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To be fair, I actually think that this last trade deadline that TPTB really did try to make something happen....but simply fell short.
Unfortunately, I'm used to disappointment since we've dropped from the playoff scene....so this is nothing new to any of us.
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LOL .. That would be a negative.. better yet .. a NO .. lol
If that group of Cavalier players cannot get out of the 2nd round , WITH LEBRON!!
Why would I want them here..??!?!
Cause a Lebron caliber player isn't gonna be walking through the door anytime soon , barring a miracle ..
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I like that trade, so since Foster and Maynor's salary don't match, then w/o looking it up, that OKC can give a TE back which makes this trade even better. What would make Bird look like GM of the year material would be if he could finess OKC #32 pick into this deal as well.
Just more wishful trade thinking that will never materialize.
Right now I have Holiday and Patterson/Davis (Udoh and Monroe will be gone), he's HOPING to get Collison and Hans.
Collison will likely cost more than just the 10th and Hans might never play again and certainly hasn't proven anything more than players in this draft even when he does return. In fact a player drafted this year will have had MORE off-season work with his team than Hans will have.
You are taking 10-13th picks and getting one guy ranked well below that last year and a PF that would be ranked well below that this year.
You had the money for a Porsche but settled for a Jetta. Saying "hey, it's a brand new Jetta so I did just fine" is not a legit defense of that choice. You OVERSPENT, period. Even literally because trading down to get Collison last year would have meant a cheaper rookie deal on the books.
Plus this has turned into a "Collison" debate with a sidebar into Maynor.
The rumor was a trade of the pick, period. What if it's for Derek Fisher so they can "win now".
Between Collison and Maynor, you know what you are getting in Collison. He played significant minutes last year and showed he is a true starting PG. Maynor is still a gamble. Maynor was a stud in college. He made the game winning shot to knock Duke out the the NCAA's in 2007.
I would rather have Collison right now, but Maynor would come cheaper. Maynor could be just as good as Collison, but he hasn't had the opportunity to show case himself.
I'm not convinced Okafor being an offensive liability is so unworkable. It hasn't been that long since Detroit won the championship with Ben Wallace starting at center. You can say they were an elite defensive team, but adding Collison and Okafor would put the Pacers in the discussion for that status.
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Since everyone's talking about Collison, I'll throw in my two cents. I loved him at UCLA a couple years back, I really was watching him hard where we were concerned. Then, he had that horrific game against Rose and Memphis in the Tourney, just awful. While everyone knows you shouldn't judge a player on one game, it was hard not to question whether he could succeed against NBA talent after that.
I think everyone believes that game is why he didn't go pro. His senior year, he didn't really show anything he hadn't done before, and as 4 year players tend to do, fell down the board. Now, I do remember disagreeing with Seth at the party about whether he was a good pick for New Orleans (), but I can't say I saw him at all this year. Everybody seems to feel he acquitted himself quite well though, so I'd be happy if we got him.
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Figuring Tyler backing him up and you've got an offensive 4 when you need it.
With Okafor, Foster and Hansbrough ALL there, Roy will think he's died and gone to heaven.
He might be an all star in that lineup.
I like that lineup way too much.
So it can't possibly happen.
the problem with Collison is this.
He's a score first PG, was almost a ball hog. We want to put him in Jimmy's system. Anyone else see the problem here?
So obviously, if we go this route, we'll just have to get rid of Jimmy
Okafor's expensive..but he's also a double double guy with good defense and solid offense. He didn't work too well in New Orleans..but that's what he is. He's also a perfect match next to Hibbert. Which is even more important. Still..expensive..
He and Hibbert at the same time would simply allow the opposing defense to pack the lane and make the team easier to defend. Again, there's a reason the teams he's been on always play him as an undersized C. It's because they have a hard time offensively with him at PF.
There are two sides of a half-court set, for one thing, and for another, Roy himself can play high post when we want to get Emeka the ball on the low block.
It's not even close to a deal breaker.
I think Hibbert needs a POWER forward much more than a "stretch" forward. Okafor's good for putbacks and dunks..which is fine. That's "solid offensively" for a power forward. Plus, he provides defense and rebounding. (And I don't mean he steals other players rebounds, I mean he actually gets them himself..)
Still, he is expensive.
however, if you think Collison/Price solves the PG position, Granger the SF, Hibbert the Center, name a better PF that we could get for Okafor, and having Foster/Hans to back him up is just icing on the cake? We'd just need a shooting guard, with dahntay as backup.
Last edited by Sookie; 06-05-2010 at 03:36 PM.