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    Mock Draft, Version 6.0: Picks 1-30
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    There's no question who's going No. 1. But after John Wall ... that's when things will get interesting.
    With the 2010 NBA draft two days away, it's time to take our first full look at both rounds of the draft. As teams continue to narrow their draft lists down, there are still plenty of things up in the air with tons of trade talk and last-minute workouts taking place.

    Here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, at how the draft will play out on June 24.


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    Washington


    John Wall

    Position: PG
    Height: 6-foot-4
    Weight: 196 pounds
    Age: 19
    School: Kentucky
    (Wall's previous position: No. 1 to Washington)

    Analysis: Wall as the No. 1 pick is still the only sure thing in the draft. He had his workout in Washington D.C. last week, and from all indications it went well.

    The task for the Wizards now turns to filling in the spaces around him -- getting a healthy and focused Gilbert Arenas, looking for bargains or perhaps Rudy Gay in free agency, and figuring out how to turn the Wizards into a powerhouse franchise. Adding Wall is a big, big step in the right direction, but only one of many the Wizards are going to have to take.


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    Philadelphia


    Evan Turner

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 214
    Age: 21
    School: Ohio State
    (Turner's previous position: No. 2 to Philadelphia)

    Analysis: We're keeping Turner at No. 2 even though we continue to hear from some sources that the team is after a big.

    Why? Because after the Sixers worked out Turner last week, and even after they swapped Samuel Dalembert for Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes, a well-placed source in Philly continues to insist that Turner is their guy.

    Still, I continue to hear that head coach Doug Collins prefers the team draft a big. He's been very high on Derrick Favors and, according to sources, was wowed by Cousins after he and Favors worked out in Philly. If Collins wants to win now, Cousins could be the catalyst.

    So what does it come down to in Philly? I think we'll find out Thursday who makes the decisions in Philly. If it's Turner, Ed Stefanski is the man in charge. If it's Favors or Cousins, Collins may be running the ship.


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    New Jersey


    Derrick Favors

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 245
    Age: 18
    School: Georgia Tech
    (Favors' previous position: No. 3 to New Jersey)

    Analysis: The latest news out of NJ is that there is a three-way scrum between Cousins, Favors and Wes Johnson. Cousins and Favors worked out against each other on Monday in New Jersey. And the team is also high on Johnson because of its need at the wing and his ability to step in and play from day one.

    Cousins, who has been awesome in recent workouts in Sacramento and Philly, was good again in Jersey, not only showing his dominant offensive moves in the paint, but shooting the lights out, too. Favors showed off his athleticism and upside, but in terms of NBA readiness, Cousins has the edge.

    That could make the Nets' decision pretty tough. Not only does new owner Mikhail Prokhorov want to win now, so does new head coach Avery Johnson. That could push Cousins or small forward Wes Johnson into the foreground.

    However, there are issues with Cousins if they take him at No. 3. The Nets are also targeting a number of veteran big men, including Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer this summer. With Brook Lopez already in the middle, would the Nets have minutes for Cousins?



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    Minnesota


    Wesley Johnson

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 206
    Age: 22
    School: Syracuse
    (Johnson's previous position: No. 4 to Minnesota)

    Analysis: The Wolves are one of the most active teams in the league right now. They have explored moving up in the draft to get Turner. They've also looked at packaging the 16th and 23rd picks in an effort to move up and get a second top-10 pick.

    If they keep the No. 4 pick, it continues to look like their target is Johnson, who we've had going to Minnesota in our mock draft since May. He was in Minnesota last week and wowed everyone in the organization. Not only is he a great basketball player, but he's a great young man and the type of locker-room guy that a young team wants to build with.

    However, it appears that all the uncertainty at the top of the draft could be swaying Minnesota. Over the past 24 hours the team has been seriously discussing taking Cousins, who has refused to work out for Minnesota. The team has had some interest in potential trades for Al Jefferson or Kevin Love and has been watching a lot of tape on Cousins to be sure they aren't missing the boat. While he isn't a great fit and there are concerns about his attitude, he's such a talent that the Wolves might be reluctant to pass.


