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    Chad Ford's Mock Draft, Version 4.0
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    By Chad Ford
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    With all of the NBA draft camps behind us and teams in the midst of individual workouts, it's time to take another look at the first round.

    NBA teams have narrowed their draft lists but have plenty left to decide in the final couple of weeks before the draft.

    Here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, at how the draft will play out on June 24.


    Mock Draft 4.0
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    Washington


    John Wall

    Position: PG
    Height: 6-foot-4
    Weight: 196 pounds
    Age: 19
    School: Kentucky
    Analysis: While the Wizards continue to maintain publicly that they are looking at a number of options, at this point there's very little suspense. Numerous sources have told ESPN.com that the Wizards will take Wall with the No. 1 pick.

    The question now is, with whom will they surround Wall? Most likely Gilbert Arenas will be back to fill out the backcourt.

    The Wizards will have enough cash to make a serious run at a player like Rudy Gay or a true frontcourt player if they so desire, but they may decide to sit this summer free-agent period out, get another high draft pick next year and rebuild the team more slowly.


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    Philadelphia


    Evan Turner

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 214
    Age: 21
    School: Ohio State
    Analysis: After shaking things up last week and putting Derrick Favors here, I received a number of strong signals from inside the Sixers' organization that Turner is the guy they'll take at No. 2.

    While those signals certainly could be legit, I take them with a grain of salt. Turner is the most polished player in the draft, but I'm not sure he has the upside and he certainly doesn't have the size and athleticism of Favors.

    But because Turner is almost the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft, the Sixers want other teams trying to trade up for him (the Wolves and Pacers seem to be the hottest suitors) to believe they're taking him. If teams think he's slipping past Philly, they'll begin dealing with New Jersey instead.

    For now, we're putting Turner here. Whether the Sixers draft him or use this pick as a trade chip, it looks as though he has the inside track at going second.


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    New Jersey


    Derrick Favors

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 245
    Age: 18
    School: Georgia Tech
    Analysis: While New Jersey would be happy if Turner were to slide to No. 3, the Nets also have a high level of interest in Favors. Brook Lopez has been solid in the middle and Favors has the type of athleticism and upside to complement him nicely.

    Of course, the Nets are also targeting a number of veteran big men, including Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer this summer. With the amount of cap space they have, they have the luxury of drafting the best player available and can ignore need.

    The team also is high on Syracuse forward Wesley Johnson. I'm told he's in the mix at the No. 3 spot as well. But for now, Favors has the edge.



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    Minnesota


    Wesley Johnson

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 206
    Age: 22
    School: Syracuse
    Analysis: The Wolves are exploring possibilities of moving up in the draft. Evan Turner is their target and they have the assets (the 16th and 23rd picks) to make a deal with either Philly or New Jersey if either team is so inclined.

    If they keep the pick, Johnson seems like a terrific fit. He is long and athletic, rebounds from the 3 spot and can hit an open jumper. Some believe he's the next Shawn Marion.

    There's also been some thought that DeMarcus Cousins could go here. But given Cousins' lack of elite athleticism, he seems like a strange fit next to Al Jefferson and Kevin Love. GM David Kahn is exploring moving one of those two players, but at the moment I think Johnson has the edge on Cousins.


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    Sacramento


    Greg Monroe

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-11
    Weight: 247
    Age: 19
    School: Georgetown
    Analysis: Last year it took us until the day of the draft to nail this pick for the Kings and I have a feeling it's going that direction again this year.

    I don't have a good feel for which way the Kings are leaning. That's partly because the Kings play things close to the vest. It's also because there is no consensus player at No. 5. On talent, it's DeMarcus Cousins all the way if he's still available. But Cousins makes some teams wary, and I'm told the Kings are among those teams that, for the moment, are unsure.

    That leads us to Monroe. He has the talent and size to be a legit NBA center. He's the best passer in the draft and is offensively gifted. He takes games off on occasion and lacks a killer instinct, but the talent is there.

    The fact that a number of veteran NBA GMs have compared him to Vlade Divac shouldn't hurt.


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    Golden State


    DeMarcus Cousins

    Position: C
    Height: 6-11
    Weight: 292
    Age: 19
    School: Kentucky
    Analysis: I think the Warriors will do backflips if Cousins slips this far. Several NBA GMs have told me that based on Cousins' body of work, interviews and his measurements, they believe Cousins is as good as any other prospect in the draft, including John Wall.

