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    If forced to trade either Granger or Hibbert, what would be your preference?
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    Default Re: Granger or Hibbert?

    I don't like this poll.
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    neither, unless the player that is coming back is to good to pass.

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    Hibbert unfortunately. Hibbert probably has the potential, but needs to show be more consistent and continue to stay out of foul trouble. I'd hate to lose the kid, b/c I believe he can be a really good player, and big centers are hard to come by, but Granger is just too good right now, and I still think he can get better

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    I guess granger, assuming his large contract will get more players back (one of whom needs to be at least Granger's equal in talent.)
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    If forced to choose, I choose to keep my left kneecap intact. You may take out my right kneecap with the baseball bat.

    For me, this question is totally dependent on what we get in return. Granger is high level talent who will be better this year and in the next few years than he has been if he is truly healthy (IF), where Hibbert is a rare commodity not easy to come by on the interior who could improve radically from where he is now with proper coaching in the future.

    If I had to choose for this exact instant for the Pacers, Granger would be the one to trade because of the likelihood of being able to get more back in return for him that would possibly be a difference maker right away.

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    Hibbert, though only if we're snagging something really good.

    I love the big man, but C's in Hibbert's mold aren't really needed to win a championship, and he'll always be a defense question mark against team with quick post players.

    All things being equal, though, I'd rather we keep him and watch him develop into a really good player on his own.

    Danny's position is easier to replace, but unless you're bringing in a top-10 or -15 player in the league, I think you hold on to your all-star talent.
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    I say you have to keep Granger and trade Hibbert if you have to get rid of one of them. The ideal situation would have us keeping both players and just using pieces like the #10 pick, Murphy, Dunleavy, Foster, and Ford in deals, but I doubt we get much of value back for those pieces.

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    Granger > Hibbert

    And it's not even close.

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    Granger > Hibbert

    And it's not even close.
    I agree.

    But I voted to keep Hibbert.

    It's completely emotional, and that's my position.
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    Granger is a better player than Hibbert at this point, but a player with Roy's skill set is hard to come across. He is going to be a beast if he continues to progress as he has.
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    Hibbert has value has a borderline starting 5 or a backup five.

    Granger is an all-star.

    Why is this a dilemma for anyone? Hibbert's terrible.

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    ****, I voted wrong.

    Is Granger more valuable than Roy? Yes, of course. But we could get a lot more for him. He's wasting his prime away here, by the time we're any good he'll be in decline.

    Plus, I'd like to see him play for another coach before he forgets completely how to play defense.
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    Hibbert has value has a borderline starting 5 or a backup five.

    Granger is an all-star.

    Why is this a dilemma for anyone? Hibbert's terrible.
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    I guess if the only way this would make since, is if we were offered the same package for both of them. Say New Orleans offered a package of CP3 and Okafor and we could send either Granger or Hibbert, than I would rather keep Granger.
    In reality Granger would bring back more than Hibbert, so of course it depends on the plays coming back to us.,

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    I would rather keep Hibbert than Granger for the simple fact that I want to win a championship, and don't care if we have an all-star SF or not. SF/SG that can score 20 points and play good defense are a dime a dozen. A great C is hard to come by. Hibbert has the potential to become one of the better center's in the league, and you can't trade that away if you know what is best for the future of the team.

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    Are we sure that Hibbert is good enough to start for more than 10 teams in the league at the five? How high is the value on Hibbert really? Some one said he is worth 10 million dollars... over two years maybe.

    We are talking about a very slow player in a league that is growing faster than will have to guard someone like Cousins or Favors down the road, having to guard the paint against faster wings, I don't see it. His rebounding numbers are still a bit low, and while he is progressing I don't see him ever reaching anything more than an offensive version of Kendrick Perkins- good at what he does (almost elite level offense instead of elite level of defense), but doesn't give much else.

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    I would rather keep Hibbert than Granger for the simple fact that I want to win a championship, and don't care if we have an all-star SF or not. SF/SG that can score 20 points and play good defense are a dime a dozen. A great C is hard to come by. Hibbert has the potential to become one of the better center's in the league, and you can't trade that away if you know what is best for the future of the team.
    I don't think Roy will ever even come close to being a great C. A decent-to-pretty-good starter, possibly. But let's not kid ourselves here.
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    I don't think Roy will ever even come close to being a great C. A decent-to-pretty-good starter, possibly. But let's not kid ourselves here.
    Agreed completely.

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    I don't think Roy will ever even come close to being a great C. A decent-to-pretty-good starter, possibly. But let's not kid ourselves here.
    I'm not kidding myself. I never actually called Hibbert great, I just said he had a chance to be one of the best. In a league where there seems to be fewer and fewer good PF/C one of the best may just be a good starter. Hell, right now a good starter at C is a second tier C. I'm not kidding myself, Hibbert never would have made it in the 80's or 90's, he would be a back-up on just about every team on his best day. This isn't the same league of the 80's and 90's. It has become a league of flash and awe, which has led to an undervalue of PF/Cs even though it is constantly the team with the better PF/Cs who win championships.

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    For me, it's all about intangibles. Human intangibles.

    Roy is an incredible dude. I think he has captured the hearts of a bunch of people in Pacerland, and if he were traded, it would hurt the franchise in a big way not related to basketball capabilities.

    It's one of the reasons why I started this thread, to see how many other people besides me feel this way.
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    For me, it's all about intangibles. Human intangibles.

    Roy is an incredible dude. I think he has captured the hearts of a bunch of people in Pacerland, and if he were traded, it would hurt the franchise in a big way not related to basketball capabilities.

    It's one of the reasons why I started this thread, to see how many other people besides me feel this way.
    Oh, so he's the second coming of Jeff Foster. I see how it is now.

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    Oh, so he's the second coming of Jeff Foster. I see how it is now.
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    Granger is and always will be better, I would hate to trade either, but if I had to, I'd trade Granger. He is older and has had some injury problems.

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    SF/SG that can score 20 points and play good defense are a dime a dozen.
    I had to highlight this. I hear people say it all the time....and it's just flat out ridiculous.



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    These SGs or SFs scored at least 18.1 PPG last year.

    How many of that list actually play good defense? Maybe 8?
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