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    Sacramento


    DeMarcus Cousins

    Position: C
    Height: 6-11
    Weight: 292
    Age: 19
    School: Kentucky
    (Cousins' previous position: No. 5 to Sacramento)

    Analysis: Last week, we put Cousins here after a terrific workout in Sacramento over Greg Monroe. What's happened since then? Well, Monroe returned to Sacramento for a second workout, and sources say he wowed them again. In addition, the Kings swapped Nocioni and Hawes for Dalembert, giving them a much-needed shot-blocker and rebounder in the middle.

    So where does that leave Sacramento? I hear Cousins might have a slight lead over Monroe, but it's very close. However, more and more, a third option is emerging: Trading the pick. GM Geoff Petrie has zero history of trading down in the draft, but the Kings are actively exploring their options with so many teams pining to get their hands on Cousins -- everyone from Detroit to Boston has been looking at moving up.



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    Golden State


    Greg Monroe

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-11
    Weight: 247
    Age: 19
    School: Georgetown
    (Monroe's previous position: No. 6 to Golden State)

    Analysis: The Warriors are among the most difficult teams in the draft to predict right now. Over the course of the past week, I've heard a number of players were atop their list, including Cousins, Monroe, Al-Farouq Aminu, Xavier Henry, Ekpe Udoh, Patrick Patterson ... I could go on.

    To me, this is where the gamesmanship really starts. The Warriors could go in almost any direction. The team itself is a bit of a mess. We're not sure who's going to own the team in a month, the coaching situation is up in the air, players are on the trading block and agents who have had their players work out for Golden State don't particularly want their guys to end up there.

    For weeks, the word I've been getting is that Cousins is the guy. If he's off the board, the next closest consensus among sources (and I use the word "consensus" loosely) is Monroe. He reportedly had a bad workout in Golden State, but it might not matter. The Warriors need more size, and Monroe's high basketball IQ and skill level should be a nice fit in Golden State.


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    Detroit


    Ed Davis

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 227
    Age: 20
    School: North Carolina
    (Davis' previous position: No. 10 to Indiana)

    Analysis: Pistons president Joe Dumars has said he wants his team to regain the grit and toughness of past Pistons teams. But picking at No. 7 makes that a bit of a challenge. Detroit is really high on both Cousins and Favors, but most likely it will have to move up in the draft to get one of them.

    Monroe is also high on its board, but in our latest scenario, he's gone too. Regardless, the team needs a big man.

    For weeks I've had Aminu going to Detroit, but after Aminu canceled his workouts in Detroit, the Pistons have begun looking in other directions.

    At this point it looks like it's down to Davis, Udoh or Cole Aldrich. Aldrich is the most NBA-ready center and Udoh is the best shot-blocker of the group. But of the players left on the board, Davis has the most upside. He may be raw, but he's an athletic 6-foot-10 big man with bounce and the ability to crash the boards. The Pistons need to swing for the fences.



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    L.A. Clippers


    Al-Farouq Aminu

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-9
    Weight: 215
    Age: 19
    School: Wake Forest
    (Aminu's previous position: No. 7 to Detroit)

    Analysis: The Clippers could go in a lot of different directions with this pick, and I keep getting mixed signals.

    The latest word has them narrowing the field down to Aminu, Davis, Udoh, Gordon Hayward and Luke Babbitt.

    Of those five names, Aminu would be the winner if he was still there at No. 8. The Clippers have a big hole at the 3 and feel he's a top-five talent in the draft. If he's gone, the Clippers' decision is whether to go big or wing. If they go big, I think Davis has the slight edge. If they go with a wing (their biggest need at the moment), it appears that Hayward and Babbitt are neck-and-neck. So which direction will they go?

    In that scenario, I think Hayward wins out for two reasons. One, he's got more upside, and two, he's a better defender right now.


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    Utah


    Luke Babbitt

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-9
    Weight: 214
    Age: 20
    School: Nevada
    (Babbitt's previous position: No. 9 to Utah)

    Analysis: The Jazz are crossing their fingers that Monroe slips to them. If he doesn't, as we've projected here, they have a tough choice. Davis has been moving strongly up their board, but in this mock he's going at No. 7 to Detroit.

    The Jazz could still address their need for a big with Udoh, or they can address a big need at the wing. Babbitt, Henry and Hayward are all options the team would be comfortable with.

    Which way are they leaning? GM Kevin O'Connor is keeping his cards close to the vest. I think Babbitt has a slight lead over Henry, Hayward and Udoh at the moment. But this one could come down to draft night.