    Cousins has been compared to everyone from Shaq to Zach Randolph, but here's an interesting historical comparison to ponder -- could he be the next Moses Malone?

    While the Warriors have Andris Biedrins in the middle, he's nothing like Cousins, who can come in and be a big-time scorer right away. Teaming Cousins with Stephen Curry and Anthony Randolph would give the Warriors a great foundation.


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    Detroit


    Al-Farouq Aminu

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-9
    Weight: 215
    Age: 19
    School: Wake Forest
    Analysis: Pistons president Joe Dumars has said he wants his team to regain the grit and toughness of past Pistons teams. But picking at No. 7 makes that a bit of a challenge. The Pistons are really high on both Cousins and Favors, but most likely they'll have to move up in the draft to get one of them. Regardless, the Pistons need a big man.

    So why do I have them taking Aminu, who's listed as a small forward in his draft card? Because the Pistons are among a handful of teams who think, given Aminu's length, that he can play the 4 in the NBA. He's going to need to get stronger, but he has a penchant for rebounding and runs the floor like a deer.

    It's a bit of a risky pick for Dumars, but he hasn't been afraid to swing for the fences in the past.


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    Los Angeles Clippers



    Gordon Hayward

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 211
    Age: 20
    School: Butler
    Analysis: The Clippers could go in a lot of different directions with this pick and I keep getting mixed signals.

    The latest tip to come out of Chicago pointed in the direction of Hayward. He's one of the most versatile guys in the draft, and while he struggled a bit this season, he can really knock down shots. Given that the team plans to feature Blake Griffin next season, that's a big deal.

    With the loss of Marcus Camby, Ekpe Udoh is also a real possibility here, as is Xavier Henry.


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    Utah
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    Luke Babbitt

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-9
    Weight: 214
    Age: 20
    School: Nevada
    Analysis: On Friday, the Jazz brought in Greg Monroe for a solo workout. That was followed up, on Sunday, with a big workout featuring Aminu, Hayward, Babbitt and Xavier Henry.

    Monroe would fit a need if Carlos Boozer were to leave this summer. Henry, Babbitt, Hayward and Aminu could all fill a void left by Kyle Korver hitting free agency.

    From the sound of things, Monroe is still atop the Jazz's list, but in this scenario he's off the board before the Jazz pick. It seems as though Babbitt is strongly in the running, too. The Jazz have been higher on Babbitt than most all year. The rest of the league is playing catch-up to what Utah was saying in January.


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    Indiana


    Ed Davis

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 227
    Age: 20
    School: North Carolina
    Analysis: The Pacers, like the Jazz, have already had in many of the top prospects they're considering. On Tuesday of last week, they brought in Daniel Orton, Ekpe Udoh and Hassan Whiteside. The next day, they watched Avery Bradley and Eric Bledsoe go head-to-head.

    Orton, Udoh, Whiteside, Bradley and Bledsoe are all part of Plan B, however. If the Pacers can get fortunate enough to see Davis or Monroe to slip, they're in a much better place. While Davis is very raw, he's got the size, athleticism and shot-blocking ability that the team has been craving for years.

    The Pacers are looking to shore up their team via trades and have a some assets, including the expiring contracts of both Troy Murphy and T.J. Ford -- so they are free to go with the best talent available.


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    New Orleans


    Cole Aldrich

    Position: C
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 236
    Age: 21
    School: Kansas
    Analysis: The Hornets have a new head coach and job No. 1 is now turning toward filling a pretty large hole in the middle. The Hornets have Emeka Okafor and not much else.

    Their choices here are Aldrich, Daniel Orton and Hassan Whiteside. While Orton and Whiteside have more upside, Aldrich is, by far, the most NBA-ready of the group and could become a Joel Przybilla-like player in the middle.

    Considering that Aldrich could go as high as No. 5, he's a bargain at No. 11.


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    Memphis


    Paul George

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-9
    Weight: 214
    Age: 20
    School: Fresno State
    Analysis: The Grizzlies have had their sights set on Luke Babbitt for weeks and he could fall here. However, if he's off the board, expect them to look at the next best available wing.

