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    Default 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

    EDIT; Since we don't have a thread about rumors I'm changing the name of this thread to 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors.


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    Trade Winds starting to Swirl
    JUN 7, 10:45

    By Chad Ford
    Doing mock drafts this far ahead of the draft is always a challenge. Teams are still working out players, gathering info and for the most part, still a few weeks away from making a decision on who they'll draft. To complicate things, there has been an abundance of trade talk surrounding draft picks this year.

    Per sources in the league, the Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, Toronto Raptors, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder have all had discussions about moving up, down or out of the draft.

    The Pistons, Spurs and Thunder have been the most aggressive about moving up.

    The Pistons have been searching for a big and would love to get their hands on either DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors. The Spurs and Thunder are also in the hunt for a big and have targeted a number of teams in the lottery to move up a few spots. The Thunder have multiple picks to offer. The Spurs have Tony Parker or George Hill. While the Spurs aren't necessarily shopping either player, they're not untouchable either. If the Spurs can get another big man to help prolong Tim Duncan's career, they'll do it.


    Tony Parker may not saddle up for the Spurs next season.
    The Wolves continue to look in all directions. They have interest in moving up to the No. 2 spot to grab Evan Turner and have also shown interest in perhaps trading one or two of their first-round picks for a player like Anthony Randolph.

    The Pacers and Raptors are in the same boat as the Wolves. They would like to move up in the draft and have inquired about the Sixers' and Nets' picks. They also wouldn't mind moving out of the draft if they got the right pieces in return.

    A new twist with Turner
    I may have jumped the gun a bit when I put Favors at No. 2 in my latest mock draft. As I wrote last week, I had sources disagreeing on which direction the Sixers were leaning. Some suggested Favors, others Turner and one said Cousins. However, I decided to lean toward a source who said they had direct knowledge of Doug Collins' thinking and that Collins liked Favors.

    Since the mock draft I've gotten a number of strong signals from inside the Sixers organization that Turner is the guy they'll take at No. 2.

    While the signals certainly could be legit, I take some of those indications with a grain of salt. Since Turner is the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft, the Sixers want other teams trying to trade up for him (the Wolves and Pacers seem to be the hottest suitors) to believe that they're taking him. If teams think he's slipping, they'll begin dealing with New Jersey instead.

    For what it's worth, the Sixers are still asking teams to take basck Elton Brand's contract in a deal for the No. 2 pick. But virtually every GM I've spoken with believes the Sixers would soften their stance as we get closer to the draft.

    The Sixers are also exploring other trade possibilities. The team had Andre Iguodala on the trade block in February and may look to put him back on the market this summer. If Iguodala goes, suddenly Turner looks like a better fit in Philly.

    The Jazz and the Monroe Doctrine
    The Utah Jazz historically don't do a lot of workouts, often targeting a few players in their draft range and then selecting from that group. But when they do workouts, they do them right. Over the past few days they've examined some of the best prospects in the draft.

    Monroe's workout in Utah was a one-man show.
    On Friday they brought in Georgetown big man Greg Monroe for a solo workout. Monroe's agent, David Falk, will only let Monroe work out against Cousins or Favors. Since neither player is projected to be available at No. 9, Monroe went at it alone in Utah.

    On Sunday the Jazz brought in Gordon Hayward, Luke Babbitt, Xavier Henry and Al-Farouq Aminu for a head-to-head workout of the four best swingmen in Utah's draft range.

    The Jazz don't have any other high-profile workouts scheduled. Glean from that what you will, but I think it's safe to say that those are the five prospects the Jazz are considering at No. 9. Monroe fits a big need if Carlos Boozer leaves this summer. Henry, Babbitt, Hayward and Aminu all fit a void left by Kyle Korver hitting free agency.

    From the sound of things, Monroe is still atop the Jazz's list. But it seems like Babbitt is strongly in the running too. The Jazz have been higher on Babbitt than most all year. The rest of the league is playing catch-up to what Utah was saying in January.