    I'll say this: The Jazz have been consistently high on Babbitt all year. They have had success with sweet-shooting small forwards like him, and he can come in and contribute from day one. All that should give him the edge.


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    Indiana


    Ekpe Udoh

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 237
    Age: 22
    School: Baylor
    (Udoh's previous position: No. 14 to Houston)

    Analysis: The Pacers continue to talk to a number of teams about moving up, down or all the way out of the draft. It's no secret the team needs a point guard, and it's no secret that at No. 10, there probably isn't a point guard worth taking.

    So the team now has a tough choice if Davis and Monroe are both off the board: Udoh or Paul George? Udoh gives them something they have lacked for years: a legitimate shot-blocker. George has that silky-smooth shooting touch and upside that Brandon Rush hasn't really displayed in Indiana. Of the two, I think Udoh's leading the charge, but as the Pacers continue to talk trade, someone else could be making this pick.



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    New Orleans



    Gordon Hayward

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 211
    Age: 20
    School: Butler
    (Hayward's previous position: No. 8 to L.A. Clippers)

    Analysis: The Hornets have a new head coach, and job No. 1 is filling a pretty large hole in their frontcourt. The Hornets have Emeka Okafor and David West and not much else.

    However, the choices of Aldrich and Patterson haven't blown the team away. Both players do not have the sexy upside of other players in the draft.

    That could lead the Hornets to the wing, where they eventually have to replace Peja Stojakovic. Hayward has the raw abilities to be a terrific 3 someday. While he struggled with his shot last season, teams think he will adapt well at the next level and has a chance to be a star.


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    Memphis


    Paul George

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-9
    Weight: 214
    Age: 20
    School: Fresno State
    (George's previous position: No. 16 to Minnesota)

    Analysis: It's tough to know which way the Grizzlies are leaning. Over the course of the past few weeks, the three names that have gotten the most buzz have been George, Babbitt and Patterson.

    After making a huge reach for Hasheem Thabeet at No. 2 last season, you'd think the Grizzlies would go conservative and take either Babbitt or Patterson. While neither player has enormous upside, both are NBA-ready and can provide instant offense.

    However, as the process moves on, it appears that George is slowly moving to the front of the pack. How do we know? Because George is in for a second workout in Memphis on Tuesday -- this time in front of owner Michael Heisley. If you read the Memphis Commercial Appeal on Sunday, it's Heisley who makes the final decision in Memphis, not GM Chris Wallace. While George is clearly the biggest risk of the group, he's also the player with the most upside. If he develops his many talents, he could be a superstar.


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    Toronto


    Patrick Patterson

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 245
    Age: 21
    School: Kentucky
    (Patterson's previous position: No. 12 to Memphis)

    Analysis: The Raptors could go in a number of different directions here. With Bosh likely out the door, Hedo Turkoglu pining for a trade and the team shopping Jose Calderon, you can expect the team to look radically different next season.

    Finding a center is atop GM Bryan Colangelo's list. If Bosh leaves, he'd like to move Andrea Bargnani to the 4. But of the top big men left on the board -- Orton, Whiteside and Solomon Alabi -- none of them is close to being ready.

    The Raptors have been looking closely at Avery Bradley, but their inability to find a trade for either Calderon or Jarrett Jack makes taking Bradley a risk. So look for them to focus on the best big man left on the board: Patterson. He may not be a flashy player or filled with upside, but he is tough, plays hard and will be solid at the next level. At pick No. 13, that's all you can ask for. Think of him as this year's Tyler Hansbrough.


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    Houston


    Cole Aldrich

    Position: C
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 236
    Age: 21
    School: Kansas
    (Aldrich's previous position: No. 11 to New Orleans)

    Analysis: The Rockets have been another team trying to move up a few spots in the draft. At No. 14, it looks like virtually every player they covet will be off the board. If they can't move up, that should put them in the mode of taking the best player available.

    That would be Aldrich, who is a big with the ability to block shots and rebound. He also has a decent face-the-basket game. With Yao Ming's long-term status really up in the air, Aldrich gives them a backup big that should be able to step in and play right away.



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    Milwaukee
    (via Chicago)


    Xavier Henry

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 210
    Age: 19
    School: Kansas
    (Henry's previous position: No. 15 to Milwaukee)

    Analysis: The Bucks have a big need at the wing position with Michael Redd coming back from injury and John Salmons looking to opt out of his contract. Of the players left on the board, Henry looks to be, by far, the best value. He can play either the 2 or 3, and can shoot the lights out.