    With Rudy Gay headed toward restricted free agency, it's a place where they could be vulnerable. George, Xavier Henry and Damion James all have a shot here. As does Kentucky's Patrick Patterson.

    However, of the group George has the game that most resembles Gay and he'd come at a tenth of the price if the Grizzlies decide not to match an offer for Gay this summer.


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    Toronto


    Avery Bradley

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-3
    Weight: 180
    Age: 19
    School: Texas
    Analysis: The Raptors could go a number of different directions here. With Chris Bosh likely out the door, Hedo Turkoglu pining for a trade and the team shopping Jose Calderon -- you can expect the Raptors to look radically different next summer.

    Finding a center is atop GM Bryan Colangelo's list. If Bosh leaves he'd like to move Andrea Bargnani to the 4. But of the top big men left on the board -- Orton, Whiteside and Alabi -- none of them is close to being ready.

    That may shift the Raptors' focus to the backcourt. Assuming they can move Calderon this summer, they'll have a need at the point and Bradley, who can play both backcourt positions, is the type of athletic, explosive athlete they're looking for.


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    Houston


    Ekpe Udoh

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 237
    Age: 22
    School: Baylor
    Analysis: Udoh is the type of long, shot-blocking forward who should find a comfortable home in Houston. While he's a bit older than the rest of the class and doesn't have elite athleticism, he's still improving -- one of the few older players in the draft with any real upside left. Patrick Patterson and Hassan Whiteside are other possibilities here.


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    Milwaukee
    (via Chicago)


    Xavier Henry

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 210
    Age: 19
    School: Kansas
    Analysis: The Bucks have a big need at the wing position. With Michael Redd coming back from injury and nearing the end of his career and John Salmons looking to opt out of his contract, it's time to shore up that position.

    Of the players left on the board, Henry looks to be, by far, the best value. He's being looked at as high as No. 6 by the Warriors, No. 8 by the Clippers, No. 9 by the Jazz and No. 10 by the Pacers.

    If he slides past all four, he'd be a great addition in Milwaukee. The Bucks need his 3-point shooting.


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    Minnesota
    (via Charlotte)


    Hassan Whiteside

    Position: C
    Height: 7-0
    Weight: 227
    Age: 20
    School: Marshall
    Analysis: The Wolves have been eyeing Paul George for a while, but if he's gone here, they could roll the dice on Whiteside. Minnesota doesn't have much in the middle.

    The Wolves will likely re-sign Darko Milicic this summer, but it's still unclear whether he's the long-term answer. Darko played well in his brief stint in Minnesota, but will he continue to play well once he gets a multiyear deal?

    Whiteside's one of those players who will be either boon or bust. He has the athletic gifts and size to be a star. But he's going to need a lot of work on and off the court to reach his potential. If a team has patience (and the Wolves should) he'd be a great risk at this point in the draft.


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    Chicago
    (via Milwaukee)


    James Anderson

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-6
    Weight: 210
    Age: 21
    School: Oklahoma State
    Analysis: Anderson was one of the best scorers in college basketball and could be a very good fit in the Bulls' backcourt. His ability to stretch the defense and attack the basket would make him a nice complement to Derrick Rose.

    Even if the team ends up landing LeBron James or Dwyane Wade, look for Anderson to be the guy. As far as NBA-ready players go, there are few better in this draft. I'd expect him to play the same sort of role James Harden did in OKC last season.


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    Miami


    Eric Bledsoe

    Position: PG
    Height: 6-2
    Weight: 192
    Age: 20
    School: Kentucky
    Analysis: Bledsoe is a tough, Pat Riley type of player and could be a long-term upgrade from the Mario Chalmers-Carlos Arroyo duo at point guard.

    Bledsoe was one of the players who really helped himself at the draft combine. Playing outside of John Wall's shadow, he often looked like the best guard on the floor. Physically, he's ready for the NBA right now. But he still needs more experience running the point. In the long term, Bledsoe could pay off.



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    Boston


    Solomon Alabi

    Position: C
    Height: 7-1
    Weight: 237
    Age: 22
    School: Florida State
    Analysis: Alabi may seem like a bit of a reach to some, but I was impressed with the feedback I received from NBA scouts and GMs after the combine. Not only did he measure as the biggest player in the draft, but he showed a nice skills game and a terrific motor in the drills.

