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    Apparently the TWolves did decline our offer of #10 for Flynn. So this latest trade rumor must be a counter from Kahn

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    The Minnesota Timberwolves rejected the Indiana Pacers' offer to trade the No. 10 overall pick in Thursday's NBA draft for Wolves point guard Jonny Flynn, Minnesota president of basketball operations David Kahn said today.

    "They called last week," Kahn said of the Pacers. "We turned it down in a second."

    Indianapolis Star reporter Mike Wells first reported the Wolves' decision to turn down the deal earlier this afternoon on his Twitter page.

    Flynn, the No. 6 overall pick in the 2009 draft, averaged 13.5 points, 4.4 assists and 2.9 turnovers while playing all 81 games in his rookie season.

    Kahn also confirmed numerous reports that the Wolves and Golden State have had "preliminary" talks about 6-foot-10 forward-center Anthony Randolph, but denied a trade was imminent. Randolph, a second-year player with Golden State last season, was limited to 33 games last season because of an ankle injury.

    "It won't take place this week, if it happens at all," Kahn said of a Randolph trade.

    Randolph averaged 11.6 points and 6.5 rebounds.
    My guess is nothing goes anywhere with these 2 teams. Kahn is probably after Granger again

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    Would be shocked to see Granger or Big Al as components in this deal. Possible, but unlikely.

    Something quite smaller could work, however:

    We send:

    TJ
    #10
    #40

    For

    #16
    #23
    Flynn
    Gomes

    TJ expiring after next year creates room for Rubio to step in next year and be the starter. We also take on 3 years of Gomes' salary (3.9ish).

    Minny holds onto #4, takes Johnson, & then the best avail at 10. They keep their Love/Al Jeff trade pieces for another deal to round out their team.
    I think this deal makes sense for both teams.

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    Wow I'm kinda surprised Kahn is so direct. That seems like he could burn some bridges if he leaks the wrong stuff/says the wrong thing to the media. His GM buddies may not appreciate that at all.

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    This is what I think the deal might be:
    Indiana:
    Out-Hibbert, Rush, Ford, 10 maybe 40
    In-Love, Flynn, Gomes 16, 23
    Minnesota:
    Out-Love, Flynn, Gomes 16, 23
    In-Hibbert, Rush, Ford, 10 maybe 40
    It makes sense because we are looking for PG/PF and cap space (Gomes contract not fully guaranteed). Minn. gets Ford for a year until Rubio comes next year and they move Love while getting a starting center in Hibbert to play with Jefferson and Rush as a soild bench player and better then Gomes. Plus Minn. would have flexibility with 2 top 10 picks. Hibbert is the hangup for us I think because the Pacers really like him. This would be a hard trade to make if you really value Hibbert the way I think the Pacers do. I have mixed feeling about this myself because I really like Hibbert but it does good things for us and would be hard to turn down. What do you think?

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    how does Minne turn down Flynn for #10, then offer Flynn, 16, & 23 for the #10 and fodder, doesn't make sense.

    (Flynn for 10)
    We probably offered them D. Jones to match salaries.
    They said no.

    (Flynn, 16, & 23 for the #10 and fodder)
    They add the 16th and 23rd picks to what we wanted means they want more than fodder.

    My guess since we turned it down means they wanted Hibbert as part of that fodder.

    EDIT; A lot of you guys are going wild adding to many players.

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    Default Re: Minnesota offering Jonny Flynn and two first-round picks (16 and 23) to Indiana for a package that includes the 10th pick

    I have a feeling Hibbert has to be involved. Otherwise the Pacers would have already accepted this trade.

    I can stomach taking the risk and getting rid of Rush, but getting rid of Hibbert would be tough. I mean, you could end up with Flynn, who appears to be a decent PG although somewhat ball dominant, and two players who pan out which would make it a good deal, or you could end with Flynn and this year's version of a Kirk Snyder/Sergei Monya pupu platter. Trading for first round picks especially in a weak crop is really risky. Flynn probably keeps this deal from being a total epic fail if you're looking worst case scenerio but you pause if you think he's going to be the best guy you get in the deal.

    It is worth taking a look at dealing with OKC for Maynor. He can't score like Flynn but I don't like ball dominant point guards anyway. If Maynor is capable of playing 30 minutes in the NBA he could probably average 7 or so apg when he peaks. And we could likely keep Hibbert in any scenario for Maynor.
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    I think the Pacers have to do this trade if its still on the table.. We get the PG we need in Flynn. We have 16 and 23 and could land Patterson, Orton. Come on Larry make this happen!

