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Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

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  • Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

    Okay, so I understand the frustration a lot of us have with Larry Bird in regards to not executing a trade, especially one for a point guard. But was this draft really that big of a disappointment as some have made it seem?

    This was an extremely weak point guard draft, with only 3 first round talents, one of which was John Wall. That leaves us with the option of either Avery Bradley or Eric Bledsoe, neither of which I valued very highly at all. Taking either of them at 10 would have been a huge risk, and I can see the complaints flying had we taken either of them.

    That leads us to our potential trade options.

    1. Eric Maynor/21/26 for 10
    or
    21/26 for 10

    Sure, this deal may not have been all that bad, but honestly, Maynor is a backup point guard. I don't think he truly has the talent to be a starter, but maybe I'm wrong. At 18 and 21 James Anderson and Craig Brackins were available, and while I like them both, I still don't see us having a legit point guard.

    *Edit, OKC wanted to keep Maynor, so you can take him off. (Thanks to HanSolo)

    2. The Jonny Flynn deal

    David Kahn proved once again why he may be the worst GM in the entire NBA. After calling out the Pacers and their front office on certain deals, nothing was going to get done with them anyways. I like Flynn, but I don't know if he's the PG of the future. He reminds me too much of TJ 2.0

    3. Ty Lawson

    Again, another player who reminds me too much of TJ. He's a bit stronger, but seems to be another shoot first, pass second point guard who I don't believe was the PG of the future, and paying the 10th pick seemed to be a steep price.

    4. Darren Collison/Emeka Okafor for 10/Rush/Ford or Murphy

    Okay, so I agree this was the deal we maybe should have made. I don't know who we'd throw in, but of those possibilities, I don't really care. I'd be open to trading all of them. But when you look at it, we have just as good of a chance of getting them now, while still keeping the 10th pick and having Paul George be a potential stud. We can still land Collison for point guard of the future, and even though I hate Okafor's contract, I like him up front with Hibby.

    Recap:

    I think this was a good draft, and with all of our expirers left, plus the increasingly annoying Brandon Rush, we can still get a great point guard while drafting two studs with George and Stephenson.

    Maybe I'm wrong, and that's ok. But don't bash Larry for not getting you a mediocre point guard in a weak point guard draft. We got talent. We got athleticism. We've got expirers and we have time to get a great point guard.

    That is all
    Last edited by Psyren; 06-25-2010, 02:41 PM.
    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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    Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

    none of these deals were available during the draft
    OKC wanted to keep Maynor and trade us the 21 and 26 pick (where both Bradley and Bledsoe were gone)
    Kahn is an idiot
    Ty Lawson was not for trade..Denver straight up said that
    I still feel like there's potential for a NO trade
    Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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    • #3
      Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

      We don't need a point guard this season. Our goal is to eventually win the championship and all getting one of those point guards on the table now would get us is maybe 38-39 wins and the 8th seed AT BEST, while leaving us with no real long term PG solution. We'll get a PG when there is a good one available and when we are actually planning on making a playoff run.
      Lifelong pacers fan

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      • #4
        Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

        Originally posted by HanSolo View Post
        none of these deals were available during the draft
        OKC wanted to keep Maynor and trade us the 21 and 26 pick (where both Bradley and Bledsoe were gone)
        Kahn is an idiot
        Ty Lawson was not for trade..Denver straight up said that
        I still feel like there's potential for a NO trade
        Very true, maybe none were available DURING the draft, but at one point they were all at least allegedly discussed.

        But I agree, NO is a possibility still in my mind
        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • #5
          Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

          Are you asking why people are upset that the Pacers don't have a quality starting point guard in general, as the title suggests, or are you asking why people are upset they didn't come out of the 2010 NBA Draft with a point guard to add to the roster as the bulk of your post would suggest?

          If the former, it's tough to win games without one. If the latter.......probably the same answer actually (though who really knows what, if any players, were available outside of this year's supposedly weak draft prospects).

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          • #6
            Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

            Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
            We don't need a point guard this season.
            Yep, we'll just play Rush at point and that'll be that. It's not like anybody cares about next season anyway. Except for the six people who still get tickets, but that's their own damn fault. [/green]
            Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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            • #7
              Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

              Originally posted by btowncolt View Post
              Are you asking why people are upset that the Pacers don't have a quality starting point guard in general, as the title suggests, or are you asking why people are upset they didn't come out of the 2010 NBA Draft with a point guard to add to the roster as the bulk of your post would suggest?

              If the former, it's tough to win games without one. If the latter.......probably the same answer actually (though who really knows what, if any players, were available outside of this year's supposedly weak draft prospects).
              My apologies for a vague title. But the question is, Why is everyone upset at not acquiring a PG out of the draft or a trade?
              Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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              • #8
                Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                Originally posted by Evan199 View Post
                My apologies for a vague title. But the question is, Why is everyone upset at not acquiring a PG out of the draft or a trade?
                No worries - just wanted to make sure I knew what you were going for.

                I generally agree with you - if there was a decent option actually available, I get the impression that the front office's desperation has sunk to the point where they would have made a move. But they're not going to make a deal so completely lopsided that they just sold the farm for a mediocre player. You're better off just trying to stockpile more talent with your picks and making a trade later. It's not like the Pacers are so talent-laden that they can start making picks based solely on need.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                  Im not upset, yet. I will be upset if we don't have a servicable point guard by the opening of training camp.
                  Go Pacers!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                    I think it's time to nail this position down for awhile. The season-to-season thing isn't good for such a critical position.

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                      Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                      Originally posted by KingGeorge24 View Post
                      Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?
                      Because we don't have a Point Guard.

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                        Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                        I think we'll likely get someone who we at least think is multi-season solution this offseason.

                        I also don't necessarily think we need a really young point guard. If we can calculate with some certainty that Andre Miller has three good years left, I'd consider trading for him. A smart veteran like that would enormously help the development of all of our young talent. We've never had the pleasure of seeing even Granger play with an above average point guard. Once Dre retires and then you find a way to bring in a young PG who can be brought into his own sort of like Rondo did but older, more experienced talent.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                          Thanks as I have said before I don't feel that any of the PG's that we could have gotten will get us to out ultimate goal of winning a championship... The playoffs mean nothing to me if you know that you have no chance to win it all..

                          We will get the point that we want in time, don't you know when you rush something it always ends up BAD.... Be patient Pacer Fans
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                            We will get a new starting PG for next season, but it's going to take some patience. Of course some folks will be upset, and for good reason, we have all gone through some serious pain over the last few seasons and we're sick and tired of losing. But I am just going with patience on this one and the thought that a deal will happen. There is plenty of time and it is probably wiser to wait and see what happens with free agency anyways.

                            I know how bad everyone wants to be a winner again. So I can totally dig some folks being upset, they will continue to be until we win again. I am not upset, I am happy with draft and look forward to Summer League. This is a business and making deals is not easy. Bird is being patient and waiting for the right move. We will make something happen once things start to level off after Lebron decides where he's going. Everything will follow that, IMO.

                            To be honest I don't know who we will get? I think patiences is the way to go, enjoy that we drafted a great player in Paul George and wait till mid July we should know a whole lot more then.
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                              Re: Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

                              Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
                              Im not upset, yet. I will be upset if we don't have a servicable point guard by the opening of training camp.

                              The Pacers have a serviceable PG, but most just don't want him rendering his services.

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