    Some scouts are comparing him to Dikembe Mutombo. I don't think Alabi has the same sort of rebounding and shot-blocking ability, but he does have a similar demeanor and presence on the court.


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    San Antonio


    Damion James

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 227
    Age: 22
    School: Texas
    Analysis: James is one of the more underrated players in the draft. Very few players have his combination of athleticism and motor.

    He doesn't have a position on offense, but he can defend multiple positions on the floor. He would be able to step in right away with the Spurs' veterans and provide meaningful minutes.


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    Oklahoma City


    Daniel Orton

    Position: C
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 269
    Age: 19
    School: Kentucky
    Analysis: Orton is a bit of an enigma. His 3 ppg and 3 rpg as a freshman at Kentucky certainly don't wow you. But he's got the raw tools to be a successful big man in the pros.

    The Thunder were among the teams that were on him early and they might just get lucky and get him here. While Orton is in the discussion starting at the 10th pick, concerns about his knees and his relative lack of playing time over the course of the past two years are weighing on teams.

    He could easily end up in the lottery, but I doubt he slips further than this.


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    Portland


    Patrick Patterson

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-8
    Weight: 245
    Age: 21
    School: Kentucky
    Analysis: Patterson would be a steal for the Blazers if he slips this low. While Patterson does little to wow you, he's the type of unselfish, productive big man who would fit in well with the team that Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard has put together.

    He measured well in Chicago and was apparently one of the best interviewees there, so he could find himself moving back up into the late lottery. But I'm still struggling to find him a home.


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    Minnesota
    (via Utah)


    Kevin Seraphin

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 258
    Age: 20
    Country: France
    Analysis: With their third pick of this draft, you can expect the Wolves to stash a player overseas. Seraphin hasn't really produced big numbers in France, but he has Serge Ibaka-like physical upside.


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    Atlanta


    Lance Stephenson

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-6
    Weight: 227
    Age: 19
    School: Cincinnati
    Analysis: The Hawks aren't known for really swinging for the fences. But they just might try with Stephenson. With Joe Johnson looking as though he may bolt this summer, the team is going to need another wing and Stephenson has as much talent as anyone left on the board.

    He has an NBA body, can play the iso game and has a high basketball IQ. His lack of a 3-point jump shot could be a concern for the Hawks, but at this point I think you have to take the best player available.


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    Memphis
    (via Denver)


    Elliot Williams

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 180
    Age: 20
    School: Memphis
    Analysis: The Grizzlies have yet to fall in love with Mike Conley. He's been solid, but they continue to search for alternatives.

    Williams is an explosive, Jason Terry-like combo guard who could give the Grizzlies a boost off the bench. The fact that he's a local product certainly wouldn't hurt.


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    Oklahoma City
    (via Phoenix)


    Craig Brackins

    Position: PF
    Height: 6-10
    Weight: 229
    Age: 22
    School: Iowa State
    Analysis: Brackins would be a good pick for the Thunder. He's a high-character guy who can score inside and outside and will play hard. Right now, Nenad Krstic is the only guy who can really get it done in the post. Brackins could be a nice long-term fit.


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    New Jersey
    (via Dallas)


    Terrico White

    Position: SG
    Height: 6-5
    Weight: 203
    Age: 20
    School: Mississippi
    Analysis: White is an elite athlete who, when he's on, is one of the best guards in the country. The problem is he has a tendency to disappear in games. If the Nets can get him to play with some consistency, he would be a steal here.


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    Memphis
    (via L.A. Lakers)


    Larry Sanders

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-11
    Weight: 222
    Age: 21
    School: Va. Commonwealth
    Analysis: If the Grizzlies go with a wing and combo guard with their first two picks, they can swing for the fences with Sanders. With a freakish wingspan and terrific athleticism, Sanders could add a different look to the Grizzlies front court.

    Both Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph are big bodies, but neither player can run the floor and do the things Sanders can do.


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    Orlando


    Armon Johnson

    Position: PG
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 195
    Age: 21
    School: Nevada
    Analysis: It was pretty clear in the playoffs that the Magic could use some more help in their backcourt and from the sound of things, Johnson has been impressing in workouts.

