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    Default 2010 NBA Finals: Los Angeles vs. Boston - update: game #7 TV ratings best since 1998 (post #748)

    The two most loved (and hated) teams in the NBA go at it for the 13th time. Hey, it's better than the two most boring...

    I still see a repeat of 2008, unless Pau Gasol can find the balls to go toe to toe with the frontline that scared him ****less 2 years ago. Rasheed Wallace only makes it worse for him.
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    Boston in 6.
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    I know a lot of you hate these two teams, but I really, really, really think this has an excellent chance of being the best NBA Finals in many years. Having two extremely experienced teams should make a great series.

    Lakers in 7 or Celtics in 6.

    OK, I'll go with C's in 6. but that is just a guess. I would love to see a great 7 game series. The NBA is due to have a great 7 game NBA Finals, they really are

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    Though he gets credit for being the most "skilled big," Pau Gasol is still as soft as he was in Memphis -- it's just that now he is on a stacked team with the best player alive. Unfortunately, while Garnett plays a more physical game, he is just as soft in the clutch. The Celtic front line is much more physical, however, than the Lakers, and while statistically a worse rebounding unit, they should be able to limit the garbage points the Lakers seem to thrive on.

    The biggest difference to me between these teams now and then is Ron Artest, despite what many of his detractors have said about him in these playoffs. I think his bulk and strength will be a great hindrance to Paul Pierce, which is something the Lakers did not have in the 2008 Finals. He has given Pierce much difficulty in the past, and that is a trend I see continuing, as Pierce relies a lot on his own physical strength in creating shots.

    If Ron Artest is the biggest difference, then Rondo's development is second. Fisher struggles mightily with athletic guards, and few are more athletic than Rondo. If Rondo stays aggressive, he should be able to pick apart Fisher at will, either creating opportunities for himself or his teammates.

    If Kobe guards Ray Allen, that in itself is a way to limit Kobe's own offensive effectiveness. At any rate, the Celtics will have a much, much better chance, either through individual effort or scheme, to contain Kobe than any other teams the Lakers have previously faced.

    As I see the Celtics neutralizing the Laker size advantage (and Kobe, to an extent), I believe (hope) they will win the series in 6 games. Their greatest weakness is their occasional offensive staleness, in which the Lakers have the necessary components to force.

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    One thing that I don't think can be overplayed is that Artest is the exact the type of defender that gives Pierce a lot of trouble.

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    I'm not sure Ron is the same defender. He seems to get by these days by picking on unsuspecting poor ballhandlers. His man to man defense isnt what it used to be.

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    I think Boston definitely has a better "team" than LA right now, but 2010 is the Kobe revenge tour. He paid Phoenix back for 06 and 07 and you can bet that he has a massive chip on his shoulder because of 2008. I'm sure game 4 where LA blew a 24 lead and game 6 where they were embarrassed are going to be on his mind a lot right now. He's going to want this more than anything in his career. If he beats Boston for his 5th ring and back to back finals MVP's then you're going to start hearing some "Kobe is a top 5 all time player" chatter.

    I'll say Lakers in 7 with Kobe having one of the most legendary performances in NBA history in game 7.
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    I'm not sure Ron is the same defender. He seems to get by these days by picking on unsuspecting poor ballhandlers. His man to man defense isnt what it used to be.

    I thought his defense on Durant was pretty darn good. If you can motivate him to shut down a specific player then he is still pretty effective. He knows Pierce's tricks and will be more motivated than ever to have a great series as he knows this is the most important event of his career.. I think he'll give PP trouble.

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    Andrew Bynum didnt play 2 years ago. His presence should make a bit of a difference when it comes to the front line of Boston. Plus its quite likely Perkins will miss a game since hes one technical away from doing so.

    And I just dont see Kobe being denied.

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    I think a lot of factors played in Durant's limited struggles. Artest was the least of them.

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    I agree with that. I think Durant's struggles were mostly a product of being a young star in his first playoff series.

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    I think Artest frustrated Durant more than about anyone else could. But yeah, there's no doubt the playoff jitters were in his head and effected his game.

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    This was the finals that I had predicted before the season began. I'm looking forward to it. I thoroughly enjoyed the series these two had in 2008, probably my favorite of the past 10 years. Now we get to see what a healthy Lakers team can do against the Celtics. I like their chances better this time around, and if Artest can play like he did against the Suns in Game 6, they'll be hard to handle. With that said, I think the Celtics determination and intensity will prevail once again. Rondo is going to be a problem for Fisher, and they'll likely put Kobe on him to adjust for that. It'll be a good chance for Ray Allen to do some damage on the offensive end. KG also has to bring it since he's going to have to deal with a bigger frontline this time around.

    The series should be entertaining. Celtics get to redeem for last year without KG, and Lakers get to redeem for losing to the Celtics in 08. Lots of excitement surrounding this one.

    My prediction: Celtics in 6.