    Speaking of upside, we probably should add one more name to the list. It's a long shot, but Cincinnati's Lance Stephenson has impressed in workouts, and the Bucks have had their eye on him for a while. It seems like he's a bit of a reach at 15, but John Hammond rolled the dice on a former high school phenom with a bad rep last year and it paid off. Will he do it again this year?


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    Minnesota
    (via Charlotte)


    James Anderson

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-6
    Weight: 210
    Age: 21
    School: Oklahoma State
    (Anderson's previous position: No. 17 to Chicago)

    Analysis: The Wolves have been actively trying to package Nos. 16 and 23 to move up a few spots in the draft to get their hands on George. But if George is gone, there aren't a lot of prospects they're in love with here.

    I think the Wolves would be more aggressive in trying to trade at this point. If they keep the pick, they might go ahead and take Anderson, who doesn't have the upside of some of the other wing guys like George or Hayward, but was one of the best scorers in college basketball last year. He would give the Wolves more shooting on the perimeter.



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    Chicago
    (via Milwaukee)


    Avery Bradley

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-3
    Weight: 180
    Age: 19
    School: Texas
    (Bradley's previous position: No. 13 to Toronto)

    Analysis: I've had Anderson here for every mock draft; the Bulls need a 2-guard who can shoot the basketball, and Anderson was the most NBA-ready prospect left on the board. But in this mock, Anderson's already off the board. While I still think Anderson is in the mix here -- along with Dominique Jones and Jordan Crawford -- a name I'm hearing more and more at 17 is Bradley.

    With Kirk Hinrich on the trading block, Bradley's ability to swing between the 1 and the 2 is important to a team like the Bulls, who envision him more in a Monta Ellis-type role.



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    Miami


    Eric Bledsoe

    Position: PG
    Height: 6-2
    Weight: 192
    Age: 20
    School: Kentucky
    (Bledsoe's previous position: No. 18 to Miami)

    Analysis: Bledsoe has been in this spot since our first mock draft. While teams as high as Indiana (10), Toronto (13) and Houston (14) are in the mix for him, Miami looks like the perfect resting spot for Bledsoe. He's a tough, Pat Riley-type of player and could be a long-term upgrade from the Mario Chalmers-Carlos Arroyo duo at point guard.

    Bledsoe was one of the players who really helped himself at the draft combine. Playing outside of Wall's shadow, he often looked like the best guard on the floor. Physically, he's ready for the NBA right now. But he still needs more experience running the point. In the long term, Bledsoe could pay off.



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    Boston


    Damion James

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 227
    Age: 22
    School: Texas
    (James' previous position: No. 20 to San Antonio)

    Analysis: I've had Alabi going to Boston for weeks. But after finding out Monday that the team hasn't been able to get him in for a workout, I'm hedging.

    I still believe the Celtics like Alabi a lot, however, the name I'm hearing more and more out of Boston is James. He makes a lot of sense for the Celtics. He's a tough, physical player who can play both the 3 and the 4 for them. He's one of the few guys left in the draft that can come in and play on a veteran team like the Celtics right away.


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    San Antonio


    Craig Brackins

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 229
    Age: 22
    School: Iowa State
    (Brackins' previous position: No. 26 to Oklahoma City)

    Analysis: The Spurs need size, and this pick will likely come down to either Brackins or Alabi. While Alabi has the size and upside, with Tiago Splitter possibly coming to San Antonio this fall, the Spurs may be set at the 5.

    Brackins' ability to spread the floor and play inside and outside is coveted in San Antonio. A number of GMs have told me he could end up being the sleeper of the draft.



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    Oklahoma City


    Solomon Alabi

    Position: C
    Height: 7-1
    Weight: 237
    Age: 22
    School: Florida State
    (Alabi's previous position: No. 19 to Boston)

    Analysis: The Thunder will have a tough call to make here between Alabi, Daniel Orton and Kevin Seraphin. The Thunder have been high on Orton all year, but a so-so workout in OKC, along with concerns about his knees, have given them and everyone else in the league pause.

    The Thunder, meanwhile, have been high on Alabi for a while. He may seem like a bit of a reach to some, but he appears to be one of the hotter names in the draft at the moment. The Raptors, Celtics, Spurs, Thunder, Heat and Blazers are all showing interest. Those are all teams with historically good draft track records, so watch carefully.