    He's a great athlete who can break down the defense and get to the basket. He's not a great shooter, but the Magic are already loaded with guys who can stretch the floor.


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    Washington
    (via Cleveland)


    Quincy Pondexter

    Position: SF
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 220
    Age: 22
    School: Washington
    Analysis: Pondexter is coming off a great senior season and is one of the best athletes in the draft. With the Wizards trying to rebuild with young players who can get up and down the floor, Pondexter seems like a good bet here.


    Next Five In: Jordan Crawford, G, Xavier; Willie Warren, G, Oklahoma; Devin Ebanks, F, West Virginia; Stanley Robinson, F, UConn; Dominique Jones, G, South Florida

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    ...But because Turner is almost the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft, the Sixers want other teams trying to trade up for him (the Wolves and Pacers seem to be the hottest suitors) to believe they're taking him.
    That's the second time he's mentioned this. I for one really hope it's true (depending on how much we have to give up).

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    I wish Brackins would slip into the 2nd round. He's going to be a good player. I would love it if we coulld get another late 1st round pick
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    That's the second time he's mentioned this. I for one really hope it's true (depending on how much we have to give up).
    It would be great to get Turner wouldn't it? I did not advocate the team throwing games for the sake of a draft pick, but I can't help but think we would have had a great shot at drafting him without giving up a thing.
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    That's the second time he's mentioned this. I for one really hope it's true (depending on how much we have to give up).
    I could be wrong, but it looks like Ford pretty much "re-hashed" a lot of what he had said in the 3.0 Mock Draft ( hence his mention of the Pacers being interested again in the #2 ) and updated some spots here and there.

    I read his comment more as "I said it before in my previous Mock Draft, will say it again in this Mock Draft, but I don't have anything to really add to the rumor that the Pacers called up about the #2 pick" as opposed to some new rumor involving the Pacers and the Sixers.
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    Could someone clarify for me whether the Pacers have actually scheduled a workout with Ed Davis?

    I don't recall seeing any info on him coming to Indy for any workouts. If that is the case, I don't get why the Pacers are the only Team ( in all the Mock Drafts that I have seen ) that is interested in him...especially if he hasn't worked out for the Pacers yet.

    Can someone confirm this for me?
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    I could be wrong, but it looks like Ford pretty much "re-hashed" a lot of what he had said in the 3.0 Mock Draft...
    That's what I thought when I read it... I thought someon mistakenly posted the 3rd one as the new one.

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    Imagine how all those IU fans would react if we traded back and picked up Patterson AND Bledsoe?

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    I always hate seeing mock drafts that don't have a 2nd round.

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    Default Re: Chad Ford's Mock 4.0 6/9/10

    I wonder what we would have to give up to get the #2 pick?

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    Could someone clarify for me whether the Pacers have actually scheduled a workout with Ed Davis?

    I don't recall seeing any info on him coming to Indy for any workouts. If that is the case, I don't get why the Pacers are the only Team ( in all the Mock Drafts that I have seen ) that is interested in him...especially if he hasn't worked out for the Pacers yet.

    Can someone confirm this for me?
    I think its nothing more than reshuffling the players after he put Hayward 8th.

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    If Ed Davis doesn't workout for the Pacers, then he's not getting drafted at #10. Ford needs to do his homework that Bird doesn't draft (and keep) guys that haven't worked out for the Pacers. Ask Bayless

    We've had 3 groups of 6 in so far and we're 2 weeks away from the draft.

    We can assume they'll be a group in with Hayward on the 21st

    I also saw on Hoopshype I believe that Robert Glenn of IUPUI will be in on the 16th, so I'm guessing we'll have a group in then as well.

    Are we in New Jersey right now with the group workouts?

    And is it just me, or have the Pacers really not worked out anyone in the #10 range? Udoh is probably the closest thing. Bradley, Bledsoe, Orton, Whiteside are probably considered reaches at #10 to some extent.

    I'm interested to see who works out in the coming weeks b/c like I mentioned earlier, Bird doesn't draft and keep anyone who hasn't had an individual workout with us?

    So far no, Patterson, Monroe, Aldrich, Davis, Henry, George (might be a reach). I know Monroe probably won't drop that far.