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    Will this be the highest rated finals since Jordan retired? I'm thinking so.

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    How is this any more compelling than 2008?

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    How is this any more compelling than 2008?

    You have the past 2 NBA champions playing. It's also the second time they are playing each other, so you can start the rivalry talk. You have Kobe going for his second straight ring and revenge against the team that beat him in the finals 2 years ago. If the Lakers win this series, you're talking about top 5 all time status for Kobe. And then you have the C's going for their second ring in 3 years. One of these teams is going to have multiple recent rings when this series is over, so you're going to have some mini-dynasty talk. These are better story lines than 08, IMO. I think it's always more compelling when teams are meeting in the finals for the second time.

    Was 08 the best rated finals since MJ retired?

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    Nope. the 2001 Sixers/Lakers finals, on the strength of that spectacular game 1 that made us all think it was going to be an actual series, was the highest rated post-Jordan finals.

    Technically, 2008 was only the 5th highest rated finals of the past decade.

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    I have a feeling this series ends in 5. I don't know who wins, but this whole playoffs has stunk so bad for exciting series, the finals won't be any different.

    but I'll go with the Lakers.

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    Nope. the 2001 Sixers/Lakers finals, on the strength of that spectacular game 1 that made us all think it was going to be an actual series, was the highest rated post-Jordan finals.

    Technically, 2008 was only the 5th highest rated finals of the past decade.

    Interesting, though I guess I'm not totally surprised. In addition to the Sixers winning the first game in 01, you also had a TON of star power in that series, which is always what has fueled NBA ratings. AI was the MVP and was more popular than ever, and Shaq and Kobe were gunning for their second straight ring after sweeping the first 3 rounds of the playoffs.

    The more I think about it, this series has waaaaaaay more interesting story lines than 08. In 08 you essentially had 2 brand new teams, the big 3 Celtics and the Kobe/Gasol Lakers. All the hype going into that series was about reviving an old rivalry. There was 0 history to and between these teams. Now, there is recent history between them, a mini dynasty in the making for someone, and the potential for a player to achieve top 5 all time status. The only way it doesn't beat 08 is if it's a lopsided series from the get-go.
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    I have a feeling this series ends in 5. I don't know who wins, but this whole playoffs has stunk so bad for exciting series, the finals won't be any different.

    but I'll go with the Lakers.

    I think the fact that the playoffs have stunk so bad means that we're in now for a great finals. These are the 2 previous NBA champions playing each other, after all. Both of these teams have a tremendous amount of pride and want this second ring more than anything in the world. I'd be beyond shocked if one of them was able to beat the other in 5, but you never know I guess. I also thought we would have had far more great series than we've had so far.

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    So Artest will be playing for an NBA championship and JO is looking like he's closer to retiring than contributing to a championship team...

    Has Artest shaken the shackles of 'the brawl' off his image and game quicker/more thoroughly than the Pacers themselves?
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    So Artest will be playing for an NBA championship and JO is looking like he's closer to retiring than contributing to a championship team...

    Has Artest shaken the shackles of 'the brawl' off his image and game quicker/more thoroughly than the Pacers themselves?

    Yes. Artest will always be remembered for the brawl, but he will now also be remembered for hitting a shot that dictated the course of the Western Conference Finals for the Los Angeles Lakers of all teams. He followed that up with a spectacular game 6 and was a huge reason the team won tonight. That's some pretty big stuff. In the eyes of Los Angeles Laker fans, he will be far more remembered for that than the brawl, and they probably have more fans than anyone in the NBA.

    It's funny how much more "team" oriented Artest is when he's not playing with a team of fellow clowns. Then again, he knows he can't get away with anything in LA as Kobe and Phil would punt him to the curb if he pulled any silly stunts. They won the title without him last year, so he knows he needs them a bit more than they need him - though he's helping them out quite a bit right now. Here, Artest knew he could get away with anything under the sun as we were dependent on him to be a successful team on the basketball court. The Lakers could make do with Artest if they were forced to. We saw how our house of cards crumbled when he left.

    I'd say NBA life is pretty damn good for Ron Ron right now. JO meanwhile looks like he's 38 out there. If the Lakers win the title this year and Artest has big contributions in the Finals, then he'll be more remembered for his basketball than JO will. Being a valuable contributor on a Laker championship team guarantees that.

    It's funny, Artest doesn't irritate me at all right now. I was chuckling as he was draining those treys tonight.
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    I seriously don't know who to root for.

    Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest? Ugh.

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    I have no problem rooting for Artest. Wallace on the other hand.... No thanks...
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    I don't actually think Pau played poorly in the 08 finals. He put up 15 / 10 / 3 on 53% shooting. Season averages that year were 19 / 8 / 3, 53% shooting. I think Pau actually gets a bit of a mean streak when you bump him around. I think the player who was effected most by Boston's withering defense was Kobe. He just didn't play well enough for the Lakers to win.

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