    Alabi measured as one of the tallest and longest players in the draft, and he showed a nice skill game and a terrific motor in the drills. Some scouts are comparing him to Dikembe Mutombo. I don't think Alabi has the same sort of rebounding and shot-blocking ability, but he does have a similar demeanor and presence on the court.



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    Portland


    Kevin Seraphin

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 258
    Age: 20
    Country: France
    (Seraphin's previous position: No. 23 to Minnesota)

    Analysis: Kevin Pritchard hit a home run with the 25th pick in 2008 when he drafted French swingman Nicolas Batum. How good is Batum? The Blazers rejected the Wolves' offer of the No. 4 pick for Batum a couple of week ago.

    Now they have their eyes set on Seraphin, a French big man with great athleticism and excellent defensive instincts. The Blazers would also love Alabi, but in this case he isn't on the board. Hassan Whiteside and Orton are also possibilities here.




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    Minnesota
    (via Utah)


    Larry Sanders

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-11
    Weight: 222
    Age: 21
    School: Va. Commonwealth
    (Sanders' previous position: No. 28 to Memphis)

    Analysis: With the Wolves going with wings with their first two picks, look for them to take a swing at a player with huge upside at No. 23. Sanders has a freakishly long wingspan and can really run the floor. He also gives the Wolves something that they've been in short supply of -- shot-blocking.

    Whiteside and Orton are both possibilities here as well. But it sounds as if the Wolves are a little turned off by the immaturity of both players and might not need a center anyway -- they will pursue Darko Milicic in free agency and sign former second-round pick Nikola Pekovic this summer.



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    Atlanta


    Hassan Whiteside

    Position: C
    Height: 7-0
    Weight: 227
    Age: 20
    School: Marshall
    (Whiteside's previous position: No. 22 to Portland)

    Analysis: The Hawks could go in a lot of directions here. They might end up having to replace Joe Johnson in free agency. But at this point in the draft, Whiteside's upside might be too much to pass on.

    Whiteside is the best shot-blocker in the draft and, when he's playing well, reminds some of a young Marcus Camby. He's immature and needs a lot of work, but at No. 24, there isn't a player left on the board with more upside.



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    Memphis
    (via Denver)


    Jordan Crawford

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 198
    Age: 21
    School: Xavier
    (Crawford's previous position: 27)

    Analysis: Crawford's stock has been slowly rising, and now he's in the mix with the Bulls at 17, the Celtics at 19, the Spurs at 20, the Blazers at 22 and the Wolves at 23. But it looks like he won't slide past the Grizzlies here. The addition of Crawford and George would give the Grizzlies a ton of punch in their backcourt.

    I'm not sure there are enough basketballs in Memphis for all these guys, but you have to like the talent they're acquiring.



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    Oklahoma City
    (via Phoenix)


    Daniel Orton

    Position: C
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 269
    Age: 19
    School: Kentucky
    (Orton's previous position: No. 21 to Oklahoma City)

    Analysis: Orton is a bit of an enigma. His 3 ppg and 3 rpg as a freshman at Kentucky certainly won't wow you. But he has the raw tools to be a successful big man in the pros.

    The Thunder were among the teams that were on him early, and they might just get lucky and get him here. While Orton is in the discussion starting at the 10th pick, concerns about his knees and his relative lack of playing time over the course of the past two seasons are weighing on teams.

    He could easily end up in the lottery (he's working out for the Pacers on Tuesday), but I doubt he slips further than this.


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    New Jersey
    (via Dallas)


    Dominique Jones

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-5
    Weight: 216
    Age: 21
    School: South Florida
    (Jones' previous position: 25)

    Analysis: Jones was one of the best scorers in college basketball last year. He's tough, physical and relentless getting to the basket. While he's not quite the shooter teams want, he's been a guy who has consistently drawn praise in workouts. I think his range starts at No. 17 with the Bulls, and I don't think he slips past here to the Nets.


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    Memphis
    (via L.A. Lakers)


    Devin Ebanks

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 208
    Age: 20
    School: West Virginia
    (Ebanks' previous position: No. 34 to Golden State)

    Analysis: The Grizzlies likely won't end up with three first-rounders. They are talking to several teams about trading one or both of their picks in the 20s. However, if they stay here, look for them to focus in on a wing defender to go with the two scorers they drafted ahead of them. Ebanks may not be a special offensive player, but he can guard three positions on the floor.


