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    Default Re: Would you give next years first and Rush for a young PG?

    I'd only give up a first for a Paul-Rondo type player.

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    We give up Rush we're going to need to get a starting SG in return. George and Stephenson may have "upside potential" but I don't hear anybody arguing that they are as NBA-ready as Rush/ Hibbert (who were not consistent starters as rookies.)

    If our starting lineup next season is PG-TBD/ Stephenson/ Granger/ George/ Hibbert we will get a top-four lottery pick. Maybe even higher.

    Maybe that's a good thing overall. But in the short-run?
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    I'm not sure whether or not most of those PG's are that much better than a healthy A.J. Price, at least enough to warrant giving up Rush and a potential lottery pick. Honestly, the only "available" point guard I would trade for in this scenario is Collison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacers74 View Post
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    Bird says he is trying to win now. That means he would give up next years pick for someone to help him when now, right?
    If that were really true, don't you think he would have drafted NBA-ready players, not "upside potential" players.
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