    The interest in Indy
    Picking right behind the Jazz are the Pacers at No. 10. The Pacers also got to work early last week and had virtually every player they'll be considering in for workouts. On June 1 they brought in Daniel Orton, Ekpe Udoh, Hassan Whiteside, Lance Stephenson and Derrick Caracter. The next day, they watched Avery Bradley, Eric Bledsoe, Sherron Collins, Willie Warren and Jordan Crawford.

    Much like the Jazz, I think you're looking at the key players the Pacers will be considering at 10. If they go big, Orton, Udoh and Whiteside are the three guys they'll likely consider. Obviously Ed Davis or Monroe would be in the picture too if they were to fall, but neither player is expected to be there at No. 10.


    If the Pacers go with a guard, it most likely will be Bradley or Bledsoe. While 10 may be a bit high for both players, point guard is the Pacers' biggest need and both players have sufficient upside.

    Other prospects like Collins, Warren, Crawford, Stephenson and Caracter would be in the mix for the Pacers' pick at No. 40.

    It's too early to say which way the Pacers are leaning. Of the bigs, Udoh seems like the safest choice, but Orton and Whiteside have more upside. As far as point guards go, I think Bradley has the edge over Bledsoe at the moment.


    Knee knocks
    Last week I reported that there were no medical red flags coming out of the physicals at the draft combine. A week later, after each team's medical staff has had a chance to look at the results, it the top prospects still appear to be clear.

    However, a few teams have privately expressed some concerns about Orton's left knee. While the issue hasn't risen to the point that a team would seriously consider not drafting him, there are worries that his knee is still weak and may have some structural issues.

    Orton tore cartilage in his left knee in November of 2008 and ended up missing his senior year of high school. This past February, Kentucky head coach John Calipari noted to the media that he felt like Orton was still hobbled by the knee -- though Orton, at the time, claimed it was 100 percent.

    While the teams that had the information stressed that the concerns have not scared them away from drafting him, they do muddy the waters a bit when you factor Orton's sparse playing time last year and that he lacks the production of other big men in the draft.

    The other player with injury questions swirling around him is Memphis guard Elliot Williams. Williams suffered a minor knee injury after a workout with the Spurs and skipped the combine. He hasn't really been heard from since. Several NBA teams say that he has turned down multiple workouts.

    There are two possible interpretations. One is that Williams' injury is worse than he's letting on and he can't work out. The second is that a team somewhere in the first round has promised to pick him and he is sitting out the workout process. Of the two, the second scenario seems more likely. Williams has been working out in L.A. for the past few weeks and I'm told through sources that he's fine.

    So where is the promise? The Memphis Commercial Appeal speculates that San Antonio might be the culprit because he's worked out there. The Spurs do have a history of making such promises and the 20th pick isn't out of Williams' range. I'd also pay close attention to the Memphis Grizzlies. After passing on Memphis guard Tyreke Evans last year, they may have decided that they're better off taking a hometown kid with one of their three first-round picks this year.

    There's no place like home
    Finally, this year's international crop is looking weaker and weaker by the day. Forward Donatas Motiejunas withdrew from the draft on Friday. Motiejunas was the only international player in the draft that projected as a potential lottery pick.

    Last week we got more news that Kevin Seraphin (currently the only international player we have in the first round) had injured his knee and would be out the next few weeks. His agent, Bouna Ndiaye, insists that Seraphin hasn't withdrawn from the draft, but if the injury is serious enough, he may have no choice. Ndiaye told me he's looking for a first-round promise for Seraphin. If the right team commits, he'll stay. If no one does, he'll pull out of the draft.

    If Seraphin withdraws we could be facing the first year without an international player in the first round since 1995.

    If a player or two creeps in, keep an eye on two prospects -- Tibor Pleiss and Miroslav Raduljica. There are five teams with two or more first-round picks. Someone's going to want to stash one of these guys overseas.

    Pleiss is a 7-footer from Germany. He's a hustle player who gets things done on the defensive end, despite lacking strength and offensive polish at the moment. While he's still a year or two away from being an impact player in the NBA, he's a nice developmental pick.