    We really haven't had many 2nd round prospects in as well. Crawford, Collins, Stephenson, Torrance, Landesberg, maybe Lawal?

    I expect a couple solid more groups to come in, that or we're simply targeting mid-late 1st and early 2nd round players b/c of other moves we're going to make

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    I wonder what we would have to give up to get the #2 pick?
    Well rumor has it that we would have to take on Brand's contract too. That's about 15 million dollars.

    Now I would assume we would be looking to move Brandon Rush in this trade. Bird has already tried to trade Rush before, and Turner plays the same position. So that's about 2 million dollars. I would also assume that we'd like to move Troy Murphy, as his contract is expiring after this year. That's 11 million dollars, bringing us to a total of 13 million dollars. So now we're looking at 2 million more dollars - players that fit that criteria are Hibbert, Hansbrough, Solomon Jones, and D. Jones. Obviously the Pacers won't trade Hibbert or Hansbrough. So overall we are looking at:

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    Brandon Rush
    D. Jones or S. Jones

    76ers trade:
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    The Pacers may also have to throw in a 2nd rounder too.

    An interesting possibility is drafting Turner to play PG. I don't know how well he would do as a PG in the NBA, but he obviously can play the position.

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    Imagine how all those IU fans would react if we traded back and picked up Patterson AND Bledsoe?
    I don't want anything to do with Patterson, but I am very much on the Bledsoe bandwagon. You will never meet anyone who hates the University of Kentucky more than I do, but I'd be tickled with Wall, Cousins, or Bledsoe on the Pacers. Orton and Patterson...not so much. Basically, I don't care where they went to school, and I don't think many others do either.

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    Well rumor has it that we would have to take on Brand's contract too. That's about 15 million dollars.

    Now I would assume we would be looking to move Brandon Rush in this trade. Bird has already tried to trade Rush before, and Turner plays the same position. So that's about 2 million dollars. I would also assume that we'd like to move Troy Murphy, as his contract is expiring after this year. That's 11 million dollars, bringing us to a total of 13 million dollars. So now we're looking at 2 million more dollars - players that fit that criteria are Hibbert, Hansbrough, Solomon Jones, and D. Jones. Obviously the Pacers won't trade Hibbert or Hansbrough. So overall we are looking at:

    Pacers trade:
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    Troy Murphy
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    D. Jones or S. Jones

    76ers trade:
    2010 First Round Pick (#2)
    Elton Brand

    The Pacers may also have to throw in a 2nd rounder too.

    An interesting possibility is drafting Turner to play PG. I don't know how well he would do as a PG in the NBA, but he obviously can play the position.
    I would do that without hesitation.

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    I don't want anything to do with Patterson, but I am very much on the Bledsoe bandwagon. You will never meet anyone who hates the University of Kentucky more than I do, but I'd be tickled with Wall, Cousins, or Bledsoe on the Pacers. Orton and Patterson...not so much. Basically, I don't care where they went to school, and I don't think many others do either.
    I was intrigued by Bledsoe too... until I heard that interview with him. WTF ya know? I know it is bad to judge a guys capacity for intellect off of one conversation, but GD... he was either high as a kite or as dumb as rocks. Either is bad news.

    Look, anyone who will be considered a "floor general" should be able to carry on an intelligible conversation, let alone a sentence. You really gotta wonder how the guy made it through mid terms and finals... I'm thinking Calipari paid off a few profs.
    Really, so much of college sports appears to be such a sham it absolutely disgusts me. All David Stern did with the NBA rule change is add more corruption to an already shady business.

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    I was intrigued by Bledsoe too... until I heard that interview with him. WTF ya know? I know it is bad to judge a guys capacity for intellect off of one conversation, but GD... he was either high as a kite or as dumb as rocks. Either is bad news.

    Look, anyone who will be considered a "floor general" should be able to carry on an intelligible conversation, let alone a sentence. You really gotta wonder how the guy made it through mid terms and finals... I'm thinking Calipari paid off a few profs.
    Really, so much of college sports appears to be such a sham it absolutely disgusts me. All David Stern did with the NBA rule change is add more corruption to an already shady business.
    Yeah...he does appear to be dumber than a box of rocks, but Derrick Rose isn't the smartest guy on the planet either. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying that the NBA is full of, um, morons. I am okay with him as long as he has a decent basketball IQ, which he seems to have.

