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  • Re: Drafting Game

    I have a PM from Dipperdunk requesting Andrew Toney, so be it.

    Pig Nash, back to you sir.

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      Jose and I have discussed this and hammered out all the details. Now that some of us are finishing up the drafting process, I wanted to float how the rest of this game is going to finish out.
      [*]After the draft is complete, go to WhatIf Sports and make your team. You should name your team the same as your PDigest Screen name. the pools will be organized by salary to keep the talent even in both pools.
      [*]The names will be plugged into a schedule that I have on paper sitting in front of me. Everyday, every team will play two games. One set of games at 4:30pm and the second set at 7pm Indiana time, so everyone has a chance to change their starters before games.
      [*]At the end of Pool play, an MVP will be announced. The MVP will be determined by who has received the most player of the game recognitions. If their is a tie for the MVP, it will go to the player whose team has the best record.
      [*]The top 4 teams in each pool will make a best of seven, 3 round play-off. All ties will be broken by a 3 game series to insure that the teams that were tied and didn't make it, get a fair shake.
      [*]In the Play-offs, every team will play 4 times a day. Game times (TBD)! This will extend any series that will be more then a sweep to the next day, but not drag them out longer then the next day to build a bit of drama. The next round will not start until the previous round is complete.
      [*]The Finals MVP will be decided the same as the pool play MVP.

      I'd imagine the simulations will take about 7-12 days to complete.
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      ...Still "flying casual"
      @roaminggnome74

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        Are the games going to be run by the independent accounting firm of PriceWaterhouseCoopers?
        PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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          Rich Kelley 1978-79. Thanks Joel.
          Play Mafia!
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            Originally posted by MagicRat
            Are the games going to be run by the independent accounting firm of PriceWaterhouseCoopers?
            We have hiring former Enron employees to moniter the games.

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              I made my team on WhatIf. Unfortunately the I in PIg Nash is capitalized so we'll half to remember that.
              Play Mafia!
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                Originally posted by Pig
                Rich Kelley 1978-79. Thanks Joel.
                No problem. That was a great year by a guy noone remembers. Figured he deserved to be drafted.

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                • Re: Drafting Game

                  ROUND 10

                  Pick 117. Hoop - Calvin Murphy 75-76

                  "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                    Originally posted by MagicRat
                    Are the games going to be run by the independent accounting firm of PriceWaterhouseCoopers?
                    Nope...More like
                    Dewey Cheatem & Howe :devillaugh:
                    ...Still "flying casual"
                    @roaminggnome74

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                      Hicks and his lovely avatar are up.

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                        I created a team, tried to name it just Hoop but it changes it to 2002-03 Hoop
                        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                          Gnome, Toney is 1983-1984

                          Jose thanks for making the pick for me.

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                          • Re: The Drafting Game Selection Thread

                            I will add the new totals as we go... The new totals will have a round number after them to designate which round that total is for.

                            Player names in red are considered on waivers...just waiting for a new home. :freaked:

                            Roaming Gnome---- $79,102,842 rd. 9
                            C --- Shaquille O'Neal 93-94 $14,913,277 - Dikembe Mutombo 94-95 $6,816,370
                            F --- Jerry Lucas 64-65 $8,071,443 - Karl Malone 89-90 $11,790,341 - Dennis Rodman 91-92 $7,376,367 - Cedric Maxwell 78-79 $9,038,058
                            G ---Tim Hardaway 90-91 $7,817,339 - Jeff Hornacek 91-92 $7,293,020 - Don Buse 75-76 $5,986,627

                            Burnzone-----$82,182,317 Rd. 9
                            C --- Wilt Chamberline 61-62 $23,116,950 - George Mikan 51-52 $4,036,715
                            F ---Alex English 81-82 $9,914,730 - Marvin Barnes 74-75 $7,852,186
                            G --- Pete Maravich 76-77 $5,981,635- John Havlicek 70-71 $9,453,975 - Dave Bing 67-68 $6,335,312 - Gail Goodrich 68-69 $4,844,664 - Lenny Wilkens 68-69 $6,830,679