    Raduljica is the other guy that could get some love. The Serbian big man posted solid numbers in the Adriatic league this year and he has the size and strength to make it in the NBA. Raduljica didn't endear himself to several NBA executives when he bailed at the last minute on a workout at the Eurocamp. However, I'm told by a source inside the camp that a team representative may have convinced Raduljica to shut down the workout. That could be a sign that a team already has him locked up late in the first.
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    First I heard about George Hill. Would/should we offer the 10th pick for him?
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    Default Re: Chad Ford> Trade Winds starting to Swirl

    This doesn't say anything about the new Pacers. Chad Ford is a tool. He just listed every player the Pacers brought into work out as the possible 10th pick. I'm surprised he didn't end with "Larry Bird has his eyes fixed on Hayward at the draft combine, could be the 10th pick".

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    Default Re: Chad Ford> Trade Winds starting to Swirl

    I think Chad is pretty connected to the NBA "sources"

    I think the Pacers finally realize they literally have to do something this year to make a splash, or risk attendance and interest will drop even lower than now.

    Bottom line I dont think they can selll us the same group of players, coaches etc.

    We just aren't buying it
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    I don't care how bad this draft is, if we waste a top-10 pick on a 3ppg/3rpg backup I will most definitely PFFL.
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    I would take on Brand's contract if that meant we would get back Turner. If Bird was willing to take on Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts, I dont see why he wouldnt take on Brand's
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    Evan Turner rumors....go away before you disappoint me.

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    I would take on Brand's contract if that meant we would get back Turner. If Bird was willing to take on Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts, I dont see why he wouldnt take on Brand's
    yea i think brand and turner are better than anything we can get in 2011

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    I don't see how we could outbid the Wolves for #2.

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    Would #10 and #57 to the Thunder for #21, #26, and #51 be worth it?

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    The Collison and Okafor trade is the only thing i'm interested in anymore.

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    Would #10 and #57 to the Thunder for #21, #26, and #51 be worth it?
    I don't think so, especially if we're potentially getting MN or Memphis's higher picks. The idea it seems is that we trade down so that we can still safely get either Bradley or Bledsoe, but also get more depth later in the draft. #10 seems high for Bradley or Bledsoe at this point in time.

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    This doesn't say anything about the new Pacers. Chad Ford is a tool. He just listed every player the Pacers brought into work out as the possible 10th pick. I'm surprised he didn't end with "Larry Bird has his eyes fixed on Hayward at the draft combine, could be the 10th pick".
    Would you rather he publish a sensationalist article like "LARRY BIRDZ IS DRAFTING UDOOOOOHHH!!!1!!1!"

    He gave us some decent info and didn't speculate on who we would draft since he doesn't know yet, probably because Larry Bird doesn't know yet either. The guy's a reporter, not omniscient.

    PS Put me down for Brand and Turner as well, as long as we're only giving up expirings.

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    Would you rather he publish a sensationalist article like "LARRY BIRDZ IS DRAFTING UDOOOOOHHH!!!1!!1!"

    He gave us some decent info and didn't speculate on who we would draft since he doesn't know yet, probably because Larry Bird doesn't know yet either. The guy's a reporter, not omniscient.

    PS Put me down for Brand and Turner as well, as long as we're only giving up expirings.
    I understand your position but all Chad Ford did here was report exactly what Mike Wells wrote about last week. Thats not exactly reporting. I'd be surprised if he even spoke to anybody at the organization.

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    Would #10 and #57 to the Thunder for #21, #26, and #51 be worth it?
    Ya, I think so too. A big group of guys I like at 21 & 26, almost as much as #10, actually. Unless someone falls to #10 that has no business falling. I'd take guys like Dominique Jones and Lawal at 21 & 26 and never look back, even if Bledsoe or Bradley didn't fall there. If somehow you could get Paul George at 21, you're in business.

    Plus you'd still have 40, there's a bunch of potential good picks there too. I love the depth of this draft in the 20s and 30s, the more I study it. Like Brackins or Armon Johnson or Booker.

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    I don't see how we could outbid the Wolves for #2.
    We could offer the 76ers straight cap space with our expirers
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    First I heard about George Hill. Would/should we offer the 10th pick for him?
    That's what I took away as well.