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    Orlando


    Darington Hobson

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 204
    Age: 22
    School: New Mexico
    (Hobson's previous position: No. 33 to Sacramento)

    Analysis: The Magic haven't worked out many players. Each year they pick a small handful of prospects they like and then grab from there. Of the group they've had in, Crawford and Ebanks are off the board. Of the group left, Hobson makes a lot of sense. His playmaking ability and versatility remind some scouts of Turkoglu. The Magic missed that this season.


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    Washington
    (via Cleveland)


    Quincy Pondexter

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 220
    Age: 22
    School: Washington
    (Pondexter's previous position: No. 30 to Washington)

    Analysis: Pondexter is coming off a great senior season and is one of the best athletes in the draft. With the Wizards trying to rebuild with young players who can get up and down the floor, he seems like a good bet here.

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    My guess is that Udoh will be drafted by the Pacers, there will be a huge cheer from the PD contingent at the Draft Party......15 minutes later, we'll find out we traded down for Orton and Maynor...and there will be a collective "WTF" reaction from the crowd.
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    Watch us trade Ford for Hinrich. Or Ford/Rush for Hinrich/James Johnson while drafting George or Hayward to be the 2 of the future.

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    15 minutes later, we'll find out we traded down for Orton and Maynor...and there will be a collective "WTF" reaction from the crowd.
    I like Maynor, but Orton will draw a big groan from me. I don't care how great your teammates are, if you can't get on the court, stay on the court, and play well enough to get over 3 points and 3 rebounds a game in college, nobody in their right mind out to be picking you in the first round of the NBA draft.
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    I like Maynor, but Orton will draw a big groan from me. I don't care how great your teammates are, if you can't get on the court, stay on the court, and play well enough to get over 3 points and 3 rebounds a game in college, nobody in their right mind out to be picking you in the first round of the NBA draft.
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    I continue to believe that Udoh is not BPA @ 10, given how I would imagine the draft going at this point:

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    I continue to believe that Xavier Henry is the guy you have to take at this point. I have a bad feeling though, that we'll grab Udoh and watch Henry compete in the ROY race.

    This guy is an absolute baller. Could play the 2 and 3, would intermix with Rush and Granger, and is hungry about the game of basketball. Has a good head on his shoulders.

    He's going to be a stud player, IMO... and if he doesn't get drafted by us, he'll go from 11-14. Mark my words.

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    I continue to believe that Udoh is not BPA @ 10, given how I would imagine the draft going at this point:

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    Babbitt

    I continue to believe that Xavier Henry is the guy you have to take at this point. I have a bad feeling though, that we'll grab Udoh and watch Henry compete in the ROY race.

    This guy is an absolute baller. Could play the 2 and 3, would intermix with Rush and Granger, and is hungry about the game of basketball. Has a good head on his shoulders.

    He's going to be a stud player, IMO... and if he doesn't get drafted by us, he'll go from 11-14. Mark my words.
    I don't disagree with you. I think Udoh will be a good player, not sure how high his ceiling will be, though. Henry is somewhat comparable to Rush I think, but the differences, imo, between the two are that Rush is the better defender, but on the offensive end, I don't think Henry will be nearly as shy about shooting the ball as Brandon is.

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    I continue to believe that Udoh is not BPA @ 10, given how I would imagine the draft going at this point:

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    Babbitt

    I continue to believe that Xavier Henry is the guy you have to take at this point. I have a bad feeling though, that we'll grab Udoh and watch Henry compete in the ROY race.

    This guy is an absolute baller. Could play the 2 and 3, would intermix with Rush and Granger, and is hungry about the game of basketball. Has a good head on his shoulders.

    He's going to be a stud player, IMO... and if he doesn't get drafted by us, he'll go from 11-14. Mark my words.
    You could be on to something here, he is certainly worth a look. I liked his interview at the workout, struck me as a very confident player who is not afraid to take the shot and know what he needs to do to get better. The only knock I have heard is that he is not a super athlete. How would you compare him to RUSH?
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    Watch us trade Ford for Hinrich. Or Ford/Rush for Hinrich/James Johnson while drafting George or Hayward to be the 2 of the future.
    If we were to take on Hinrich.....he'd be the Starting SG for the near future.
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    I don't disagree with you. I think Udoh will be a good player, not sure how high his ceiling will be, though. Henry is somewhat comparable to Rush I think, but the differences, imo, between the two are that Rush is the better defender, but on the offensive end, I don't think Henry will be nearly as shy about shooting the ball as Brandon is.
    I see more Joe Johnson in Henry than Rush, to be honest. He has consistently gotten better over time, and is still young.

