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Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

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  • #91
    Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

    Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
    Collison - 18.8 ppg
    Rush - 10.1 ppg
    Granger - 24.2 ppg
    Okafor - 10.4 ppg
    Hibbert - 11.7 ppg

    That's what those 5 averaged as starters last year. That's really not too bad across the board.

    Okafor averaged 4 less ppg than Murphy. Collison averaged 10 more ppg than Watson. We'd actually be gaining scoring in the starting lineup with that trade.
    That starting five looks like a potentially elite defensive team. I also believe both Collison and Hibbert can be mid-to-high teens scorers in the league, which would make them sufficient second and third options.

    To me, that team could end up similar to our 90's teams and to the Piston teams from a few years back. No real superstars, but very solid players across the board, guys who have good attitudes, can play defense and who could grow together and develop the chemistry to become successful.

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    • #92
      Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

      A team with a starting lineup of Collison/Rush/Granger/Okafor/Hibbert could be one of the top 4 teams in the east.* Depending on who we'd trade for them, which would most likely be Murphy, Ford and a pick of some sort, we'd still have a pretty good bench as well. Dunleavy and Jones can cover the wing spots, Hans, Mcbob, Solo, and Foster covering the forwards, we'd just need a decent b/u pg like Ridnour or Livingston, and we'd be relevant again!!!


      * That statement is true IF JOB isn't coach. If he is coach, then it is totally irrelevant.
      Passion, Pride, Playoffs, Pacers

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      • #93
        Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

        I do like the look of a Hibbert/Okafor/Granger/Rush/Collison lineup on paper, but I really can't see a deal like this happening. Okafor's contract is just too toxic to take on, especially with the uncertainty of the CBA after next season. You would have to have some pretty big stones to do a deal of this nature. Personally, I'd like to see it happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

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        • #94
          Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

          I think we might be looking to trade the pick before draft night. Bird has been burned on trades not going though in the last minutes several times. The Chicago rumor last year for one.

          As for Okafor and Collison. Well, Collison is not a vet, and Okafor's contract doesn't make sense as to what the Pacers are trying to do. I don't see something like that happening at all.

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          • #95
            Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

            Okafor has also never played with a C who could really be an offensive threat, even at the level Hibbert can be. If you're getting scoring from the other four positions, you really don't mind Okafor being a 10-10-2 guy. If we kept Rush and did an Okafor-Collison trade, I think we'd probably have plenty of scoring. Collison averaged 18+ as a starter last year. If Rush and Hibbert can get you 12-15 each and Granger chips in 25, you're a pretty decent offense.
            Playing next to a center who operates in the low block means Okafor has to space the floor by being at least a somewhat proficient perimeter PF. But he's not. The air gets very thin for him once he starts moving outside of 5 feet from the basket. Opposing teams won't have to guard him if he's on the perimeter. They'll have an extra guy to pack the lane defensively. You're just much easier to guard against in that kind of situation.

            Take it from fans who have watched him. With that being said you've have strongly consider Collison/Okafor for Murphy and the #10 if N.O. offered it.

            http://www.hornetsreport.com/HRForum...ad.php?t=60562
            Last edited by d_c; 06-04-2010, 03:07 AM.

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            • #96
              Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
              BTW, if you want 100% proof that Bird is a horrible GM, just wait and see if he turns the #10 this year into a guy he easily could have drafted last year with a lower pick. That's how you continue to lose.

              The only 'proof' is in the 100-proof whiskey you are sampling.

              If Bird picks up a player that he could have gotten last year, I see it as a plus. Why? Because now the said player has played in the NBA.

              As for who he chose last year (Hansbrough), nobody expected him to be down for most of the year, so jury's still out in that case.

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              • #97
                Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                Originally posted by d_c View Post
                Playing next to a center who operates in the low block means Okafor has to space the floor by being at least a somewhat proficient perimeter PF. But he's not. The air gets very thin for him once he starts moving outside of 5 feet from the basket. Opposing teams won't have to guard him if he's on the perimeter. They'll have an extra guy to pack the lane defensively. You're just much easier to guard against in that kind of situation.

                Take it from fans who have watched him. With that being said you've have strongly consider Collison/Okafor for Murphy and the #10 if N.O. offered it.

                http://www.hornetsreport.com/HRForum...ad.php?t=60562
                Thanks for the link. Scrolling around their forum, it looks like they really like Collison and don't want to trade him unless it's for a perfect fit. They're throwing out names like Bynum and Iguodala. Good to see that the fans think that highly of him.