    I love that he's a local kid, but how good is George Hill?

    Is he worth 10 spots in the draft (#20 + Hill for #10 + filler)?

    Is he as good as Jarrett Jack at his current contract (who may be available)?

    Is he better than Avery Bradley might be?

    So many questions....

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    The Collison and Okafor trade is the only thing i'm interested in anymore.
    Is this a rumor from a reliable source? I haven't seen it anywhere other than on this site.

    And if it is something that's really been discussed, the only way I think we should consider taking that monstrosity of a contract back is if Paul comes along, not Collison.

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    I don't see how we could outbid the Wolves for #2.

    If the Sixers are interested in clearing cap space we could.

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    That's what I took away as well.

    I love that he's a local kid, but how good is George Hill?

    Is he worth 10 spots in the draft (#20 + Hill for #10 + filler)?

    Is he as good as Jarrett Jack at his current contract (who may be available)?

    Is he better than Avery Bradley might be?

    So many questions....
    Perhaps the Spurs are pissed off that Hill couldn't stay infront of old man Steve Nash.

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    yea, if we're giving up expirings, I like Brand and #2, Turner could be just what this team needs in terms of publicity.

    Still opens up problems at the point though.

    Pop loves Hill, we'd have an easier time getting Parker.

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    i'd love the brand/turner deal...i'd love the collison okafor deal...i would not love to just sit idle and draft a guy like whiteside or bledsoe at #10. if we stay at #10 we need to draft bpa regardless of position.

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    If the Sixers are interested in clearing cap space we could.
    Pretty sure the wolves can beat us here as well. We can only offer expirings to give salary relief for next year, where the wolves can absorb contracts without sending any back, giving immediate salary relief.

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    I think the Pacers finally realize they literally have to do something this year to make a splash, or risk attendance and interest will drop even lower than now.

    Bottom line I dont think they can selll us the same group of players, coaches etc.

    We just aren't buying it
    Honestly, I'd like to believe that the FO will finally do something.....but maybe because my hopes have been dashed on the rocks of optimism for the last 3 seasons, I'm half-expecting the standard "We were so close to making the playoffs but fell short due to injuries to key Players in the Frontcourt, so we think we should roll the dice again with the same key Players that we've ESSENTIALLY had ( Dunleavy/Granger/BRush/Murphy/Hibbert/TJ ) for the last 2 seasons" response from Bird after the Draft.
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    If the Sixers are interested in clearing cap space we could.
    If the Sixers are simply interested in clearing Cap space....which I doubt they will only be asking for....the TWolves ( assuming that they are willing to take on Brand ) can make a much better offer then our Expiring Contract offer.....they're under the 2010-2011 Salary Cap ( so all they'll send is a TPE ) and have multiple Picks to offer.

    The only aspect of this scenario is that the Pacers can possibly "trump" others with is the willingness to take on Brand's overpaid Contract....which many Teams may balk at. IMHO....I'm on the fence leaning towards "Turner's not worth it" when it comes to taking on Brand just to get the #2 pick. I get the sense that Turner would be a good "Robin" to Granger's "Batman"...if we have to take on Brand's contract just to get the #2 pick....I'd be hoping for a Franchise level Player....which I don't think that Turner is.

    or what wage said......
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    I think there is no way in hell Larry takes on a huge contract in addition to getting a good player. No way Brand or Okafor is even in a discussion. Bird has said as much recently. I think we can realistically take any deal with them off the table.

    But the question is this. What would we have to do to get the #2 or Collison without taking on one of those big contracts? We would almost certainly have to give up either Hibbert + the 10 and possibly future picks, Granger, or Rush + the 10 and future picks.
    I think a guy like EvanT is special, and I would seriously think about those options.

    Granger for the #2... it is something similar to what we have done before (JBender), which didn't really work out so well... but this time it might. As much as I love Danny, this team is going nowhere and I am all for shaking things up.

    Anyway, I am pretty excited about the rumors, but also not expecting much to happen.

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