    He'd likely vibe very nicely off of Hibbert, Granger, and Hansbrough.

    For a #10 pick, I think what you get in Henry is a solid starting 2 that's borderline All Star at some point in his career. That's pretty good value, and then opens up the conversations about what you do with Rush at the trade deadline or next offseason.

    I think Henry likely rubs off very positively on Rush, and then we have the happy circumstance, for a change, of a *real* trade chip that we can leverage long term.

    What made me a full-on buyer was his Pacers post-interview where he spent most of the time just talking about how much he enjoys playing basketball. It's in his blood.

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    I think Udoh will get better. I am most interested in his shot blocking and defense, we really need someone, besides Hibbert who can hold it down on the defensive end in the paint. I think on the offensive end he is going to be a get better with his mid-range scoring, and also scoring on the block. Rebounding will be another area I think is going to do well with...
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    I continue to believe that Udoh is not BPA @ 10, given how I would imagine the draft going at this point:

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    Babbitt

    I continue to believe that Xavier Henry is the guy you have to take at this point. I have a bad feeling though, that we'll grab Udoh and watch Henry compete in the ROY race.

    This guy is an absolute baller. Could play the 2 and 3, would intermix with Rush and Granger, and is hungry about the game of basketball. Has a good head on his shoulders.

    He's going to be a stud player, IMO... and if he doesn't get drafted by us, he'll go from 11-14. Mark my words.
    I agree. My dark horse pick at #10 would be Xavier Henry or Paul George ( if he can truly play as a SG ).

    My first preference is still Udoh...but if we were to pass on him and had the choice between Xavier or Hayward, I'd go with Xavier. I don't get the sense that Hayward or Xavier is that much better then the other that there is a noticeable difference ( in terms of draft stock ) where it would be a "no-brainer" to choose one over other. It's more a matter of fit at the SG spot. Xavier Henry would be a better fit alongside Granger as a SG.
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    I agree. My dark horse pick at #10 would be Xavier Henry or Paul George ( if he can truly play as a SG ).

    My first preference is still Udoh...but if we were to pass on him and had the choice between Xavier or Hayward, I'd go with Xavier. I don't get the sense that Hayward or Xavier is that much better then the other that there is a noticeable difference ( in terms of draft stock ) where it would be a "no-brainer" to choose one over other. It's more a matter of fit at the SG spot. Xavier Henry would be a better fit alongside Granger as a SG.
    I agree, if your picking between Xavier and Hayward, you go with Henry.
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    I see more Joe Johnson in Henry than Rush, to be honest. He has consistently gotten better over time, and is still young.

    He'd likely vibe very nicely off of Hibbert, Granger, and Hansbrough.

    For a #10 pick, I think what you get in Henry is a solid starting 2 that's borderline All Star at some point in his career. That's pretty good value, and then opens up the conversations about what you do with Rush at the trade deadline or next offseason.

    I think Henry likely rubs off very positively on Rush, and then we have the happy circumstance, for a change, of a *real* trade chip that we can leverage long term.

    What made me a full-on buyer was his Pacers post-interview where he spent most of the time just talking about how much he enjoys playing basketball. It's in his blood.
    I also like Henry and if Udoh and Davis are both off the board at 10 than I think the Pacers will be forced to make the pick for themselves and not for a trade partner.

    At that point their options would seem to be Paul George, who they have repotedly shown interest in, Henry, Patterson , Bledsoe or Bradley. I would like them to consider James Anderson as well who dominated Henry last season.

    But you are right that SG should almost be as big a priority as PG since we are awful at both spots. Even if you believe that Dunleavy has a big bounce back year, are we really going to give him a big long term extension ? I would hope not.