                I'd certainly be on board with getting him. Like I said before, I wouldn't be shocked to see us finalize a deal with Charlotte. And I liked Eric Maynor last year and I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he really thought we were going to draft him...I wonder if we would trade for him? Though he's entirely unproven so IDK what it would take. I know OKC needs some size though!

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                • #98
                  Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                  If we could get Collison some how without taking on Okafor's toxic contract then I would be all over it. To get a young PG who has shown he can play in the NBA is the best move this team could do. He has a year under his belt with leading a team and he will only be 23 this August. I would be extremely happy if we some how can get him and send away one of our crappy contracts, but I doubt that happens.

                  If there was not so much uncertainty with the CBA and the cap then I would be better with Okafor's contract.

                  Collison/Rush/Granger/Okafor/Hibbert is a starting line up that I could really get behind.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                    We keep talking about Collison, but has NO given any indication that they're willing to trade him? I haven't heard anything in that regard, but I haven't been keeping up as much over the past couple of months...

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                    • Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                      Originally posted by bphil View Post
                      We keep talking about Collison, but has NO given any indication that they're willing to trade him? I haven't heard anything in that regard, but I haven't been keeping up as much over the past couple of months...
                      I think there have been rumors, but they may be more assumptions based on the fact that he's their best young player but they have CP3 at the same spot playing 40mpg next season. So why wouldn't they capitalize while DC's value is high and get CP3 more help to "win now." They certainly can't play 2 6'0" guards together, so DC would waste away on the bench unless CP3 got hurt again.

                      So one thought could be trying to get a current good player that would help CP3, another may be using DC to get rid of Okafor or Posey's contract. Posey's is shorter and he could contribute off the bench IMO so I'd prefer that and they may prefer to trade him since he's not even a starter. I could be wrong, Okafor's contract is worse so maybe they want to rid themselves of him. But they did just get him.

                      Murphy could accomplish giving them both a good player/shooter that spaces the floor for CP3 and can pick and pop, plus ridding themselves of Okafor's contract, picking up a young kid at 10 (or Rush), and then maybe(?) being a FA player in 2011? They could lure someone (possibly) to play alongside CP3, but IDK their whole cap situation.

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                      • Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                        Originally posted by bphil View Post
                        We keep talking about Collison, but has NO given any indication that they're willing to trade him? I haven't heard anything in that regard, but I haven't been keeping up as much over the past couple of months...
                        I think you're right. Earlier in this post, someone mentioned how great it would be to get a good young point guard who is still on a rookie contract. The question is, why in the world would N.O. trade away a good young point guard who is still on a rookie contract? Who are they going to find that would be a better, cheaper back up to Chris Paul than Collison? No one!

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                        • Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                          Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                          I think you're right. Earlier in this post, someone mentioned how great it would be to get a good young point guard who is still on a rookie contract. The question is, why in the world would N.O. trade away a good young point guard who is still on a rookie contract? Who are they going to find that would be a better, cheaper back up to Chris Paul than Collison? No one!
                          Plus dont people need to ease off of declairing Collinson already to be such a stud?
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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                          • Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                            Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                            I think you're right. Earlier in this post, someone mentioned how great it would be to get a good young point guard who is still on a rookie contract. The question is, why in the world would N.O. trade away a good young point guard who is still on a rookie contract? Who are they going to find that would be a better, cheaper back up to Chris Paul than Collison? No one!
                            Well, they'll trade Collison, but for something that is significant. I mean, they're not going to trade Collison for the #10 pick just so they can draft Eric Bledsoe, LOL. There's no point in that.

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                            • Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                              A roster that looks like this makes me giddy about next season

                              PG: Collison/Price/Bradley
                              SG: Rush/DJones/Bradley
                              SF: Granger/Dunleavy/Rush
                              PF: Okafor/McRobberts/Hansbrough
                              C: Hibbert/Okafor/Foster

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                              • Re: Sources say Pacers are trying to trade the 10th pick

                                Originally posted by Trophy View Post

                                I think Bird is gonna surprise us by making some big moves this offseason.

                                I'm expecting a draft night deal involving our pick along with another trade during the summer.

                                I think we'll have 7 or 8 new faces going into next season, but these are gonna be some good players.

                                My enthusiasm is waning fast about this off season moves. I'm being to feel again that nothing much is going to happen. Maybe one of the expirings possibly will be traded... hopefully Murphy. I just keep getting the feeling that things are being positioned to make this franchise look as good as possible for a buyer in 2011. I hope it's just the summer heat making me feel this way.

                                A bunch of new faces has been the norm the last several years, so why would this year be any different?

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