                            Louisville Lip----$77,897,796 rd. 9
                            C--- Bill Walton 76-77 $6,585,961 - Caldwell Jones 74-75 $6,828,064
                            F --- Dan Issel 70-71 $9,594,962 - Connie Hawkins 67-68 $13,363,553 -Jack Twyman 59-60 $6,338,995 - John Brisker 70-71 $6,966,309
                            G --- Oscar Robertson 61-62 $13,061,528 - Sleepy Floyd 86-87 $7,115,982 - Anfernee Hardaway 95-96 $8,042,442

                            Sycamore Ken-----$97,655,871 rd. 9
                            C --- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 71-72 $19,513,116
                            F --- Charles Barkley 87-88 $13,815,178- Kevin McHale 86-87 $12,460,505 - Roger Brown 69-70 $8,476,170 - Larry Johnson 92-93 $8,746,836
                            G ---Jimmy Jones 68-69 $11,810,879 - Dale Ellis 88-89 $7,720,463 - Byron Scott 87-88 $7,444,813 - Dana Barros 94-95 $7,667,911

                            Jose Slaughter-----$72,004,879 rd. 9
                            C --- Zelmo Beaty $10,605,408- Mel Daniels $8,422,259
                            F --- Rick Berry 68-69 $5,585,264 - Kiki Vandeweghe 83-84 $9,285,219 Otis Thorpe 91-92 $8,084,133
                            G --- Magic Johnson 88-89 $9,356,604 - Tracy McGrady $8,195,328 - Mark Price 88-89 $6,828,518 - Drazen Petrovich 92-93 $5,642,146

                            Joel------$69,255,560 rd. 9
                            C --- Dave Cowens 72-73 $6,491,886 - Wes Unseld 69-70 $8,031,750
                            F --- Larry Bird 84-85 $11,209,940- Chris Webber 00-01 $7,217,832 - Bailey Howell 60-61 $7,183,844 - Terry Dischinger 62-63 $6,280,068
                            G --- Fat Lever 88-89 $6,213,231- George Gervin 79-80 $9,632,000 - Lou Hudson 72-73 $6,995,009

                            I love the Pacers-----$93,382,931 Rd. 9
                            C --- Artis Gilmore 71-72 $15,230,963 - Jeff Ruland 83-84 $9,491,125
                            F --- Adrian Dantley 81-82 $12,625,875 - Rudy Tomjanovich 73-74 $9,246,471 - Elton Brand 01-02 $7,951,980
                            G --- Michael Jordan 87-88 $14,218,797- David Thompson 77-78 $8,562,051 - Maurice Cheeks 85-86 $8,218,419 - Norm Nixon 78-79 $7,837,250


                            MSA2CF-----$71,891,420Done!
                            C --- David Robinson 93-94 $11,575,369 - Brad Daugherty 91-92 $8,293,739
                            F --- Spencer Haywood 69-70 $13,847,914 - Clark Kellogg 82-83 $5,413,484 - Ron Artest 03-04 $3,369,097 - Horace Grant 91-92 $8,130,139
                            G --- Mark Jackson 87-88 4,890,693 - Michael Ray Richardson 79-80 $5,914,268 - Jerry Sloan 70-71 $4,595,970 - Alvin Robertson 87-88 $5,860,747

                            Able-----$67,499,231 Rd. 9
                            C --- Hakeem Olajuwon 92-93 $11,125,244 - Rik Smits 89-90 $4,320,324
                            F --- Bob Pettit 61-62 $9,488,399 - Elvin Hayes 69-70 $8,946,688 - Jermaine O'neal 02-03 $5,699,815 - Marques Johnson 78-79
                            $8,842,385
                            G --- Jason Kidd 98-99 $6,495,516 - Allen Iverson 02-03 $5,970,524 Vince Carter 00-01 $6,610,336

                            Skipper Z-----$77,150,977Done!
                            C --- Bob Lanier 73-74 $8,807,372 - Alonzo Mourning 99-00 $7,582,626
                            F --- Kevin Garnett 03-04 $9,686,981 - Scottie Pippen 94-95 $6,917,158 - Glen Rice 96-97 $7,073,942 - Larry Nance 91-92 $7,530,445
                            G --- Kobe Bryant 02-03 $8,267,318- John Stockton 91-92 $7,249,451 - Ray Allen 00-01 $6,807,327 - Bill Melchioni 71-72 $7,228,357