    PS: Calipari is scum.

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    I don't want anything to do with Patterson, but I am very much on the Bledsoe bandwagon. You will never meet anyone who hates the University of Kentucky more than I do, but I'd be tickled with Wall, Cousins, or Bledsoe on the Pacers. Orton and Patterson...not so much. Basically, I don't care where they went to school, and I don't think many others do either.
    I ABHOR that one elementary school (at best) in the center of Ohio. I am not even sure they have a library. They play in the Big Ten (now Big 10 plus one plus two and probably plus four more eventually) unfortunately, but I wouldn't hate it if we drafted Evan Turner just because of my disdain for everything that has to do with that school.

    I am all for Bledsoe, still. If he is a gamble, it is a good instance to take that chance. He is super atheltic which would help our team. He has shown the ability to adapt and improve his game. He is a team-first player from what I understand. He didn't play PG, but he is young and could definitely fill our gaping vacancy at PG for years to come if he pans out. If he doesn't pan out, well thats just our luck. His upside is NBA All-Star PG with his athleticism, willingness to improve, and general feel for the game IMO. He has a lot of work to do don't get me wrong, but this is more of the type of risk that I comfortable with in this draft than drafting a Whiteside kind of player.

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    Well rumor has it that we would have to take on Brand's contract too. That's about 15 million dollars.

    Now I would assume we would be looking to move Brandon Rush in this trade. Bird has already tried to trade Rush before, and Turner plays the same position. So that's about 2 million dollars. I would also assume that we'd like to move Troy Murphy, as his contract is expiring after this year. That's 11 million dollars, bringing us to a total of 13 million dollars. So now we're looking at 2 million more dollars - players that fit that criteria are Hibbert, Hansbrough, Solomon Jones, and D. Jones. Obviously the Pacers won't trade Hibbert or Hansbrough. So overall we are looking at:

    Pacers trade:
    2010 First Round Pick (#10)
    Troy Murphy
    Brandon Rush
    D. Jones or S. Jones

    76ers trade:
    2010 First Round Pick (#2)
    Elton Brand

    The Pacers may also have to throw in a 2nd rounder too.

    An interesting possibility is drafting Turner to play PG. I don't know how well he would do as a PG in the NBA, but he obviously can play the position.
    Thanks. Ironic enough, I would do that trade. As much as I like Rush, Turner would easily replace him, and we can always pray that Elton Brand can return to descent form to backup Hansbrough. Personally, I would give them S. Jones. We need D. Jones to backup the SG/SF depending matchups.

    We wouldn't address our PG problem, but there's enough talent on the floor to mask that problem.

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    [QUOTE=cdash;1006924]Yeah...he does appear to be dumber than a box of rocks, but Derrick Rose isn't the smartest guy on the planet either. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying that the NBA is full of, um, morons. I am okay with him as long as he has a decent basketball IQ, which he seems to have. /QUOTE]


    Exactly how smart do you think Bird came across coming out of ISU with a PE degree? IIRC, in order to Bird to have a better image for doing ads & PR, Bird had to be polished and finished to speak properly by professionals. I'd say Bird has a pretty good on court BB IQ, so I don't put a large amount of stock in Bledsoe's interview.

    I've known high IQ people who didn't have enough common sense to poor pee out of a boot, nor could interact socially with people, but was outstanding in their field of endeavor.

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    Well rumor has it that we would have to take on Brand's contract too. That's about $15 to 17.9 million dollars per season over the next 3 seasons totaling a guaranteed $49 mil owed.
    Fixed. Even for Turner, I'd be gun-shy about taking on Brand's long-term contract....a guaranteed $49 mil contract isn't something easy to swallow.
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    It's encouraging to read that we're trying to get that pick from Philly. While I'm doubtful that any deal's going to happen, there seems to be a sliver of hope.

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    Fixed. Even for Turner, I'd be gun-shy about taking on Brand's long-term contract....a guaranteed $49 mil contract isn't something easy to swallow.
    I'd still pull the trigger, but if I'm taking on that behemoth of a contract then I'm not giving up the 10th pick as well. Maybe a second rounder though.
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