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    I think Udoh will get better. I am most interested in his shot blocking and defense, we really need someone, besides Hibbert who can hold it down on the defensive end in the paint. I think on the offensive end he is going to be a get better with his mid-range scoring, and also scoring on the block. Rebounding will be another area I think is going to do well with...
    I'm with you on this. I'd love to have a Smits/Davis-esque frontline, a Pacers version of the Two Towers. Hibbert can be a great player and putting a guy like Udoh, who is a 6'10" shot-blocker, next to Hibs would mean we could likely own the paint in the near future. And if we learned anything from this year's Finals, the team that wins the battle in the paint is likely to win the game.

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    I'm with you on this. I'd love to have a Smits/Davis-esque frontline, a Pacers version of the Two Towers. Hibbert can be a great player and putting a guy like Udoh, who is a 6'10" shot-blocker, next to Hibs would mean we could likely own the paint in the near future. And if we learned anything from this year's Finals, the team that wins the battle in the paint is likely to win the game.

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    Udoh is a shot blocker, yes, but he's not a "physical intimidator" like Davis was. Not sure if you were really trying to make that comparison or not. To me he's more like a Ty Thomas type of shotblocker, or Josh Smith. Mobile/agile/athletic, but not powerful/intimidating.

    I'd be happy with Henry as well, I actually forgot about him. I really liked his interview and I thought he was underused at Kansas. He could be a really nice player someday.

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    I think Udoh will get better. I am most interested in his shot blocking and defense, we really need someone, besides Hibbert who can hold it down on the defensive end in the paint. I think on the offensive end he is going to be a get better with his mid-range scoring, and also scoring on the block. Rebounding will be another area I think is going to do well with...
    Here's where I struggle with Udoh: I think he will be more than competent defensively, but only against opponents his size.

    His frame isn't the kind that will allow him to defend bigger 4 and 5's... as a result, he's just not going to be the kind of intimidating force that will "beat" people mentally as imawhat alluded to in his fabulous writeup on Hansbrough.

    He seems like more of a finesse player ala JO, which doesn't match up as well with Hibbert IMO. Seems like we need more of a wrecking ball type of 4, with some real girth on him. More like a (hate to say it) D. Blair kind of player.

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    I don't know, I do not see Udoh as a long time starter, more of a possible role player starting out, who in two years we will be wondering why we picked him. He just does not really scream to me that he will be that good in the NBA, but I guess we are the team of average players who who everyone expects to blossom eventually into something very good. Besides Danny and Murphy everyone else is just potential or average...

    I will say that I am glad to see that Roy is finally starting to come around, although he needs to be a lot better rebounder...a lot

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    Here's where I struggle with Udoh: I think he will be more than competent defensively, but only against opponents his size.

    His frame isn't the kind that will allow him to defend bigger 4 and 5's... as a result, he's just not going to be the kind of intimidating force that will "beat" people mentally as imawhat alluded to in his fabulous writeup on Hansbrough.

    He seems like more of a finesse player ala JO, which doesn't match up as well with Hibbert IMO. Seems like we need more of a wrecking ball type of 4, with some real girth on him. More like a (hate to say it) D. Blair kind of player.

    I hear ya doc, but I will take his 7-5 wing-span & 240 lbs. His abilities to blk shots and get rebounds. I think you want more of a banger there and I wouldn't disagree that it's nice to have some that can move folks out of the way getting to the rim. I look at Udoh shot blocking and rebounding in college and I like what I see, and that is what I want him for.
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    Udoh is a shot blocker, yes, but he's not a "physical intimidator" like Davis was. Not sure if you were really trying to make that comparison or not. To me he's more like a Ty Thomas type of shotblocker, or Josh Smith. Mobile/agile/athletic, but not powerful/intimidating.

    I'd be happy with Henry as well, I actually forgot about him. I really liked his interview and I thought he was underused at Kansas. He could be a really nice player someday.
    I wasn't directly comparing the two, my thinking is along the same lines as this post \/\/

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    I hear ya doc, but I will take his 7-5 wing-span & 240 lbs. His abilities to blk shots and get rebounds. I think you want more of a banger there and I wouldn't disagree that it's nice to have some that can move folks out of the way getting to the rim. I look at Udoh shot blocking and rebounding in college and I like what I see, and that is what I want him for.
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    GREAT to hear that Paul George is high on the Pacers list!!! If they keep the pick he has got to be the man
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    I'm with PacerPride33 if George is there he is the man. If we have to go big than Udoh would be my choice.

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    can anybody post the mock draft 6.1 please?

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    can anybody post the mock draft 6.1 please?
    This one is 6.1- I didn't look closely enough at the title....

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