                            Hicks-----$70,740,988 Done!
                            C --- Walt Bellamy 61-62 $12,972,587-
                            Maurice Stokes 57-58 $3,130,620
                            F --- George McGinnis 74-75 $8,351,353 - Dolph Schayes 57-58 $6,007,205 - Leonard 'Truck' Robinson 77-78 $6,049,147 - Willie Wise 71-72 $8,105,082
                            G --- Gary Payton 99-00 $7,624,493 - Charlie Scott 71-72 $7,022,792 - Kevin Porter 78-79 $5,797,265 - Hal Greer 63-64 $5,680,444


                            Hoop-----$73,280,963 DONE!
                            C --- Nate Thurmond 67-68 $4,720,296 - Robert Parish 88-89 $8,447,710
                            F --- Elgin Baylor 60-61 $9,362,540 - Grant Hill 96-97 $8,001,161 - Billy Knight 75-76 $7,122,946 - Buck Williams 86-87 $7,300,318
                            G --- Kevin Johnson 88-89 $8,520,038- Clyde Drexler 88-89 $9,139,542 - Micheal Adams 90-91 $4,440,302 - Calvin Murphy 75-76 $6,226,110

                            Pig Nash-----$76,677,171 DONE!
                            C --- Bob McAdoo 74-75 $13,109,260 - Rich Kelly 78-79 $5,875,630
                            F --- Dominique Wilkins 85-86 $7,545,437 - Mark Aguirre 83-84 $8,302,113 - Terry Cummings 82-83 $6,919,465 - Ralph Sampson 83-84 $6,168,988
                            G --- Isiah Thomas 84-85 $7,340,858- Walt Frazier 71-72 $8,433,820 - World B. Free 79-80 $6,325,538 - Micheal Finley 99-00 $6,656,062

                            Dipperdunk-----$77,398,808 DONE!
                            C --- Moses Malone 81-82 $12,303,838 - Willis Reed 69-70 $8,443,458
                            F --- Julius Erving 72-73 $9,732,814- Tim Duncan 01-02 $10,096,335 - James Worthy 89-90 $7,669,968 - Bobby Jones 75-76 $7,900,990
                            G --- Bob Cousey 56-57 $3,241,400 - Sidney Moncrief 82-83 $7,100,092 - Earl Monroe 67-68 $6,018,318 - Andrew Toney 83-84 $4,891,595

                            Magic Rat-----$73,283,065 DONE!
                            C --- Patrick Ewing 89-90 $11,667,517 - Sam Lacey 74-75 $4,665,219
                            F --- Bernard King 84-85 $6,699,700 - Shawn Kemp 95-96 $6,890,464 - Chris Mullin 90-91 $10,403,824 - Ben Wallace 01-02 $5,911,622
                            G --- Jerry West 69-70 $10,010,760- Reggie Miller 89-90 $8,226,718 - Terry Porter 87-88 $6,846,089 - Bobby "Slick" Leonard 61-62 $1,961,152

                            Rim Bender------$75,853,905 DONE!
                            C --- Bill Russell 61-62 $9,659,291 - Neil Johnston 54-55 $6,198,778
                            F --- Dirk Nowitzki 02-03 $7,319,581 - Billy Cunningham 69-70 $8,260,257 - Paul Pierce 00-01 $5,966,382 - Sidney Wicks 74-75 $7,037,736
                            G --- Nate "Tiny" Archibald 72-73 $12,337,789- Richie Guerin 61-62 $7,990,573 - Mugsey Bogues 93-94 $4,348,672 - Otis Birdsong 80-81 $6,734,846




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                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                              Originally posted by Hoop
                              I created a team, tried to name it just Hoop but it changes it to 2002-03 Hoop

                              Thats Fine...All Teams are named with 02-03 for some reason.
                              ...Still "flying casual"
                              @roaminggnome74

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                                Willie Wise 71-72

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