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    If they trade Roy , It will be the last straw , with me , with this Pacer's team..
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    Bird could be holding on to the pick to see who is available on draft day at #10. Im sure if Monroe or Cousins are available, Bird would want to have the pick
    Yeah I would assume if this rumor is true that Bird would wait until we are selecting or sometime on Draft Day to announce the trade all depending on who is left during the draft, just so that he would be making sure he gets maximum value of of the 10th pick, Rush, etc etc.

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    If we get rid of Hibbert, I would want Jefferson in return and then use the #16 to draft Orton/Patterson
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    I have a feeling Hibbert has to be involved. Otherwise the Pacers would have already accepted this trade.
    Yep and I am glad they did turn it down. A center is hard to come by even if its a 7'2 guy who can't rebound very well.

    To the above post of will567,
    No way they add Love to the deal.

    Flox,
    If Hibbert continues to progress then your looking at a 10 mill + contract when he resigns. My reasoning behind that is this. None of those guys you listed are double teamed except sheed in his prime. Hibbert is already commanding respect from the defense as a second year player. IMO, He is limited as a player but those limitations are not going to hold back a team from giving him a big contract.

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    If we can get Love out of the deal I'd totally be up for moving Hibbert.

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    Make it happen Larry!!!

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    I don't understand why Minnesota would want Hibbert unless they have other moves in the works. My understanding is that both Jefferson and and Love are slow footed.
    This is Kahn we're talking about. The guy drafted 3 point guards, traded one, and then signed pg Ramon Sessions to a 4 year deal. I wouldn't spend much time trying to figure it out.

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    I'd rather have Sessions.

    Sessions
    #16
    #23
    2.6 mil TE


    Foster... expiring
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    rights to Lorbek/Stanko

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    If we can get Love out of the deal I'd totally be up for moving Hibbert.
    If we could get Love or Jefferson, I'll be all for moving Hibbert. My guess is that Minni is willing to move Jefferson is they get the right pieces back. They've already asked for Granger for Jefferson (we rejected)....so they are willing to move Jefferson...Word is that, Jefferson and Love dont get along well
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    If we trade Roy Hibbert I will never forgive Larry Bird and will want him fired on the spot. I don't care how many picks we get, there isn't one player on Minnesota's roster I would trade Roy for.


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    Roy Hibbert: Drafted by the Toronto Raptors in the 1st round (17th pick, 17th overall) of the 2008 NBA draft.

    Yeah, I can see why I made that mistake. My bad. /green



    Really? I can't see Hibbert getting anything more than six to eight million dollars a year under the current scale, which seems like the norm for backups (gortat, sheed, bass, splitter assuming he comes over or McDyess since they both will probably have a same style of contract). We'll also see what kind of money Darko will be signed to by the Timberwolves over this offseason.




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    I love Kevin Love.
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    I can only imagine what the deal is.

    I turn down anything that involes Granger or Roy. ANYTHING. Probably keep Hands too.

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    If we could get Love or Jefferson, I'll be all for moving Hibbert. My guess is that Minni is willing to move Jefferson is they get the right pieces back. They've already asked for Granger for Jefferson (we rejected)....so they are willing to move Jefferson...Word is that, Jefferson and Love dont get along well

    Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to move one of them. Love is a guy who averages 14/11 but comes off the bench. I would bet the farm that he wants to start. The Wolves offering us Jefferson for Danny shows they wouldn't have trouble moving Jefferson.

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    I don't even know what to think right now? No to #10 for Flynn, but offering Flynn, #16 and #23 for #10 package?

    What in the world would the package be? No way we include Granger right?

    Rush? Hibbert? Hansbrough?

    Does Minny have another move in mind w/ #4 and #10?

    I'm nervous all of a sudden
    I'm just playing catch up on all of this now that I'm home, but given that we've brought Orton back in and allegedly are interested in Whiteside, it makes me think Roy Hibbert.

    But then again, maybe not.

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    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...for_10th_pick/


    according to realgm.com..... we turned down Flynn, 16 & 23 pick for our 10. I hope Larry has something better...
    Since I'm late to the party, I hope someone else has already pointed this out, but that guy's got his facts wrong. Wells didn't say INDY turned something down, he said MINNY did.

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    If this deal goes down, I just hope we dont' draft Orton, that dude hasn't played any real basketball for 2 years now. Why would you want him? MG1070 said on air that he has terrible footwork, no post game, when he seen him during the workout

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    Thanks for merging them all together
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